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View Poll Results: Is Kawhi Leonard The Greatest '3D' Player of All Time?

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    Kawhi Leonard: The Greatest '3D' Player of All Time?

    If we were to consider every current/retired NBA player's ability to shoot the 3 and defend at an elite level, where would you rank Kawhi Leonard?

    Extra Credit: Who are your top 10 (or 5 if you're lazy) greatest 3D players of all time? Consider the volume in which they scored as well.

    [I meant to include a poll. Could a mod do that for me please? ]
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    Did you just want a Yes/No/Other poll?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdspurman View Post
    Did you just want a Yes/No/Other poll?
    Yes. And a ban for anyone who votes no... jk kinda :P
    2015 Bull's Mock Trade Game Championship Team

    San Antonio Spurs

    PG: Chris Paul | Patty Mills | Jose Calderon
    SG: Khris Middleton | J.J. Redick | Iman Shumpert
    SF: DeMarre Carroll | P.J. Tucker | Anthony Morrow
    PF: Tim Duncan | Carlos Boozer | Kyle O'Quinn
    C : Al Horford | Rudy Gobert

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    Every human being is 3D unless you get flattened by a Wade poster dunk.

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    Leonard
    Pippen
    LeBron
    Havlicek
    Debusschere

    those come to mind

    If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrum187 View Post
    Yes. And a ban for anyone who votes no... jk kinda :P
    Haha .. all done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    Leonard
    Pippen
    LeBron
    Havlicek
    Debusschere

    those come to mind
    Lebron as a 3 point shooter? Always seemed more streaky than a legit 3 point threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdspurman View Post
    Lebron as a 3 point shooter? Always seemed more streaky than a legit 3 point threat.
    yea I read it all wrong.

    There are really only 2 answers. Leonard and Durant. Bird I guess? What other SF's were great in both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    yea I read it all wrong.

    There are really only 2 answers. Leonard and Durant. Bird I guess? What other SF's were great in both?
    2 that played for us come to mind in Bowen/Danny Green (i think his defense gets slept on a lot)

    Bird is good imo .. Pip/MJ/Glove had good 3 point shooting seasons but probably not consistent enough?

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    So real quick I looked up all players who are top 250 in career 3PT% but have also made an All-Defensive 1st team.

    Bruce Bowen - 39% | 5 All-D 1st
    Chris Paul - 37% | 6 All-D 1st
    Joe Dumars - 38% | 4 All-D 1st
    Paul George - 37% | 1 All-D 1st
    Serge Ibaka - 36% | 3 All-D 1st
    Kawhi Leonard - 38% | 2 All-D 1st
    Raja Bell - 40% | 1 All-D 1st
    Avery Bradley - 36% | 1 All-D 1st

    Honorable mention to Jerry West who made 4 All-D 1st teams and was undoubtedly among the best shooters ever. The following players also made an All-D 2nd team and were in the top 250 3PT% shooters all-time:

    John Stockton
    Larry Bird
    Tayshaun Prince
    Eddie Jones
    Shane Battier
    Chauncey Billups
    Dan Majerle
    Clifford Robinson
    Patrick Beverly


    Also, Michael Cooper had a close 3PT% (34%) and made several All-D 1st teams.
    Last edited by valade16; 05-05-2017 at 05:44 PM.

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    I'm assuming we're just ignoring every other attribute a player offers and rating them solely on defense and three-point shooting, right? Because at this point, Kawhi is obviously so much more than that, but I get what you're saying.

    I went back and looked at the top 50 players by three-pointers made. Here are the ones who also made at least one All Defensive Team:

    Shane Battier
    Mookie Blaylock
    Dan Majerle
    LeBron James
    Eddie Jones
    Kobe Bryant
    Jason Kidd

    However, this skews really heavily towards modern players who took more three-pointers. I'm drawing the line at a career percentage of 35.8% because that is currently league average. Therefore, LeBron, Blaylock, Kidd and Bryant are left off, leaving us with:

    Battier
    Majerle
    Jones

    I then went in the other direction and looked at the career three-point percentages of the 48 players who made at least 4 All Defensive teams. The following made at least 35.8% of their three-pointers on an average of at least one per game (80's), or two per game (90's-00's):

    Joe Dumars
    Bruce Bown
    Chris Paul

    Finally, I went through every 40% or higher three-point shooter in NBA history. Any that made at least one All Defensive Team is listed here:

    Raja Bell

    And as I was researching, a few people came up short on just one category:

    Kawhi Leonard (All Defense, needs only one more to reach four, will likely get it this season)
    Kevin Durant (All Defense, likely to be selected at some point)
    Danny Green (All Defense, likely to be selected at some point)
    Klay Thompson (All Defense, unlikely to be selected, but I wouldn't rule it out)
    Doug Christie (Percentage was just below the line at 35.4%, but was above if you look only at his Toronto/Sacramento years which was when he played his most minutes anyway)
    Michael Cooper (Percentage was a bit lower at 34%, but that was better relative to the rest of the league at the time, and if you ignore the early years when he didn't really do it his average is basically 35%)
    Tayshaun Prince (Attempts, only 1.5 per game)

    So if we just lump all of these guys together onto one list, I think you get a pretty good idea of who the best 3-and-D guys in history are:

    Battier
    Majerle
    Jones
    Dumars
    Bowen
    CP3
    Bell
    Leonard
    Durant
    Green
    Thompson
    Christie
    Cooper
    Prince
    POOP

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    So real quick I looked up all players who are top 250 in career 3PT% but have also made an All-Defensive 1st team.

    Bruce Bowen - 39% | 5 All-D 1st
    Chris Paul - 37% | 6 All-D 1st
    Joe Dumars - 38% | 4 All-D 1st
    Paul George - 37% | 1 All-D 1st
    Serge Ibaka - 36% | 3 All-D 1st
    Kawhi Leonard - 38% | 2 All-D 1st
    Raja Bell - 40% | 1 All-D 1st
    Avery Bradley - 36% | 1 All-D 1st

    Honorable mention to Jerry West who made 4 All-D 1st teams and was undoubtedly among the best shooters ever. The following players also made an All-D 2nd team and were in the top 250 3PT% shooters all-time:

    John Stockton
    Larry Bird
    Tayshaun Prince
    Eddie Jones
    Shane Battier
    Chauncey Billups
    Dan Majerle
    Clifford Robinson
    Patrick Beverly


    Also, Michael Cooper had a close 3PT% (34%) and made several All-D 1st teams.
    Goddamn it you posted literally right after I looked in the thread and started typing. Oh well. Our methods were different enough. Combine our two lists and we're probably done.
    POOP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinnsanity View Post
    Goddamn it you posted literally right after I looked in the thread and started typing. Oh well. Our methods were different enough. Combine our two lists and we're probably done.
    Haha yep I was just reading your list. Agreed.

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    Kawhi is more than a 3&D. Poll does not make sense.

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    Actually, if we're talking about shooting 3's and defense only, Michael Cooper belongs in this discussion.

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