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  1. #1876
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    I think Miami is preparing itself to acquire a pick and use its draft board to make a decision come draft night. The following picks are possibly obtainable in a Whiteside deal: Blazers at #24, Lakers at #25.

    I still want a deal with Mil since they need a big man that can play with other athletes like Giannis. Henson could come back to Miami since we have to sell Whiteside on $.80 on the dollar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All-In View Post
    But the thing is three point shooting isn't the only issue, and thats the problem, he just doesn't get it

    Look at the final 4, outside of having Lebron on your team look at the other starting centers: Al Horford, Clint Capela and Draymond Green....what do they have in common? They all are well versed in covering different type of pick-and-roll situations, I mean can Capela shoot threes?...Draymond Green has only made 1 three all Rockets series, both seem to be doing fine for themselves

    Whiteside shooting threes would be nice but come playoff time teams exploit your weakness and Whiteside just has too many right now.....Being able to switch is the now and future of this league and if you have a center who is a liability playing small ball thats an issue.......If Whiteside thinks all he has to do is improve his outside shot than that right there is a problem within itself
    I agree.... But the thing is, Whiteside is just mentally weak. He can switch off better then what he shows, but the effort isn't there because he isn't engaged. I remembered when he switched off on Clarkson I think, Clarkson couldn't get pass him. But Whiteside is acting like a child when he is on the court.

    He is letting Spo get to him too much.

    Quote Originally Posted by AllBall View Post
    If the coach is not asking you to do that, then STFU up and defend the paint and finish at the rim like Centers are supposed to be able to.
    This is not Whiteside mentality... Try to remember each person is different and you can';t expect them to think like you or the majority.

    Whiteside should have just asked for a trade before the Trade deadline. Because Spo obviously wasn't ever going to unitize him correctly. Even tho Spo can, he just doesn't want too.

    Quote Originally Posted by AllBall View Post
    But instead he was a ghost next to Embiid in the paint for 98% of the time.
    Whiteside is the type of player that gets energize when he is included in the game plan offensively. It's up to a coach to put their players in a position to succeed. And If Spo sees that Whiteside is playing lazy, then he should play him at all or go to Spo and get him the hell out o there. But Spo would need to show case Whiteside for at lease 20 games, so his trade value can go up, but if that had happen, then NO ONE WOULD AGREE TO TRADE WHITESIDE IN TEH FIRST PLACE; because he would be to valuable.

    I put the blame on Spo & Whiteside.

    Quote Originally Posted by AllBall View Post
    The Heat did not lose to the Sixers because Whiteside was not out there like KAT (or whoever the hell player Whiteside wants to imitate) at the 3 point line. That argument is simply ridiculous.
    lol

    No one stated in anything about the 6ers. Just posted a link of Whiteside shooting a 3 pointer and talking ****. You are off topic in this one.







    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    As a rookie Micheal Beasley averaged 13.9pts per game on .472 shooting. Do you know how many times Kobe Bryant or Tracy Mcgrady shot at that percent or better? Never in there whole careers. If Beas can be what he was when he was a rookie (he won't hell be better) then the heat are coming away with another steal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beasted86 View Post
    Bingo!

    Aside from just offense, Whiteside is nowhere near what he needs to be defensively. He's not even remotely close.

    Look at the numbers and statistics when Rudy Gobert or Draymond Green are on the floor vs when Whiteside is playing.

    Whiteside literally doesn't make the team better offensively or significantly defensively anymore. He plain sucks.

    I literally can't believe peeps think this guy is All-Star caliber and the problem is Spo. Hilarious.

    This just shows that he has let Spo gotten into his head and isn't very happy here. He is a good defender and we have all seen it. It's just that he doesn't feel involve in the game so he isn't giving pouty full effort.

    We can all see this.

    And Spo is a problem also. He's way of thought and going about how Whiteside showed act...etc

    Since Whiteside isn't doing what Spo wants, Spo is not utilizing Whiteside to his full max. This is a problem. They are both to blame.







    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    As a rookie Micheal Beasley averaged 13.9pts per game on .472 shooting. Do you know how many times Kobe Bryant or Tracy Mcgrady shot at that percent or better? Never in there whole careers. If Beas can be what he was when he was a rookie (he won't hell be better) then the heat are coming away with another steal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dade County View Post
    This just shows that he has let Spo gotten into his head and isn't very happy here. He is a good defender and we have all seen it. It's just that he doesn't feel involve in the game so he isn't giving pouty full effort.

    We can all see this.

    And Spo is a problem also. He's way of thought and going about how Whiteside showed act...etc

    Since Whiteside isn't doing what Spo wants, Spo is not utilizing Whiteside to his full max. This is a problem. They are both to blame.
    I do agree that there is blame on both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandsOnTheWheel View Post
    This team typically doesn't do well with drafting/picks. Doubt Mickey wants to spend on a pick either
    I don't understand this stigma the Heat and their fans have about draft picks. The Heat are actually one of the better draft picking teams in the league given their track record. It's just that we have so few picks because Riley traded them all away for Shaq (a 1st), Bron (FIVE! future picks), Bosh (2 first rounders) and Dragic (2 first rounders) etc.

    Wow, we drafted Michael Beasley with the 2nd. Everyone wanted Rose, we took Beez because he was the all around consensus 2 pick. Maybe it hurts because 2008 had so many very good and solid players come out of it. Namely OJ Mayo, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love and a handful of other solid/ok players who had better careers than Beasley. Get over it, one bad pick.

    You go all the way back starting from the year 2000, with picks in the top 15, when you're supposed to draft someone solid that will contribute at the very least. Say hello to Caron Butler (all-star), Wade (HOF'er), Beasley (miss), Winslow (still only 22 after missing a whole year to injury and looked great in the playoffs vs PHI) and Adebayo (rookie with promise). So Butler and Wade, well done. Beasley, sucked. Winslow and Adebayo way too early to tell but they both show tons of promise and should be built around. You go back the last 5 years we've only had 4 freakin' picks. Shabazz Napier (24 - traded our 26th and two 2nd rounders), Josh Richardson (40) , Justise Winslow (10) and Bam Adebayo (14). Those are bad picks? Shabazz is developing into a very solid 6th man and played great for Portland as Lillard's backup and sick defense. Josh Richardson got votes for 2nd team NBA defense and is probably our best two way player. Winslow plays great defense and affects the game in multiple ways and shows growth. I know everyone likes Adebayo. So where is this "heat can't draft anyway" BS keep coming from. Beasley was 10 years ago. Get over it. Maybe if Riley stopped being a damn effin' stubborn grandpa and trading away all of our picks we'd have more ammo and young players to build around. I guarantee you if we had more picks, we wouldn't have matched that awful TJ contract because we could've replaced him.

    Now we're stuck in purgatory for the next 2 years unless Riley pulls an ace out from his behind.
    BRUH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dade County View Post
    This is not Whiteside mentality... Try to remember each person is different and you can';t expect them to think like you or the majority.
    When your a pro on a max contract you get held to a higher standard. Doesn't matter if that's not his mentality, he needs to adjust. And he's not talented enough to command the coaching staff to bend to his will. He may think he's the man, but he's not.

    Whiteside should have just asked for a trade before the Trade deadline. Because Spo obviously wasn't ever going to unitize him correctly. Even tho Spo can, he just doesn't want too.
    As I recall, the issue was that they brought him back too early from injury before the trade deadline.

    Whiteside is the type of player that gets energize when he is included in the game plan offensively. It's up to a coach to put their players in a position to succeed. And If Spo sees that Whiteside is playing lazy, then he should play him at all or go to Spo and get him the hell out o there. But Spo would need to show case Whiteside for at lease 20 games, so his trade value can go up, but if that had happen, then NO ONE WOULD AGREE TO TRADE WHITESIDE IN TEH FIRST PLACE; because he would be to valuable.

    I put the blame on Spo & Whiteside.
    Well I hope we can fool some other team into thinking that.

    No one stated in anything about the 6ers. Just posted a link of Whiteside shooting a 3 pointer and talking ****. You are off topic in this one.
    It's Whiteside's argument, not yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRizzle View Post
    I guarantee you if we had more picks, we wouldn't have matched that awful TJ contract because we could've replaced him.
    Let the record show that it was Micky who didn't want to let go of TJ. He didn't want another team "poaching" their players is what he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllBall View Post
    When your a pro on a max contract you get held to a higher standard. Doesn't matter if that's not his mentality, he needs to adjust. And he's not talented enough to command the coaching staff to bend to his will. He may think he's the man, but he's not.
    True... But thats not what is happening, correct?


    Quote Originally Posted by AllBall View Post
    As I recall, the issue was that they brought him back too early from injury before the trade deadline.

    Well I hope we can fool some other team into thinking that.
    I am hoping/betting on Thibs. Reason why, he is a defensive minded coach and he has seen first hand what Whiteside can do when he is engaged.

    KAT & Wiggens have been reported in trade scenarios with the Miami HEAT.

    Of course we HEAT fans would want KAT.

    Whiteside, Winslow, J Rich, Dragon. 3 defensive guys and a pg. Of course Minny Owner would veto this but Thibs mindset would be aiming for something like this.

    Pat would want a 3rd team involve so we don't take in any bad contracts...etc

    Quote Originally Posted by AllBall View Post
    It's Whiteside's argument, not yours.
    Ok...
    Last edited by Dade County; 05-24-2018 at 05:29 PM.







    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    As a rookie Micheal Beasley averaged 13.9pts per game on .472 shooting. Do you know how many times Kobe Bryant or Tracy Mcgrady shot at that percent or better? Never in there whole careers. If Beas can be what he was when he was a rookie (he won't hell be better) then the heat are coming away with another steal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRizzle View Post
    I don't understand this stigma the Heat and their fans have about draft picks. The Heat are actually one of the better draft picking teams in the league given their track record. It's just that we have so few picks because Riley traded them all away for Shaq (a 1st), Bron (FIVE! future picks), Bosh (2 first rounders) and Dragic (2 first rounders) etc.

    Wow, we drafted Michael Beasley with the 2nd. Everyone wanted Rose, we took Beez because he was the all around consensus 2 pick. Maybe it hurts because 2008 had so many very good and solid players come out of it. Namely OJ Mayo, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love and a handful of other solid/ok players who had better careers than Beasley. Get over it, one bad pick.

    You go all the way back starting from the year 2000, with picks in the top 15, when you're supposed to draft someone solid that will contribute at the very least. Say hello to Caron Butler (all-star), Wade (HOF'er), Beasley (miss), Winslow (still only 22 after missing a whole year to injury and looked great in the playoffs vs PHI) and Adebayo (rookie with promise). So Butler and Wade, well done. Beasley, sucked. Winslow and Adebayo way too early to tell but they both show tons of promise and should be built around. You go back the last 5 years we've only had 4 freakin' picks. Shabazz Napier (24 - traded our 26th and two 2nd rounders), Josh Richardson (40) , Justise Winslow (10) and Bam Adebayo (14). Those are bad picks? Shabazz is developing into a very solid 6th man and played great for Portland as Lillard's backup and sick defense. Josh Richardson got votes for 2nd team NBA defense and is probably our best two way player. Winslow plays great defense and affects the game in multiple ways and shows growth. I know everyone likes Adebayo. So where is this "heat can't draft anyway" BS keep coming from. Beasley was 10 years ago. Get over it. Maybe if Riley stopped being a damn effin' stubborn grandpa and trading away all of our picks we'd have more ammo and young players to build around. I guarantee you if we had more picks, we wouldn't have matched that awful TJ contract because we could've replaced him.

    Now we're stuck in purgatory for the next 2 years unless Riley pulls an ace out from his behind.
    I worded it wrong, more like we don't handle picks well as far as trading them all and never having them when draft night rolls around. Still can't believe we matched that TJ contract. You literally never match a poison pill contract, TJ was definitely someone who we did not have to keep either. Super replaceable and never was starting guard material

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandsOnTheWheel View Post
    I worded it wrong, more like we don't handle picks well as far as trading them all and never having them when draft night rolls around. Still can't believe we matched that TJ contract. You literally never match a poison pill contract, TJ was definitely someone who we did not have to keep either. Super replaceable and never was starting guard material
    Agreed.

    From interviews afterwards, TJ said he threw up a couple times hearing the offer sheet and rushed to sign without basically giving Miami a chance to work with him on a team friendly structure.


    He essentially knew he wasn't worth what he was signing and didn't want to give NJ a chance to reconsider.

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    I feel Miami is really not very conducive to the draft development of star players. They are a little too structured and disciplined.

    I know as an outsider I'm probably talking out of ignorance, but they seem to be good enough to develop guys to a respectable baseline that yields "role players" but bad enough that they cannot build guys to that next level of "star" because of the tight leash they put on everyone.

    Their shooting program also doesn't seem to be working. I understand it's only been 2.25 seasons with Winslow but he should be better if they are as intensive and as invested as they should be with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beasted86 View Post
    I feel Miami is really not very conducive to the draft development of star players. They are a little too structured and disciplined.

    I know as an outsider I'm probably talking out of ignorance, but they seem to be good enough to develop guys to a respectable baseline that yields "role players" but bad enough that they cannot build guys to that next level of "star" because of the tight leash they put on everyone.

    Their shooting program also doesn't seem to be working. I understand it's only been 2.25 seasons with Winslow but he should be better if they are as intensive and as invested as they should be with him.
    It's possible they feel all these 1-and-done players are too raw and focus on development so much for that reason? Would explain their preference college players who've gone through a senior year?

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    Could the Wizards want to move John Wall? How desperately? Can the HEAT trade for him for less than we think he's worth, because of his exploding contract?

    John Wall contract:

    2019: $19 million

    2020: $37 million

    2021: $40 million

    2022: $43 million

    When you take into consideration that exploding contract, could Dragic & Whiteside for John Wall & Mahinmi (bad contract, but less than Whiteside) be enough for the Wizards? Or at least close to enough; maybe add a filler or a future draft pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expert327 View Post
    Could the Wizards want to move John Wall? How desperately? Can the HEAT trade for him for less than we think he's worth, because of his exploding contract?

    John Wall contract:

    2019: $19 million

    2020: $37 million

    2021: $40 million

    2022: $43 million

    When you take into consideration that exploding contract, could Dragic & Whiteside for John Wall & Mahinmi (bad contract, but less than Whiteside) be enough for the Wizards? Or at least close to enough; maybe add a filler or a future draft pick.
    Meh. All these East All-Stars I'm losing respect for over the years. Maybe Kemba Walker gets a pass because you could at least say he never had a good team around him in Charlotte. But Wall has no excuse. Same bucket as Paul George and Derozan and Lowrie. Would like to fish out West, but that's just me dreaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Expert327 View Post
    Could the Wizards want to move John Wall? How desperately? Can the HEAT trade for him for less than we think he's worth, because of his exploding contract?

    John Wall contract:

    2019: $19 million

    2020: $37 million

    2021: $40 million

    2022: $43 million

    When you take into consideration that exploding contract, could Dragic & Whiteside for John Wall & Mahinmi (bad contract, but less than Whiteside) be enough for the Wizards? Or at least close to enough; maybe add a filler or a future draft pick.
    That's a helluva contract. Not a huge fan of his style either plus he's always injured. I would much rather go after a guy like Mccollum who's a lot cheaper, younger, and in a bad situation on the Blazers. Guy has crazy shooting range and could be a star on a team apart from Lillard

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