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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Is pointing that out politicizing it? Is criticizing him for lying and saying our 15 cases are going to go down to 0 politicizing it? Is criticizing him tweeting on March 9th that Democrats have overblown the severity politicizing it?

    Can we not talk about what Trump did right or wrong?
    if you can't see the fact that this has been used for a political agenda then that is the problem.








    Quote Originally Posted by debo View Post
    Trump would have ignored it for two months anyway.
    it's not like Trump took action in January. oh wait.



    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/10/w...han-death.html

    Published Jan. 10, 2020
    Updated Jan. 21, 2020
    The coronavirus, which surfaced in the city of Wuhan, has put the region on alert, but there is no evidence that it can spread among humans.

    World Health Organization (WHO) in January said this wasn't contagious among humans.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    if you can't see the fact that this has been used for a political agenda then that is the problem.










    it's not like Trump took action in January. oh wait.



    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/10/w...han-death.html





    World Health Organization (WHO) in January said this wasn't contagious among humans.

    In eight days it will vanish when the calendar hits april, thank god.

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...sponse-office/

    No, the White House didn’t ‘dissolve’ its pandemic response office. I was there.
    President Trump gets his share of criticism — some warranted, much not. But recently the president’s critics have chosen curious ground to question his response to the coronavirus outbreak since it began spreading from Wuhan, China, in December.

    It has been alleged by multiple officials of the Obama administration, including in The Post, that the president and his then-national security adviser, John Bolton, “dissolved the office” at the White House in charge of pandemic preparedness. Because I led the very directorate assigned that mission, the counterproliferation and biodefense office, for a year and then handed it off to another official who still holds the post, I know the charge is specious.

    Now, I’m not naive. This is Washington. It’s an election year. Officials out of power want back into power after November. But the middle of a worldwide health emergency is not the time to be making tendentious accusations.

    When I joined the National Security Council staff in 2018, I inherited a strong and skilled staff in the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate. This team of national experts together drafted the National Biodefense Strategy of 2018 and an accompanying national security presidential memorandum to implement it; an executive order to modernize influenza vaccines; and coordinated the United States’ response to the Ebola epidemic in Congo, which was ultimately defeated in 2020.

    It is true that the Trump administration has seen fit to shrink the NSC staff. But the bloat that occurred under the previous administration clearly needed a correction. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, congressional oversight committees and members of the Obama administration itself all agreed the NSC was too large and too operationally focused (a departure from its traditional role coordinating executive branch activity). As The Post reported in 2015, from the Clinton administration to the Obama administration’s second term, the NSC’s staff “had quadrupled in size, to nearly 400 people.” That is why Trump began streamlining the NSC staff in 2017.

    One such move at the NSC was to create the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate, which was the result of consolidating three directorates into one, given the obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense. It is this reorganization that critics have misconstrued or intentionally misrepresented. If anything, the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled.

    The reduction of force in the NSC has continued since I departed the White House. But it has left the biodefense staff unaffected — perhaps a recognition of the importance of that mission to the president, who, after all, in 2018 issued a presidential memorandum to finally create real accountability in the federal government’s expansive biodefense system.

    The NSC is really the only place in government where there is a staff that ensures the commander in chief gets all the options he needs to make a decision, and then makes sure that decision is actually implemented. I worry that further reductions at the NSC could impair its capabilities, but the current staffing level is fully up to the job.

    You might ask: Why does all this matter? Won’t it just be a historical footnote?

    It matters because when people play politics in the middle of a crisis, we are all less safe.

    We are less safe because public servants are distracted when they are dragged into politics.

    We’re less safe because the American people have been recklessly scared into doubting the competence of their government to help keep them safe, secure and healthy.

    And we’re less safe because when we’re focused on political gamesmanship, we’re not paying enough attention to the real issues. For example, we should be united behind ensuring that, in a future congressional appropriations package, U.S. companies are encouraged to return to our shores from China the production of everything from medical face masks and personal protective equipment to vitamin C and penicillin.

    And we should be united in demanding to know why the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) was aware of the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan early in December, maybe even November, and didn’t tell the rest of the world, when stopping the deadly spread might have been possible.

    The Opinions section is looking for stories of how the coronavirus has affected people of all walks of life. Write to us.

    Just as the United States has fought against fake information aimed at our elections, we should fight back against CCP propagandists. They are not only campaigning against the use of the term “Wuhan virus” (a more geographically accurate description than “Spanish flu” ever was about the 1918 pandemic) but now also promoting the false claim that covid-19 was created by the U.S. Army. Public health officials have pinpointed a wild-animal market in Wuhan as the outbreak’s origin.

    There are real threats emanating from this pandemic. We need to focus on getting our response right and save the finger-pointing for what comes after. This is the United States — we will get through this. And for the love of God, wash your hands.
    now is not the time for politics, but this is what is happening.


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    "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.”

    -JFK


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    Dr. Anthony S Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and just about the only official in the Trump administration trusted to tell the truth about the coronavirus, said last Thursday: “The system...is not really geared to what we need right now … It is a failing, let’s admit it.”

    Let’s go further and admit the real dirty little secret: the system would be failing even under a halfway competent president. It will soon become apparent, if it hasn’t already, is that there is no real public health system in the United States.

    Instead of a public health system, we have a patchwork system that basically responds to the needs of individuals rather than the needs of the public as a whole. In America right now, the word “public” – as in public health, public education or public welfare – means a sum total of individual needs, not the common good.

    Contrast this with America’s financial system. The Federal Reserve is concerned with the health of financial markets as a whole. At the first signs that the markets would shudder, the Fed a week ago made $1.5 trillion available to banks. No one batted an eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter_White View Post
    This is such an old joke that it's applying for Social Security. And it's really never been funny.
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    the delays of the courts needs to end at some point.
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    And if people got **** counsel, well they had to die so the court could move faster…but tell me again how pro-life you are!
    I was told there would be pro-life! Not pro-death!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    This is such an old joke that it's applying for Social Security. And it's really never been funny.
    Someone's grumpy this morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    This is such an old joke that it's applying for Social Security. And it's really never been funny.
    Now there's something we can agree on. Trump jokes are generally the lowest of hanging fruit. Simple, low effort "comedy".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crovash View Post
    Dr. Anthony S Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and just about the only official in the Trump administration trusted to tell the truth about the coronavirus, said last Thursday: “The system...is not really geared to what we need right now … It is a failing, let’s admit it.”

    Let’s go further and admit the real dirty little secret: the system would be failing even under a halfway competent president. It will soon become apparent, if it hasn’t already, is that there is no real public health system in the United States.

    Instead of a public health system, we have a patchwork system that basically responds to the needs of individuals rather than the needs of the public as a whole. In America right now, the word “public” – as in public health, public education or public welfare – means a sum total of individual needs, not the common good.

    Contrast this with America’s financial system. The Federal Reserve is concerned with the health of financial markets as a whole. At the first signs that the markets would shudder, the Fed a week ago made $1.5 trillion available to banks. No one batted an eye.
    Interesting. I strongly agree, you can see right now a ship.with no one there to see it. Even third world countries have better responses than this. This is a true embarrassment

    I was talking to my boy, hes a doctor he in New York, was saying the same exact ****. His hospital told workers to use bandanas when they run out of masks, lmao, no bull!



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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Now there's something we can agree on. Trump jokes are generally the lowest of hanging fruit. Simple, low effort "comedy".
    Ehh they weren't really funny when they were making fun of Clinton or Bush. I never saw the joke about Obama because I guess that despite people's differences with Obama, they never saw him as an idiot.

    But it just gets old seeing the same chain joke still floating around since the start of email.
    Quote Originally Posted by brett05 View Post
    the delays of the courts needs to end at some point.
    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    And if people got **** counsel, well they had to die so the court could move faster…but tell me again how pro-life you are!
    I was told there would be pro-life! Not pro-death!
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    I've never really been a fan of any political humor but you have to admit that the market is completely over saturated with Trump jokes.

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    https://www.thehour.com/opinion/arti...s-15150393.php

    Hopefully nobody shows Trump this or Fauci will be fired lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    if you can't see the fact that this has been used for a political agenda then that is the problem.
    You did not answer my questions:

    Are we allowed to criticize Trump’s handling of the virus?

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    If fast food workers are forced to go to work and considered essential, can someone explain to me why they don’t deserve $15/hr?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    If fast food workers are forced to go to work and considered essential, can someone explain to me why they don’t deserve $15/hr?
    They should just be grateful they have jobs, that's why.


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