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    Luka looked good yesterday too.
    Right now it seems:
    1-His playmaking is as good as advertised, despite not having the chance to show it a lot.
    2-He is a scorer too, always have been. though I doubt he will be 25+ scorer in his career
    3-He still has ton of development ahead of him, mid range and 3PT will need further improved, will need to use post up more. need to learn to finish in traffic too.
    4-He need to tighten up his handle in order to be able to attack more, and cut his turn overs.

    DJ is huge addition here,Webeeg.
    Still don't feel it for DSJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Pharouh View Post
    Luka looked good yesterday too.
    Right now it seems:
    1-His playmaking is as good as advertised, despite not having the chance to show it a lot.
    2-He is a scorer too, always have been. though I doubt he will be 25+ scorer in his career
    3-He still has ton of development ahead of him, mid range and 3PT will need further improved, will need to use post up more. need to learn to finish in traffic too.
    4-He need to tighten up his handle in order to be able to attack more, and cut his turn overs.

    DJ is huge addition here,Webeeg.
    Still don't feel it for DSJ
    Iím seeing pretty much the same things. Luka definitely needs to tighten up his handle. Once he develops a strong back to the basket game heís going to be very deadly.

    I also have not been impressed with Dennis at all. He doesnít seem to have the ďitĒ factor that you can already see in Luka. Dennis is still really young though. He doesnít have to be Kyrie Irving but he does have to be a lot better than heís shown.

    Deandre is a beast. Iím really impressed with the leadership skills heís showing. Of course his actual game isnít bad either.

    Iím really anxious to see how this team looks at full strength when Barnes and Dirk are back. I really think they should consider having Wes come off the bench and starting:

    Dennis/DFS/Barnes/Luka/Deandre

    The bench has been really strong this year and will only get better with Dirk and Wes added to that mix. I also really like how JJ/Powell/Kleber are playing together. We havenít really even seen Mejri yet either.

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    Great game by Luka against Spurs, him and DSJ are developing some chemistry too

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Pharouh View Post
    Great game by Luka against Spurs, him and DSJ are developing some chemistry too
    Man, if Dennis has only hit that last free throw. Overall theyíre still a really young team and are likely going to lose a lot of games like this at the end. Theyíre just going to have to learn how to close games out. Not too different than those early Finley/Nash/Dirk teams had to learn.

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    We will need to either get rid of Dennis at some point or he will need to be subordinate to Luka in terms of ball in hand. In order to be successful Luka is going to need the bring the ball up the court more and initiate the action. I think Smith Jr. is not a good fit on this team. Over-dribbles, not a great shooter and will take away from the greatness of Luka. Smith would be a good 6th man on an actual good team. Comes in and provides some quick firepower. Luka needs the ball!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zookman65 View Post
    We will need to either get rid of Dennis at some point or he will need to be subordinate to Luka in terms of ball in hand. In order to be successful Luka is going to need the bring the ball up the court more and initiate the action. I think Smith Jr. is not a good fit on this team. Over-dribbles, not a great shooter and will take away from the greatness of Luka. Smith would be a good 6th man on an actual good team. Comes in and provides some quick firepower. Luka needs the ball!
    There is not need to panic and overreact. I believe the guys just need to get used to playing together. They need to figure out their roles. Is Dennis better suited coming off the bench? Is Luke better off as a playmaker/scorer or is he better as a distributor? Should DFS be starting? Should Brunson be starting? These are all things that are going to take time to figure out. Theyíve only played 8 games together. Couple that with the young age of most of the core of this team. Theyíre going to really struggle.

    I believe they will look a lot better after the All Star break. They will likely be so far out of the playoff picture (for the 8th seed at best) that DJ and Wes could be flipped for young players and/or draft picks. Mavs may have to take on bad contracts in order to take on young players/picks.

    My main point is though that this team just needs time to figure out who they are, what their identity is.

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    I see both arguments with DSJ
    I didn't like him during his college year , during draft and was upset we drafted him and thought he was overrated last year. And in all honesty I don't believe in trying to build a team around a PG unless he is a generational type of talent like Curry or pre-injury Rose

    But the truth is Luka need another PG with him, in RM he excelled while playing beside one of Europ top PG in past decades (LLull) and it is the best for him not be the team PG, he isn't Simmons and we shouldn't try to mold him into him.
    DSJ fit that category, and tbh he is the one who gives Luka most passes, unlike DJ & Wes for example. I think he is gradually understanding how great Luka is.
    Luka is also integrated well in the team with him, sure there are times when we feel like we ignore him, but same thing was said about Dirk and Jet and people said there were times Dirk was ignored. This is just RC offense and Luka always had the chance to thrive late in the game and be given the ball.. He is growing into his role.

    DSJ has the talent, improved shot this year over last year which is encouraging.
    Is he a future fit for Luka? it is 50/50 at the moment but we need to figure it out before moving DSJ. because right now his value isn't as good as people think


    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.B View Post
    They will likely be so far out of the playoff picture (for the 8th seed at best) that DJ and Wes could be flipped for young players and/or draft picks. Mavs may have to take on bad contracts in order to take on young players/picks.
    When was the last time the Mavs traded for a 1st round pick? Not talking about moving up or down in the draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Pharouh View Post
    I see both arguments with DSJ
    I didn't like him during his college year , during draft and was upset we drafted him and thought he was overrated last year. And in all honesty I don't believe in trying to build a team around a PG unless he is a generational type of talent like Curry or pre-injury Rose

    But the truth is Luka need another PG with him, in RM he excelled while playing beside one of Europ top PG in past decades (LLull) and it is the best for him not be the team PG, he isn't Simmons and we shouldn't try to mold him into him.
    DSJ fit that category, and tbh he is the one who gives Luka most passes, unlike DJ & Wes for example. I think he is gradually understanding how great Luka is.
    Luka is also integrated well in the team with him, sure there are times when we feel like we ignore him, but same thing was said about Dirk and Jet and people said there were times Dirk was ignored. This is just RC offense and Luka always had the chance to thrive late in the game and be given the ball.. He is growing into his role.

    DSJ has the talent, improved shot this year over last year which is encouraging.
    Is he a future fit for Luka? it is 50/50 at the moment but we need to figure it out before moving DSJ. because right now his value isn't as good as people think




    When was the last time the Mavs traded for a 1st round pick? Not talking about moving up or down in the draft.
    I donít know that they ever have traded for a 1st round pick. I donít think they have. Usually they have preferred to trade for players (JET, Stackhouse, and Nash for example). Iím just saying that it could be an option if a playoff team is looking to add a dominant rebounder and/or solid SG to come off their bench. Both have expiring contracts so ideally they should have value on the trade block. I could see the Mavs making the trade if there is a team looking to dump a young player with a large contract that has under performed. Or is there a chance they could get involved as a 3rd team to help facilitate a Jimmy Butler trade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.B View Post
    I donít know that they ever have traded for a 1st round pick. I donít think they have. Usually they have preferred to trade for players (JET, Stackhouse, and Nash for example). Iím just saying that it could be an option if a playoff team is looking to add a dominant rebounder and/or solid SG to come off their bench. Both have expiring contracts so ideally they should have value on the trade block. I could see the Mavs making the trade if there is a team looking to dump a young player with a large contract that has under performed. Or is there a chance they could get involved as a 3rd team to help facilitate a Jimmy Butler trade?
    I actually checked it, we bought pick from Memphis in 2010 draft (Dominique Jones) but it is more of buying than really trading for a pick. before it? 2004 NBA draft.
    I agree with what you are saying, it is just that I doubt the Mavs have same mindset. I think there is bigger chance we go after a veteran player via trade than young one, which would be sad

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    We can definitely forget about being involved in any Jimmy Butler trade since he got traded today to the Sixers.

    Based on their history it is more likely they would prefer to trade for a veteran player. I donstill think there are some fairly young vets that could be a available though. If the Wizards are tanking by the trade deadline would they be looking to try and dump Otto Porterís massive contract? I remember the Mavs did have an interest in him before he signed that deal. Could the Knicks be looking to dump Hardaway for Wes in order to clear some cap room to make a run at KD? Any interest in Love or Tristan Thompson from Cleveland?

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    6-4 in past 10 games. Young guys are starting to win games more.
    DFS is turning into one of my favorites

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Pharouh View Post
    6-4 in past 10 games. Young guys are starting to win games more.
    DFS is turning into one of my favorites
    I really hope they trade Wes so that DFS can be in the starting lineup for the entire second half of the season. Heís developing into a true 3/D threat. Dude hustles his *** off!

    Dirk is expected to be back in December too. Iím going to love seeing Dirk back out there but hate that it will likely cost Kleber some minutes. Heís also been ballin his *** off. The Mavs have one of the better second units in the NBA and adding Dirk to that unit should only make it stronger though.

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    Iím wondering if the Mavs should consider being open to trading Deandre. I know they would like to see him be the starting center for the long term but in spite of the good things he does like rebounding and much improved free throw shooting his defense has actually been pretty bad. His age also doesnít really fit the timeline of a rebuild. With his expiring contract ($22.8 mil) and Wesí expiring contract ($18.6 mil) the Mavs have over $40 mil in cap space available for trade.

    Would a team like the Wizards be willing to give up Bradley Beal if the Mavs were also willing to take on a couple of bad contracts? The Wizards would be able to start the tanking process while also clearing a ton of money off their books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.B View Post
    I really hope they trade Wes so that DFS can be in the starting lineup for the entire second half of the season. Heís developing into a true 3/D threat. Dude hustles his *** off!

    Dirk is expected to be back in December too. Iím going to love seeing Dirk back out there but hate that it will likely cost Kleber some minutes. Heís also been ballin his *** off. The Mavs have one of the better second units in the NBA and adding Dirk to that unit should only make it stronger though.
    The bench is doing fine when Barea is doing fine, but I think more depth is needed and Dirk should provide that.
    I like Maxi a lot, but until he shoots 35% or more in offense he is a bit liability unlike DFS who is shooting over 40% despite taking many half court buzzer beater
    Dirk should help in that regard especially on the road.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.B View Post
    Iím wondering if the Mavs should consider being open to trading Deandre. I know they would like to see him be the starting center for the long term but in spite of the good things he does like rebounding and much improved free throw shooting his defense has actually been pretty bad. His age also doesnít really fit the timeline of a rebuild. With his expiring contract ($22.8 mil) and Wesí expiring contract ($18.6 mil) the Mavs have over $40 mil in cap space available for trade.

    Would a team like the Wizards be willing to give up Bradley Beal if the Mavs were also willing to take on a couple of bad contracts? The Wizards would be able to start the tanking process while also clearing a ton of money off their books.
    Half of the league have expiring contract which limits its value, I think Mavs will stick a bit with plan powder unless a good opportunity present itself
    Wizards would want a young player for beal, and not a PG since they likely will retain Wall
    I hope we can find a way to improve and have more long term pieces, but I would at least hope we can get a young reclamation project like Fultz or bender

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Pharouh View Post
    The bench is doing fine when Barea is doing fine, but I think more depth is needed and Dirk should provide that.
    I like Maxi a lot, but until he shoots 35% or more in offense he is a bit liability unlike DFS who is shooting over 40% despite taking many half court buzzer beater
    Dirk should help in that regard especially on the road.




    Half of the league have expiring contract which limits its value, I think Mavs will stick a bit with plan powder unless a good opportunity present itself
    Wizards would want a young player for beal, and not a PG since they likely will retain Wall
    I hope we can find a way to improve and have more long term pieces, but I would at least hope we can get a young reclamation project like Fultz or bender
    True, Dirkís offense is going to far outweigh anything Kleber can give the team however the same holds true for Kleberís defense. Kleber provides far more on defense than Dirk will ever be able to give at this point in his career. Kleber has a knack for just being able to get in peopleís way. Not too much different than how Najera used to muck things up.

    What are your thoughts on trading DSJ? His age is the main thing that makes me hesitate however we see young really talented guys fail to reach their potential all the time in the NBA. Andrew Wiggins is a prime example. If a trade is proposed that would bring back a borderline star (Beal for example) would you consider it? If not Beal the some other mid-late 20ís borderline star that fits the Mavs.

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