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    Climate Change

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ation-climate/

    Rick Perry calls for ‘intellectual conversation’ on climate change
    During an hourlong press conference at the White House Tuesday, Energy Secretary Rick Perry called for an “intellectual conversation” on climate change, arguing that the issue has become far too political and divisive.

    Mr. Perry, the former Texas governor and two-time presidential candidate, acknowledged man’s impact on the climate but also rejected the idea that the science is completely settled on the matter.

    “The climate is changing. Man is having an impact on it. I’ve said that time after time — the idea that we can’t have an intellectual conversation about just what are the actual impacts?” he said. “Why not have a conversation about that? What is the other side, the people who say the science is settled, it’s done? If you don’t believe that, you’re a skeptic … I don’t buy that. This is America. Have a conversation. Let’s come out of the shadows of hiding behind your political statements and let’s talk bout it. What’s wrong with that? I can be convinced, but why not let’s talk about it?”

    Mr. Perry also said he has not spoken with President Trump — who has referred to climate change as a “hoax” — about the issue and could not say whether the president believes the climate is changing, or if man is having an impact.

    The secretary’s appearance at the White House Tuesday coincided with the administration’s “Energy Week,” in which officials focus on American energy production, innovation, and technological advances in clean coal technology, oil drilling and renewable energy.
    talk about climate change.
    I've posted different links (in the 100 days thread) and nobody bothered to reply.
    Quote Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men View Post
    Either care about all of it like a decent human being or shut the **** up and stop selective outrage based on whether it serves your political purposes.

    a person is smart. people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals.
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    Fortunately for mankind scientists have been having an intellectual conversation on climate change for the past 40 years.

    I'm just glad all those who were denying climate change at all have finally hedged their bets and switched to believing it is happening, even if they're stubbornly trying to say man has little to no impact on it.

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    the issue with the Paris climate accord was about the deal and not just rejecting climate change. it was the opinion that it was bad for America.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ican-jobs.html

    Vice President Mike Pence praised President Trump's decision to withdraw from the Paris climate accord, telling Fox News' "Hannity" Thursday that the president was "fighting for American jobs."

    Pence spoke to Fox News' Sean Hannity hours after Trump announced the U.S. was "getting out" of the deal, which the president described as "very unfair at the highest level to the United States."

    Pence described the 2015 agreement "a bad deal from the moment it was signed by the [Obama] administration."

    "This is an agreement that puts an enormous burden on American consumers [and] on the American economy while allowing countries like India and China to virtually get off scot-free for a decade or more," Pence said.

    The vice president also noted that the agreement amounted to "an international treaty that was never submitted to the Senate, probably because it never would have had a chance there."

    Trump's decision to withdraw from the agreement was greeted with dismay by many world leaders, including French President Emmanuel Macron, who reportedly called Trump to tell the president that the deal could not be renegotiated.

    However, Pence insisted that the United States could re-enter the accord "under terms that will put the American economy and the American people first."

    The vice president stressed that Trump had decided to withdraw from the deal after "after listening to all sides," including European leaders who had pressed the president to stay in the agreement during Trump's foreign trip last week.

    "The president has demonstrated his commitment not just to keep his word, but to put American workers, American consumers, American energy, and the American people first," Pence said. "The American people get it ... This is a President who is fighting for the American people, fighting for American jobs ... America is back because they have a President in President Donald Trump who is fighting every day for them."





    the climate is changing, but is it really entirely all on what man has done?


    https://phys.org/news/2017-05-atmosp...aign=item-menu

    Atmospheric carbon dioxide causing global greening making some areas warmer and some colder
    (Phys.org)—A small team of researchers with the Directorate for Sustainable Resources in Italy and Ghent University in Belgium has found evidence that shows some parts of the planet are becoming cooler and others warmer due to an increase in localized greening. As the team notes in their paper published in the journal Science, much of the increase in greening is due to an increase of atmospheric carbon dioxide.

    In addition to causing the atmosphere to heat up in general, the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide is also causing many parts of the planet that were already green to become greener, the researchers report. That greening, they suggest, causes some regional areas to become slightly warmer and others cooler. But it is not just atmospheric carbon that is contributing to the greening. Nitrogen used in fertilizers makes its way into natural ecosystems, causing changes. The land is also changed by human activities.

    In an area that is generally warm, an increase in leaf cover can lead to localized cooling due to plant transpiration (water evaporating) which condenses in the air, the researchers report. In cooler places, the impact can be the opposite—in boreal regions (tree covered) and colder places, local temperatures can rise slightly due to less sunlight being reflected back from the surface.

    To come to these conclusions, the researchers studied satellite data for the period 1982 to 2011, which allowed them to assign a leaf area index (LAI) to various parts of the Earth's surface. In mapping the entire planet, the group found that for approximately 60 percent of all plant areas, an increase in greening has mitigated global warming by approximately 14 percent. For colder areas, greening has led to a rise in air temperatures of approximately 10 percent. They also found that the impact could be more dramatic during extreme weather conditions—by up to five times, for example, during warm and dry periods or cold and wet periods.

    The researchers suggest their findings indicate that changes to vegetation clearly have an impact on local climate, and thus should be taken into consideration as mitigation and adaptation strategies are developed to deal with a warming planet.
    Abstract
    Changes in vegetation cover associated to the observed greening may affect several biophysical processes, whose net effects on climate are unclear. Here, we analyze remotely sensed dynamics in leaf area index (LAI) and energy fluxes to explore the associated variation in local climate. We show that the increasing trend in LAI contributed to the warming of boreal zones through a reduction of surface albedo, and to an evaporation-driven cooling in arid regions. The interplay between LAI and surface biophysics is amplified up to five times under extreme warm-dry and cold-wet years. Altogether, these signals reveal that the recent dynamics in global vegetation have had relevant biophysical impacts on the local climates and should be considered in the design of local mitigation and adaptation plans.
    nobody can deny that the climate is changing, but to conclude that everything is entirely because of man is ignorant. there are many things around the planet that contribute to the climate changing.
    Quote Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men View Post
    Either care about all of it like a decent human being or shut the **** up and stop selective outrage based on whether it serves your political purposes.

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    #TrumpDerangementSyndrome
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    the issue with the Paris climate accord was about the deal and not just rejecting climate change. it was the opinion that it was bad for America.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ican-jobs.html

    the climate is changing, but is it really entirely all on what man has done?

    https://phys.org/news/2017-05-atmosp...aign=item-menu

    nobody can deny that the climate is changing, but to conclude that everything is entirely because of man is ignorant. there are many things around the planet that contribute to the climate changing.
    Saying the Paris Climate Accord is bad for America is a very ignorant take to have, under the provision of the accord each country sets their own standards for CO2 reduction. So we were free to choose literally any standards for reduction we wanted. If you are free to choose your entire policy and you complain it's bad for us, it's because of us and not the accord.

    As for the Bolded: literally no reputable scientist is saying that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Not a lot of jobs in an underwater world unless we can all grow gills in the next 100 years.
    OK Al Gore. were we not supposed to be under water by now?



    I have never said or believed climate change was a complete hoax. obvious the climate is changing, and has been changing through earth's entire existence. there are parts of the earth right now that are deserts that used to be the bottom of oceans.
    I believe there are factors other than humans that have been a factor in climate change.
    how can anyone say science is "settled" as if nobody needs to do anymore research we are all done with research and have our conclusion. science should continue to research and gather information.


    I don't know where to find this information. there was a show on TV about satellite images called "What on Earth?". they had one show where there was somewhere covered by a lot of white. it turned out to be something like white tarps on top of greenhouses (I think). whatever this mass amount of white was, because it was such a large area of white it was reflecting the sun's rays back up and this part of the earth was actually cooling down.
    Quote Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men View Post
    Either care about all of it like a decent human being or shut the **** up and stop selective outrage based on whether it serves your political purposes.

    a person is smart. people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals.
    #TrumpDerangementSyndrome
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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Saying the Paris Climate Accord is bad for America is a very ignorant take to have, under the provision of the accord each country sets their own standards for CO2 reduction. So we were free to choose literally any standards for reduction we wanted. If you are free to choose your entire policy and you complain it's bad for us, it's because of us and not the accord.

    As for the Bolded: literally no reputable scientist is saying that.
    So, in your opinion the Paris Accord is not bad for America, just what American self-imposed. Therefore, since the self-imposed restrictions are bad for America, it must follow that Obama was bad for America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyi View Post
    So, in your opinion the Paris Accord is not bad for America, just what American self-imposed. Therefore, since the self-imposed restrictions are bad for America, it must follow that Obama was bad for America.
    Nowhere did I say I was of the belief the restrictions we self-imposed were bad for America. If you think Obama's restrictions were bad for America, I'm pointing out the stupidity of finding fault in an agreement where we as a country are free to impose our own restrictions by blaming the agreement for the restrictions we self-imposed.

    Rather than pulling out of the agreement, Trump could have re-negotiated or submitted different, less stringent restrictions he was acceptable with.

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    Climate change is real

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    I really want Rick Perry to focus his attention more on the state of our nuclear system, as is more the job of the Energy Secretary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CADNYTA View Post
    I'm just glad all those who were denying climate change at all have finally hedged their bets and switched to believing it is happening, even if they're stubbornly trying to say man has little to no impact on it.
    There are still some saying that.

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    Not a lot of jobs in an underwater world unless we can all grow gills in the next 100 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Not a lot of jobs in an underwater world unless we can all grow gills in the next 100 years.
    Kevin Costner will be safe

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    But I guess biologists will be in high demand. Someone will have to catalog all the creatures going extinct thanks to climate change.

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    The thought of Rick Perry and an "intellectual conversation" about anything is highly amusing.

    He blamed climate change on "ocean waters". Enough said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    OK Al Gore. were we not supposed to be under water by now?
    According to the properly vetted and documented scientific findings, no....No we weren't.

    Next question.
    Last edited by Timmmahhh; 06-29-2017 at 09:46 AM.

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