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  1. #16
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    Dec 2005
    Team P

    Tony Piet, 2B (1931-1933)
    Tony Pena, C (1980-1986)
    Dave Parker, RF (1973-1983)*
    Gregory Polanco, CF (2014-Present)*
    Jose Pagan, 3B (1965-1972)
    Alex Presley, LF (2010-2013)*
    Steve Pearce, 1B (2007-2011)
    Freddie Patek, SS (1968-1970)

    Notes: An interesting group up and down the lineup. There isn't a true center fielder in there but Polanco or Presley should be able to handle the position well enough. Pena and Parker are legitimate big names to headline the lineup. The weakest spot is easily 1B where Steve Pearce got the nod but as some of us probably remember he wasn't all that good with the Pirates and is here more from a lack of alternatives than anything else. Pagan may be the starting 3B but he gives the team a versatile player who can play 2B, SS and the OF.

    C: Jim Pagliaroni (1963-1967)
    C/1B: Babe Phelps (1942)*
    2B: Dick Padden (1896-1898)
    IF: Al Pedrique (1987-1988)
    OF: Xavier Paul (2011)*

    Notes:I don't make the decision to carry three catchers easily but here I felt it was the best route. Phelps never played anywhere but catcher with the Pirates but did have some experience at 1B in the OF from his days before he joined the Pirates and his role here is going to be top bat off the bench and backup 1B so he'll have to get reacquainted with the position. Pagliaroni is an excellent reserve catcher and would be a starter for a lot of other teams in the league. The rest of the bench is far less interesting though perfectly reasonable options.

    Total PA: 19,027 (Parker and Pena combine for 8,358 PA)
    * Denotes left handed hitter

    #1: Deacon Phillippe (1900-1911)
    #2: Elmer Ponder (1917, 1919-1921)
    #3: Oliver Perez (2003-2006)*
    #4: Bob Purkey (1954-1957, 1966)
    #5: Jesse Petty (1929-1930)*

    Notes: Phillippe is a strong #1 for Team P and the rest of the rotation while lacking a standout pitcher is solid 2 through 5. With three of the starters pitching primarily before 1930 it does trend a little too much on the early day side for my liking but Perez and Purkey does prevent it from going too heavily that direction. Purkey was more of a swingman than a starter but he was a good one so I have no worries about putting him in the rotation.

    CL: Bob Patterson (1986-1987, 1989-1992)*
    SU: Dan Plesac (1995-1996)*
    SU: Bob Porterfield (1958-1959)

    P: Howie Pollet (1951-1953, 1956)*
    P: Chris Peters (1996-2000)*
    P: Vicente Palacios (1987-1988, 1990-1992)
    P: Pascual Perez (1980-1981)

    Notes: Despite not having a standout reliever Team P has three very solid pitchers at the back end which should be able to close down games for them at a pretty good rate. The group isn't an exciting but it is good enough to get the job done. As far as the extra pitchers are concerned we do start leaning a little too heavily towards left handers but it is a good group. Pollet and Perez give the team some depth starting options while the other two are swingmen.

    Total IP: 5,221 (Deacon Phillippe has 2,286 IP by himself)
    *Denotes left handed pitcher

    Others: Team P has some real depth at the catcher position as 6 of the 9 players who didn't make the team who had at least 400 PA were catchers. The best of that group is probably Tom Padden from the 1930s and Ronny Paulino from the 2000s. Jack Phillips was the only competition Steve Pearce faced for the 1B job and made it a close race. John Peters is probably the biggest absence from the team as he was a very good shortstop but his performance came way back at the beginning of the franchise so I was hesitant to include him with similar good options available. On the pitching side Juan Pizarro was originally one of the extra pitchers but got knocked off because he was yet another left hander for a bullpen that already has 4. Ed Poole and Bill Powell also pushed for spots but their lack of innings combined with pitching during the dead ball era doomed their chances.

    Overall: Team P is a good middle of the road team. They have a reasonably sized pool of players but due to a lot of playing time going to catchers they have to dig a little deeper than you'd like to fill the last bullpen and bench spots. There are clear weaknesses at the bottom of the lineup, the bench and the fact they have just one standout pitcher but guys like Pena, Parker and Phillippe should keep them dangerous. I think they will struggle to crack the top half of the rankings but shouldn't be too far away from that point.
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  2. #17
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    Dec 2005
    Team R

    Jim Russell, CF (1942-1947) #
    Claude Ritchey, SS (1900-1906) #
    Gary Redus, RF (1988-1992)
    Bob Robertson, 1B (1967, 1969-1976)
    Bill Robinson, LF (1975-1982)
    Joe Randa, 3B (1997, 2006)
    Johnny Ray, 2B (1981-1987) #
    David Ross, C (2005)

    Notes: Ritchey barely played any shortstop for the Pirates but that was only because of the legend who happened to be there during his stint. He was fully capable of playing there and will do so for Team R to make room for both himself and Johnny Ray in the middle infield. The middle of the order consists of three players who spent a lot of time at 1B but two of them also spent a fair amount of time in the OF so they will move out there to get their bats in the lineup. Bill Robinson may also be asked to play the occasional game at 3B. Considering the talent stacked 1-7 David Ross probably seems like an odd choice for catcher but the options for that spot are severely limited.

    C: Dick Rand (1957)
    IF: Stan Rojek (1948-1951)
    OF: Reb Russell (1922-1923)*
    OF: R.J. Reynolds (1985-1990) #
    U: Sean Rodriguez (2015-2016)

    Total PA: 22,890 (The two catchers combine for 241 which is less than half anyone else)
    * Denotes left handed hitter
    # Denotes switch hitter

    Notes: Sean Rodriguez may seem like an odd choice but recall the point of this exercise is too build a team so his ability to hit rather well and play all over the field is quite valuable coming off the bench. Reb Russell will serve primarily as a bat off the bench while Reynolds handles the 4th outfielder duties. Rand and Rojek emerge from an underwhelming set of choices to serve as the backup catcher and shortstop respectively.

    #1: Rick Rhoden (1979-1986)
    #2: Rick Reuschel (1985-1987)
    #3: Jim Rooker (1973-1980)*
    #4: Jerry Reuss (1974-1980, 1990)*
    #5: Todd Ritchie (1999-2001)

    Notes: This is a very good rotation and probably one of the ebst in the league. Rhoden and Reushcel form a very good 1-2 punch and the rest of the arms provide quality depth. Ritchie squeaked out the 5th spot in large part due to his more modern playing time but is definitely a deserving choice.

    CL: Ricardo Rincon (1997-1998)*
    SU: Enrique Romo (1979-1982)
    SU: Jeff Robinson (1987-1989)

    P: Preacher Roe (1944-1947)*
    P: Don Robinson (1978-1987)
    P: Hank Robinson (1911-1913)*
    P: Chick Robitaille (1904-1905)

    Notes: Rincon never served as the Pirates regular closer but was an outstanding reliever for the Pirates so he'll get a chance at the role here. Romo and Robinson are a step down in terms of relievers but both were solid middle relief types who should be fine in their set up role. Preacher Roe really pushed for a rotation spot but just missed out so he'll serve as a spot starter and long reliever. The rest of the extra pitchers are all very good arms who will add good depth to the bullpen. Robitaille was the last one in and faced heavy competition for the final spot.

    Total IP: 8,131 (Four different pitchers eclipse 1,000 IP)
    *Denotes left handed pitcher

    Others: Aramis Ramirez is someone I heavily contemplated putting on the team and I still think perhaps I made a mistake not including him but the truth is he wasn't that great with the Pirates and I just can't see enough benefit from him to remove any of the bench guys. Johnny Rizzo pushed for an outfield spot and provides a nice blend of the offense Russell provides and the defense/base running Reynolds provides but the two more specialists seem to fit this team better. Pokey Reese was an outstanding defensive second baseman for the Pirates but with Ritchey and Ray there was just no room for him. On the pitching side Xavier Rescigno pushed for a set up job and the last pitching spot while Elmer Riddle also provided competition for the last extra pitcher job.

    Overall: Team R has a very solid lineup that is just a step below the very best in the league and they have a rotation which should match up fairly well with any in the league. The bench and bullpen are great strengths but are still solid and won't hurt the team much. This is definitely a team which should place in the top 10 in the final rankings and maybe even one that could slide into the top 5.
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  3. #18
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    Dec 2005
    Team S

    Jake Stenzel, CF (1892-1896)
    Freddy Sanchez, 3B (2004-2009)
    Willie Stargell, LF (1962-1982)*
    Gus Suhr, 1B (1930-1939)*
    Manny Sanguillen, C (1967, 1969-1976, 1978-1980)
    Elmer Smith, RF (1892-1897, 1901)*
    Rennie Stennett, 2B (1971-1979)
    Dick Schofield, SS (1958-1965) #

    Notes: Only Freddy Sanchez is playing a position that could be described as not his regular position and he has plenty enough time at 3B that it shouldn't be an issue. Stargell is arguably the best 1B in franchise history but spent most of his career out in the pasture and with a quality option like Suhr available he is going to stay in the pasture where the options are much more scarce. I don't like having two 19th century outfielders in the lineup but these two were some of the best players from that era and no one else really challenges them for the starting jobs.

    C: Don Slaught (1990-1995)
    1B: Dick Stuart (1958-1962)
    IF: Pop Smith (1885-1889)
    IF: Dale Sveum (1996-1997, 1999) #
    OF: Bob Skinner (1954, 1956-1963)*

    Notes: The pinch hitting duo of Stuart and Skinner is about as good as you will see in this league as both are legitimate power threats who add a nice element to the bench. The majority of the reserve infield options were like Pop Smith good players from the franchise's early days but I didn't want to take two of them so I had to reach a little bit and grab Dale Sveum. He isn't a great fit but he adds a solid switch hitting option to the bench. Sluaght is of course a top notch reserve catcher who would start for a lot of other teams.

    Total PA: 29,851 (Everyone except Sveum has at least 1,600 PA)
    * Denotes left handed hitter
    # Denotes switch hitter

    #1: Bill Swift (1932-1939)
    #2: Zane Smith (1990-1994, 1996)*
    #3: Rip Sewell (1938-1949)
    #4: John Smiley (1986-1991)*
    #5: Jason Schmidt (1996-2001)

    Notes: A nice solid rotation with a good modern feel to it. Swift and Sewell are definitely from a different era but they pitched after the dead ball era so they aren't that old school. The trio of Smith, Smiley and Schmidt of course makes this rotation have quite a modern day feel to it. The group lacks a standout ace but is filled with quality 2/3 starters from top to bottom and will be a tough matchup for any team.

    CL: Scott Sauerbeck (1999-2003)*
    SU: Rod Scurry (1980-1985)*
    SU: Manny Sarmiento (1982-1983)

    P: Nick Strincevich (1941-1942, 1944-1948)
    P: Steve Swetonic (1929-1933)
    P: Jeff Suppan (2003)
    P: Bobby Shantz (1961)*

    Notes: No top notch closer but three very good relief arms occupy the back end of Team S's pen. They should have little difficulty defending most leads. Of the extra pitchers Bobby Shantz made a strong push for one of the three back end jobs so is rewarded with an extra pitcher spot and as an added bonus he gives the pen an extra lefty. Suppan's recency gives him a slight edge over a fairly competitive group for the pen's last spot. The other two especially Strincevich just barely lost out for rotation spots.

    Total IP: 8,587.2 (Swift and Sewell combine for 3,663.2 IP)
    *Denotes left handed pitcher

    Others: I really didn't like including Sveum and still might ultimately remove him but the best alternative is Frank Shugart another shortstop from the 1800s. My top outfield options are Ed Swartwood from the 1800s and Billy Southworth from the dead ball era though I did briefly consider Reggie Sanders as a more modern option. Walter Schmidt and Earl Smith were good catcher for the Pirates back in the 1920s but didn't receive much consideration thanks to the quality of the two that made the team. On the pitching side Tom Sturdivant from the 60s was probably the closest to making the team and just missed out in favor of Suppan. Others considered include Elmer Steele and Don Schwall.

    Overall: Team S is an excellent team. The lineup is probably just a hair below the best in the league while the bench is quite possibly the best in the league. The rotation is a clear step below some but still very good. Meanwhile in the pen the back end is second tier but the extra pitchers group is as good as anyone has to offer. I don't have a final ranking worked out yet but this is a borderline top 5 team once the rankings are finished.
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  4. #19
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    Dec 2005
    Team T

    Pie Traynor, 3B (1920-1935, 1937)
    Jose Tabata, RF (2010-2015)
    Jason Thompson, 1B (1981-1985)*
    Frank Thomas, LF (1951-1958)
    Cotton Tierney, 2B (1920-1923)
    Roy Thomas, CF (1908)*
    Frank Taveras, SS (1971-1972, 1974-1979)
    Al Todd, C (1936-1938)

    Notes: Position wise everyone is playing a spot where they should be comfortable. Frank Thomas was primarily a 3B but spent a lot of time in LF as well and will do so here in deference to the great Pie Traynor. Traynor is undoubtedly the star of the team but it a slightly irregular move the star is batting lead off due to Thompson and Thomas being good middle of the order bats. The lineup doesn't rely too heavily on the early days with no 19th century players and only one from the dead ball era.

    C/1B/OF: Billy Taylor (1882-1883)
    C/1B/OF: Carl Taylor (1968-1969, 1971)
    IF: Tommy Thevenow (1931-1935, 1938)
    IF: Zeb Terry (1919)
    OF: Andy Tomberlin (1993)*

    Notes: The catching situation is a little different here as the bench has two reserve catchers but both are capable of playing elsewhere on the diamond. The team will use this versatility to its advantage. Carl Taylor nearly won a starting outfield job outright and will likely get a lot of playing time out there. Thevenow was a very terrible hitter but has a strong defensive reputation still it was his longevity more than anything that earned him a spot on the team. Reserves were running a bit thin to fill the last spot so Tomberlin with his mere 45 PA in 1993 was able to grab the last spot and will serve as the lefty bat off the bench.

    Total PA: 25,689 (Traynor with 8,293 PA more than doubles Frank Thomas's second place total of 3,838)
    * Denotes left handed hitter

    #1: Jesse Tannehill (1897-1902)*
    #2: Randy Tomlin (1990-1994)*
    #3: John Tudor (1984)*
    #4: Jim Tobin (1937-1939)
    #5: Jameson Taillon (2016-Present)

    Notes: Had he not been a very good pitcher Tannehill would of likely been the final bench player serving as a reserve switch hitting outfielder even still on days he doesn't start his bat will be available off the bench. Tomlin and Tudor gives the rotation a pair of solid modern arms to fill in the middle of the rotation. The inclusion of Taillon is heavily predicated on my belief he'll erase all doubt this year but even without that he has a legitimate case.

    CL: Kent Tekulve (1974-1985)
    SU: Salomon Torres (2002-2007)
    SU: Julian Tavarez (2003)

    P: Adonis Terry (1892-1894)
    P: Jake Thies (1954-1955)
    P: Luis Tiant (1981)
    P: Jeff Tabaka (1994, 1998)*

    Notes: Tekulve and Torres is a very strong 1-2 punch in the back of the bullpen. Both pitchers were terrific relievers for the Pirates and will make for a formidable duo. Tavarez is a bit weak as a secondary set up man but is still a solid pitcher in his own right. As for the extra pitchers Terry and Thies were Taillon's competition for the last rotation spot and have a legitimate case as of now but like I said I'm giving Taillon the edge do to him obviously still pitching. Tiant was a terrific pitcher who spent only a very small portion of his career with the Pirates when he was past his prime but he still was ok and I felt he deserved a spot. Tabaka had missed out on the final spot until I realized the bullpen had no left handed pitchers so that made me reevaluate and include him as the last arm.

    Total IP: 5,110.1 (About half 2,516.1 IP belong to Tannehill and Tekulve)
    *Denotes left handed pitcher

    Others: Live Oak Taylor had a claim to the final bench spot do to having a bit more playing time than the rest of the candidates but he wasn't good in that time and hails from the 19th century so I gave Tomberlin the edge over him. The only other position player I really considered was Gene Tenace a C/1B from the 1980s who played briefly with the Pirates. On the pitching side Lee Tunnell from the 1980s originally had the last bullpen spot but was removed in order to add a left hander to the mix. The rest of the pitching options either pitched too few innings for consideration or had too poor of performances. Backup catcher Billy Taylor did log over 100 innings on the mound but his 5.80 ERA was dreadful even for his time.

    Overall: Team T manages to stay above the bottom tier of teams but they are almost certainly going to be in the bottom half of the rankings. The team has an ok lineup, a good rotation and two very good back of the bullpen guys but are really hurting from a depth perspective. On a day to day basis they won't be a pushover like some teams in the league but they just don't have enough to compete over the long haul.
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  5. #20
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    Team V

    Andy Van Slyke, RF (1987-1994)*
    George Van Haltren, LF (1892-1893)*
    Arky Vaughan, SS (1932-1941)*
    John Vander Wal, 1B (2000-2001)*
    Jim Viox, 2B (1912-1916)
    Bill Virdon, CF (1956-1965, 1968)*
    Ramon Vazquez, 3B (2009)*
    Ozzie Virgil, C (1965)

    Notes: It might seem a little weird having Van Slyke in right field but he is forced to share an outfield with another terrific center fielder in Bill Virdon so he moves off the position. Van Haltren and Virgil are playing their normal position but both have a little infield experience and considering the lack of depth Team V has at those positions it will likely be utilized. Vander Wal and Vazquez primarily played other positions with the Pirates but have experience at their new positions so they will hold down those spots. The lineup is very left handed heavy but in this case it is unavoidable.

    C: Pat Veltman (1934)
    1B: Eddie Vargas (1982, 1984)
    IF: Coot Veal (1962)
    OF: Maurice Van Robays (1939-1943, 1946)
    OF: Gary Varsho (1991-1992, 1994)*

    Notes: Coot Veal never played the field for the Pirates and had a grand total of 1 PA but throughout the rest of his baseball career he was an infielder and as the only player with infield experience who isn't starting that thin resume earns him a spot on the bench. Veltman and Vargas played only sparingly for the Pirates and weren't good but spots need to be filled. The reserve outfielders are actually relatively solid and will be used as the primary pinch hitters.

    Total PA: 22,802 (16,478 of them belong to Virdon, Van Slyke and Vaughan)
    * Denotes left handed hitter

    #1: Bob Veale (1962-1972)*
    #2: Edinson Volquez (2014)
    #3: Ryan Vogelsong (2001, 2003-2006, 2016)
    #4: Todd Van Poppel (1998)
    #5: Bucky Veil (1903-1904)

    Notes: Veale is a very good ace but after him the rotation quickly falls apart. Volquez is a fine starter but is definitely miscast as a #2 in this rotation. Vogelsong takes the third spot solely because he has a significant number of innings. Van Poppel and Veil round out the rotation because although they were bad they weren't quite as awful as the other alternatives.

    CL: Jose Veras (2011)
    SU: Ron Villone (2002)*
    SU: Donnie Veal (2009)*

    P: John Van Benschoten (2004, 2007-2008)
    P: Virgil Vasquez (2009)
    P: Joe Vitelli (1944)
    P: Chris Volstad (2015)

    Notes: Veras is a decent relief pitcher but should be more of a middle reliever or perhaps second set up man than closer. After him Villone and Veal were awful with the Pirates and their inclusion here is more reflective of limited options than anything. Virgil Vasquez was probably the top contender for one of the last rotation spots and Van Bencshoten makes it solely due to playing time. The last two spots were given to pitchers who did well over a very small amount of innings. Vitelli allowed 2 runs over 7 IP while Volstad threw two shut out innings.

    Total IP: 2,870.1 (Veale has nearly two thirds of those innings at 1,868.2 IP)
    *Denotes left handed pitcher

    Others: There were two position players and three pitchers who didn't make the final 25 man roster. Peek-A-Boo Veach was a 1B in the 1800s who actually hit really well but over a very small number of PA. He was probably the closest and gave Vargas a push for the last bench spot. Mickey Vernon was an outfielder who never played the field and came to the plate 9 times. Bob Vail was the best pitcher not to make the team having thrown 15 innings during the dead ball era and posting an ERA of 6. Dazzy Vance and Rick VanderHurk are the remaining two pitchers with both having thrown 2.2 innings and having ERAs over 10.

    Overall: With Vaughan and Veale team V has two terrific stars but beyond them there isn't a whole lot. Van Slyke and Virdon are good outfielders and Volquez and Veras are decent pitchers but there needs to be many more of that type for this team to succeed and there just aren't. The stars will likely keep the team out of the basement of the league but this is still a bottom tier team.
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  6. #21
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    Dec 2005
    Team W

    Jimmy Williams, 3B (1899-1900)
    Neil Walker, 1B (2009-2015) #
    Honus Wagner, SS (1900-1917)
    Paul Waner, RF (1926-1940)*
    Craig Wilson, C (2001-2006)
    Wally Westlake, LF (1947-1951)
    Lloyd Waner, CF (1927-1941, 1944-1945)*
    Glenn Wright, 2B (1924-1928)

    Notes: A lot to unpack here as this lineup is rather creative. Walker and Wright never played 1B and 2B respectively. The correct alignment should be Wagner at 1B, Walker at 2B and Wright at SS but I just couldn't bring myself to move the Flying Dutchman off his position so the others are going to try their hand at new positions. Also Craig Wilson isn't much of a catcher but options were limited there so the 1B/OF who caught a little is going to give it another go. This is definitely one of the more interesting lineups in the league but it is also one of the best.

    C: Art Wilson (1916)
    1B/OF: Glenn Wilson (1988-1989, 1993)
    IF: Maury Wills (1967-1968) #
    IF: Jack Wilson (2001-2009)
    OF: Turner Ward (1997-1999) #

    Notes: Despite the uniqueness of the lineup the bench follows a fairly typical pattern. Wilson, Ward and even Wills are solid bench bats who together will back up the corner infield spots and all of the outfield. Middle infield duties will fall to Jack Wilson who of course is a terrific defensive player who is light with the bat and Art Wilson will serve as the back up catcher.

    Total PA: 46,683 (Wagner and the Waner brothers combine for 27,528 PA)
    * Denotes left handed hitter
    # Denotes switch hitter

    #1: Vic Willis (1906-1909)
    #2: Bob Walk (1984-1993)
    #3: Jim Weaver (1935-1937)
    #4: Luke Walker (1965-1966, 1968-1973)*
    #5: Rube Waddell (1900-1901)*

    Notes: Willis gives team W a solid top of the rotation arm even though coming from the dead ball era will hurt his overall performance. Walk gets the number two slot more for longevity than anything else as he was just an average pitcher while with the Pirates. Weaver and Walker are a pair of solid mid rotation arms who at least both pitched after the dead ball era. Waddell is the number 5 only because of his limited total innings and the era he pitched in but he was a dominant pitcher for his time and one who has some interesting stories attached to him.

    CL: Tony Watson (2011-Present)*
    SU: Mike Williams (1998-2003)
    SU: Rick White (1994-1995, 2005)

    P: Kip Wells (2002-2006)
    P: Paul Wagner (1992-1997)
    P: Justin Wilson (2012-2014)*
    P: Vance Worley (2014-2015)

    Notes: Watson who has been sensational for the Pirates recently gets the nod as the closer while Mike Williams who to my recollection always managed to make his save chances interesting takes the primary set up spot do largely to the fact he served a while as the closer. Rick White barely sneaks in as the second set up man. Williams and White aren't a strong pair of set up man but they aren't bad either. As far as the extra pitchers I opted to stick heavily to the modern side of things taking Justin Wilson as my extra left hander as he was the one who barely lost out to Rick White. Wells and Wagner spent a fair amount of time with the Pirates and were solid pitchers who just missed out on a rotation spot. Worley claims the last spot over some stiff competition thanks to his 3.31 ERA.

    Total IP: 6,495.2 (The top 4 SP along with Kip Wells and Paul Wagner all eclipsed 500 IP)
    *Denotes left handed pitcher

    Others: Farmer Weaver a catcher from the 1800s actually pushed Jack Wilson for a spot. It was due to how I wanted to arrange things. With him on the roster Art Wilson would have started at catcher, Craig Wilson would have started at 1B, pushing Walker to 2B and Wright to the bench displacing Jack Wilson. Chief Wilson from the dead ball era pushed for one of the reserve OF spots largely due to length of his playing time but missed out because I opted for the more modern guys. Art Wilson is a solid SS from the 19th century but is behind so many other guys. Possum Whitted also came close as a corner utility player but he too played during the dead ball era. There were plenty of pitchers as well including Ted Wilks a reliever from the 1950s, George Wit a starter from the 50s and of course the more modern Tim Wakefield.

    Overall: Team W has an excellent lineup which quite possibly may be the best in the league and they back that up with a very strong bench. On the pitching side though things get a bit weaker as the rotation while good doesn't stack up well with some of the best in the league and the bullpen is a bit weak compared to some of the other groups. On the offensive side the team should be a top 3 unit but on the pitching side they are much closer to the middle of the pack. The whole package is of a very good team who is certainly a contender to win the league.
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  7. #22
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    Team QUIZY

    Frankie Zak, SS (1944-1946)
    Delwyn Young, RF (2009-2010) #
    Richie Zisk, CF (1971-1976)
    Kevin Young, 1B (1992-1995, 1997-2003)
    Chief Zimmer, C (1900-1902)
    Travis Ishikawa, LF (2014-2015)*
    Pep Young, 2B (1933-1940)
    Cesar Izturis, 3B (2007) #

    Notes: Zisk is the star of the team and although he never actually played center field he is the only actual outfielder on the team so he is going to be asked to man that position. Delwyn Young spent more time at 2B and Ishikawa more time at 1B but both players did play the outfield corners a little bit so with a lack of options they slide out there to fill in. Kevin Young and Pep Young both have some minimal outfield experience so they may be asked to play out there on occasion. Izturis didn't play much 3B for the Pirates but the two who did play a little bit (K Young and P Young) already had positions so his limited experience is enough.

    C: George Yeager (1901)
    2B: Akinori Iwamura (2010)*
    IF: Rey Quinones (1989)
    IF: Joe Quest (1884)
    U: Brandon Inge (2013)

    Notes: As previously stated there isn't a whole lot of outfield depth here so Brandon Inge is going to be tasked with serving as the teams 4th outfielder. Meanwhile Iwamura despite his poor offensive numbers earn his spot as the left handed bench bat. This is far from an inspiring group.

    Total PA: 11,559 (Kevin Young, Pep Young and Richie Zisk account for 9,052 PA)
    * Denotes left handed hitter
    # Denotes switch hitter

    #1: Emil Yde (1924-1927)*
    #2: Jimmy Zinn (1920-1922)
    #3: Chief Yellow Horse (1921-1922)
    #4: Mel Queen (1947-1948, 1950-1952)
    #5: Shane Youman (2006-2007)*

    Notes: The top three starters actually were roughly average pitchers for the Pirates in the 1920s though only Yde was a regular starter. Queen was pretty bad but makes the rotation do the fact that he at least threw 200+ innings which only him and Yde managed to pull off. Youman wins out over a small group of competitors largely due to his recency.

    CL: Tyler Yates (2008-2009)
    SU: Chris Zachary (1973)
    SU: Chad Qualls (2012)

    P: Irv Young (1908)*
    P: Harley Young (1908)
    P: Mike York (1990)
    P: Jim Umbricht (1959-1961)

    Notes: Yates was a serviceable middle reliever for the awful Pirates teams he was on but that obviously isn't dripping with high praise. Zachary was fairly effective for his 12 innings with the Pirates but the rest of his career was much more mediocre. Qualls is pretty much the opposite of Zachary as his short Pirates career was rough but he was a fairly decent pitcher for his career. Irv Young was Youman's primary challenger for the 5th starter's job but lost out due to pitching in the dead ball era. Harley Young and Mike York both were actually decent pitchers for the Pirates but didn't log a lot of innings. Umbricht claims the last spot in no small part because he is the only player in franchise history to have a last name starting with the letter U.

    Total IP: 1,736 IP (Yde and Queen combine for 1,050.1 IP)
    *Denotes left handed pitcher

    Others: There were 6 position players that didn't make the final roster. The most notable of them were Henry Youngman, a 19th century infielder, and Billy Zitzmann, a dead ball era outfielder both of whom played sparingly and were pretty bad. The letter I has produced 6 players in Pirates history and oddly enough 5 of them have come within the last decade the one who didn't was Mel Ingram who pinch ran for the Pirates three times in 1929. On the pitching side there were 5 players left off. Len Yochim was the only one to reach double digits in innings pitched and he had a 7.62 ERA. The best of the group is probably Jeff Zaske who in 1984 threw 5 shutout innings.

    Overall: Team QUIZY won't be ranked in the final rankings which I'll do some time next week but the team overall is a very poor one and would likely rank in the bottom 5 if they were eligible. The letter Y is the primary driving force behind the team as it occupies 11 of the 25 spots on the final roster and has 15 of the 36 eligible players. In theory the letter X would also go here but I have found no evidence that anyone with a last name beginning with X has ever made the majors let alone played for the Pirates.
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    Dec 2005
    There you have it all 20 teams in the Pirates Alphabet League and also the bonus team made up of the ineligible players. The final overall rankings will come out next week but my early impressions are that Team B gives us the strongest lineup, Team S the strongest bench, Team C the strongest rotation and Team G the strongest bullpen. On the flip side of things I haven't given it much thought but teams E, N and J appear to be the worst three overall and in fact I suspect I'd take Team QUIZY over them if it were eligible.

    This has been a fun look into Pirates history and I hope somebody has enjoyed it these past 4 weeks. I'll wrap it up next week with the final rankings and some closing thoughts.
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  9. #24
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    May 2011
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    Quote Originally Posted by burgh_fan66 View Post
    There you have it all 20 teams in the Pirates Alphabet League and also the bonus team made up of the ineligible players. The final overall rankings will come out next week but my early impressions are that Team B gives us the strongest lineup, Team S the strongest bench, Team C the strongest rotation and Team G the strongest bullpen. On the flip side of things I haven't given it much thought but teams E, N and J appear to be the worst three overall and in fact I suspect I'd take Team QUIZY over them if it were eligible.

    This has been a fun look into Pirates history and I hope somebody has enjoyed it these past 4 weeks. I'll wrap it up next week with the final rankings and some closing thoughts.
    very entertaining and informative tyvm brought back a ton of memories .

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