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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.B View Post
    What are your thoughts on trading DSJ? His age is the main thing that makes me hesitate however we see young really talented guys fail to reach their potential all the time in the NBA. Andrew Wiggins is a prime example. If a trade is proposed that would bring back a borderline star (Beal for example) would you consider it? If not Beal the some other mid-late 20s borderline star that fits the Mavs.
    There are a lot of things to consider when talking about DSJ
    For starter, I think lately he has been able to fit the team more, less bad shots, better passing , better understanding to his role and understanding it is basically Luka's team (and probably Barnes after)
    His shooting has improved too.

    Age is important factor, he fits Luka's timeline and to some extent Barnes too (if he is retained)
    I don't like Luka as a PG, in the sense of Ben Simmons, but more of one like Lebron,Giannis. The main ball handler but there is a PG around him

    I think DSJ will be good starting PG, but very unlikely to be All Star one. And we might need an All start player beside Luka if we want to be more than a play-off team.
    Another potential downside for him is money, if DSJ think he is max contract in summer 2020 without being an All Star we might be in a Noel type of situation soon, but a bit too early for this

    So the question is what can we get for him? I think the market for PG isn't good, there are plenty of them in them in this league and no team will give you anything significant as we hop for DSJ.
    That is why I am hesitant to trade him, may be in the draft if there is a player we are really high onto we might make an offer using DSJ (like Spurs in 2011, or what could have been with Roddy B in 2010) but during the season it is very unlikely we get value back.
    I hear a lot of Jackson (suns) for DSJ, or Isaac for him, but I would take DSJ over those guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Pharouh View Post
    There are a lot of things to consider when talking about DSJ
    For starter, I think lately he has been able to fit the team more, less bad shots, better passing , better understanding to his role and understanding it is basically Luka's team (and probably Barnes after)
    His shooting has improved too.

    Age is important factor, he fits Luka's timeline and to some extent Barnes too (if he is retained)
    I don't like Luka as a PG, in the sense of Ben Simmons, but more of one like Lebron,Giannis. The main ball handler but there is a PG around him

    I think DSJ will be good starting PG, but very unlikely to be All Star one. And we might need an All start player beside Luka if we want to be more than a play-off team.
    Another potential downside for him is money, if DSJ think he is max contract in summer 2020 without being an All Star we might be in a Noel type of situation soon, but a bit too early for this

    So the question is what can we get for him? I think the market for PG isn't good, there are plenty of them in them in this league and no team will give you anything significant as we hop for DSJ.
    That is why I am hesitant to trade him, may be in the draft if there is a player we are really high onto we might make an offer using DSJ (like Spurs in 2011, or what could have been with Roddy B in 2010) but during the season it is very unlikely we get value back.
    I hear a lot of Jackson (suns) for DSJ, or Isaac for him, but I would take DSJ over those guys
    Yea I would take DSJ over them for sure. If San Antonio continues to fall further and Further out of the playoff picture I wonder if they would prefer to blow it up at the trade deadline. Would they make DeRozen available? Would they be willing to deal him for a package of DSJ/Wes (young player + cap space)? The Mavs could then move JJ or Brunson to the starting lineup in order to keep two ball handlers on the court at all times. That would be a huge long shot especially considering theyre in the same division but with the way the Spurs season is going its not completely a crazy idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.B View Post
    Yea I would take DSJ over them for sure. If San Antonio continues to fall further and Further out of the playoff picture I wonder if they would prefer to blow it up at the trade deadline. Would they make DeRozen available? Would they be willing to deal him for a package of DSJ/Wes (young player + cap space)? The Mavs could then move JJ or Brunson to the starting lineup in order to keep two ball handlers on the court at all times. That would be a huge long shot especially considering theyre in the same division but with the way the Spurs season is going its not completely a crazy idea.
    This actually an interesting idea, in general I prefer more youth players but Demar is such interesting player for me that I would do it if SAS are interested.

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    Great game from the rookies, Luka 11-0 run was something else, but Jalen proving he is worth his place here

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    Luka could have had a triple/double tonight but the Mavs were killing Orlando so they decided to rest him. Cant fault them for that. Brunson also had another good night as the starting PG. I think eventually Brunson will end up being the starting PG on this team with Dennis coming off the bench in a Jason Terry or Monte Ellis type role. Once Dennis figures out that he needs to (and can) be a scorer. Or, I could see a scenario where Dennis is used as a trade chip to bring in a missing piece.

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    Rumors are floating around we are testing the waters for DSJ, interesting

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    Yea the Mavs front office is denying the rumors but where theres smoke theres usually fire. Initially I didnt think they would be open to trading him because of his age and how hes started to play well before his injury. Its going to be interesting to see what his value is. I think theyll be more interested in a young player as opposed to a draft pick.

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    Reading many forums and suggestions here is my thoughts:

    1-Dallas is just keeping an open mind, they don't want to repeat same mistake they did with Roddy B when they passed on Pacer's pick in 2010 saying Roddy B is untouchable. But they aren't exactly shopping DSJ

    2-There isn't really any clue what Mavs are looking for, which makes it hard to suggest trades.

    3-On the other hand,in a league filled with PG, there aren't so many trade partners: Orlando,Chicago,Phoenix,Knicks seem like teams in immediate need for PG, Pacers and Miami have old PG and might need one soon, Charlotte, Milwaukee are wild cards due to free agency situation.

    So here are ideas of each team:

    Orlando: They have Isaac who has been a bust so far, they have Bamba who has been probably the worst top 10 pick in this year draft and they a mid 1st round pick or late lotto (could be anywhere from 6 to 15) but honestly I won't be intrigued by any of those alone, would want at least 2 of them. Bamba physical tools means he will likely end up a decent starting C in RC system so he would be the one I want most. Also many Orlando fans would like a sway with AG so that is another option.

    Chicago: WCJ intrigues me the most,Lauri is obviously off the table, same for their pick. Nothing else we would be interested at

    Suns: they will offer us JJ and we would be stupid to accept, Bridges will be fine but not sure if they will give him in a trade.

    Knicks: again, lots of pieces but likely to result in a trade, Frank is inferior (far inferior) and has high salary for his level, Mitchel is interesting as part of trade same for Allonzo Trier, would want 2 of those 3. Knox is great but they are very high on him and won't trade him

    Indiana: if they have any interest in cashing on Sabonis we should jump on that, highly unlikely

    Miami,Milwaukee,Charlotte : Not sure what we can have interest from their roster

    That doesn't take into account the possibility of 3rd team in trade but those trades are rare anyway.
    I think we will stay put this year and if he is moved it will be next off-season
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Pharouh View Post
    Reading many forums and suggestions here is my thoughts:

    1-Dallas is just keeping an open mind, they don't want to repeat same mistake they did with Roddy B when they passed on Pacer's pick in 2010 saying Roddy B is untouchable. But they aren't exactly shopping DSJ

    2-There isn't really any clue what Mavs are looking for, which makes it hard to suggest trades.

    3-On the other hand,in a league filled with PG, there aren't so many trade partners: Orlando,Chicago,Phoenix,Knicks seem like teams in immediate need for PG, Pacers and Miami have old PG and might need one soon, Charlotte, Milwaukee are wild cards due to free agency situation.

    So here are ideas of each team:

    Orlando: They have Isaac who has been a bust so far, they have Bamba who has been probably the worst top 10 pick in this year draft and they a mid 1st round pick or late lotto (could be anywhere from 6 to 15) but honestly I won't be intrigued by any of those alone, would want at least 2 of them. Bamba physical tools means he will likely end up a decent starting C in RC system so he would be the one I want most. Also many Orlando fans would like a sway with AG so that is another option.

    Chicago: WCJ intrigues me the most,Lauri is obviously off the table, same for their pick. Nothing else we would be interested at

    Suns: they will offer us JJ and we would be stupid to accept, Bridges will be fine but not sure if they will give him in a trade.

    Knicks: again, lots of pieces but likely to result in a trade, Frank is inferior (far inferior) and has high salary for his level, Mitchel is interesting as part of trade same for Allonzo Trier, would want 2 of those 3. Knox is great but they are very high on him and won't trade him

    Indiana: if they have any interest in cashing on Sabonis we should jump on that, highly unlikely

    Miami,Milwaukee,Charlotte : Not sure what we can have interest from their roster

    That doesn't take into account the possibility of 3rd team in trade but those trades are rare anyway.
    I think we will stay put this year and if he is moved it will be next off-season
    I know the Mavs had major interest in WCJ. I find it hard to imagine that Chicago would give up on him already though. Same goes with Bamba in Orlando. The Magic do have a crowded front court though and they are in the most need of a PG. if they are going to trade one of their young front court players I would think it would be Isaac. If Im he Mavs Id really like to see if theyd be interested in a DSJ/Matthews for Isaac/Vucevic trade. The trade wouldnt add really any salary for either team since Vucevic is also expiring.

    I wouldnt really have any interest in Jackson or Ntilikina.

    I do agree though that the Mavs are not out openly shopping Dennis. They would be dumb though not to listen to any offers. If a deal comes along that makes sense then make the trade however there is no need to make a trade just to make a trade.

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    Happy new year folks

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    Happy New Year!

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    DSJ rumors are heating up, seem like decisive week for Mavs future if true.
    Hope we do a good trade, but not that optimistic

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Pharouh View Post
    DSJ rumors are heating up, seem like decisive week for Mavs future if true.
    Hope we do a good trade, but not that optimistic
    Definitely has been a crazy week in Mavs land regarding DSJ. From my perspective it seems like Dennis is a player that has always been the alpha on his team and is for the first time in his life being asked to play second fiddle to Luka. Hes not handling it well. Carlisle mentioned that it may be a case of Dennis having people in his ear telling him to stay away from the team. The speculation has been that its his agent giving him bad advice. Then yesterday on the radio a Mavs insider was saying the team also believes that his dad is the one telling him to stay away from the team. Either way hes only hurting himself and has pretty much guaranteed that hes NOT getting traded. His value is too low now for the Mavs to be able to trade him.

    The best bet is to bring him back, work on their relationship and DSJ continue to work on his game. Hes not going to unseat Luka as the primary ball handler. Regardless of what he thinks about himself, Luka is better. If Dennis is hell bent on being the primary ball handler while hes on the court he should consider asking to come off the bench and filling the role Barea had at leading the second unit. He could rebuild his stock and then a trade can be re-explores in the off season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.B View Post
    Definitely has been a crazy week in Mavs land regarding DSJ. From my perspective it seems like Dennis is a player that has always been the alpha on his team and is for the first time in his life being asked to play second fiddle to Luka. Hes not handling it well. Carlisle mentioned that it may be a case of Dennis having people in his ear telling him to stay away from the team. The speculation has been that its his agent giving him bad advice. Then yesterday on the radio a Mavs insider was saying the team also believes that his dad is the one telling him to stay away from the team. Either way hes only hurting himself and has pretty much guaranteed that hes NOT getting traded. His value is too low now for the Mavs to be able to trade him.

    The best bet is to bring him back, work on their relationship and DSJ continue to work on his game. Hes not going to unseat Luka as the primary ball handler. Regardless of what he thinks about himself, Luka is better. If Dennis is hell bent on being the primary ball handler while hes on the court he should consider asking to come off the bench and filling the role Barea had at leading the second unit. He could rebuild his stock and then a trade can be re-explores in the off season.
    Most of those have been coming from Mavs side, which seem to be trying to control the narrative of the whole thing.
    We know Mavs were shopping him month ago, we know Mavs were shopping him and had serious talks when he was injured, then he reported to be sick and suddenly RC and some Dallas sources says he is getting AWOL and suddenly RC saying what he is saying and every one assuming it is true.
    I am just not buying this, the Mavs seems to be shopping him and relationship seemed to be broken because of that.
    DSJ tried to alter his game to play beside Luka, and sure he wasn't quit successful at it but he is still young and it isn't like they have been playing years together.
    He has every right to be upset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Pharouh View Post
    Most of those have been coming from Mavs side, which seem to be trying to control the narrative of the whole thing.
    We know Mavs were shopping him month ago, we know Mavs were shopping him and had serious talks when he was injured, then he reported to be sick and suddenly RC and some Dallas sources says he is getting AWOL and suddenly RC saying what he is saying and every one assuming it is true.
    I am just not buying this, the Mavs seems to be shopping him and relationship seemed to be broken because of that.
    DSJ tried to alter his game to play beside Luka, and sure he wasn't quit successful at it but he is still young and it isn't like they have been playing years together.
    He has every right to be upset.
    Today some specific trade proposals came out. Some that the Mavs wanted and were turned down and some that were lowball offers for Dennis. Based on what was reported Im glad the Mavs did not settle for any of the lowball offers.

    Their best bet is to wait for the draft. The has very few PGs that are predicted to go in the lottery (Ive heard maybe 1). There are about 10 teams though that will be looking to add a PG. If Dennis plays week the entire second half of the season his value will be high come draft time.

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