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[Kinkotheclown]

I do think that if he was playing all along, in that time, he would have played like they do, and he would be a more physical player. Growing up learning to play in todays style, he plays the way he does

Quite possibly but then his numbers would have suffered and he would have likely retired 2-3 years ago.
I think he would have been a great player without question. I just don't think he'd have broken any records.

[metswon69]

I guess it depends what you define as talent. When I think talent, I think actual skills. Like shooting, handling, moves, etc..

Lebron is more a physical attributes guy, with that mental/IQ aspect as well. I’m not saying it as a negative at all. Like, I’d consider current guys like Jokic, Embiid, Luka, KD, as more talented. Not better, though, if that makes sense. Where as Giannis is another of the “physical attribute” guys, that’s also at worst “on par” with Lebron in that aspect.

I wouldnt consider any of those guys more talented. Better scorers and better shooters sure but maybe only Jokic has LeBron 's passing ability. I dont think any of those guys have LeBron's overall game and certainly not when he was in his prime. No chance any of those guys are averaging 30/8/7 at 38 years old either.

[Kinkotheclown]

I wouldnt consider any of those guys more talented. Better scorers and better shooters sure but maybe only Jokic has LeBron 's passing ability. I dont think any of those guys have LeBron's overall game and certainly not when he was in his prime. No chance any of those guys are averaging 30/8/7 at 38 years old either.

Neither is LBJ if the game is more physical

[ShadyOne]

I wouldnt consider any of those guys more talented. Better scorers and better shooters sure but maybe only Jokic has LeBron 's passing ability. I dont think any of those guys have LeBron's overall game and certainly not when he was in his prime. No chance any of those guys are averaging 30/8/7 at 38 years old either.

They don’t? I’d say they all have pretty damn good passing ability. KD is a scorer, but he’s always been a legit passer, when he has to. Difference with him, is that he’s pretty much always going to be the best option to shoot, or have the ball, so why pass it? And Lukas game can age very well, and he’s an automatic 8 assist a game guy already.

Besides, there’s a lot of talents besides passing. I was only answering in regard to the “most talented” discussion. I don’t think Lebron has that distinction. I’d consider Bird more talented. Or those guys I mentioned. How about Oscar Robertson? Wilt?

I’m only answering on the talent alone part. Putting the sum of the parts together, Lebron is a complete package for sure.

[metswon69]

Neither is LBJ if the game is more physical

Sure but I'd bet he'd still be an elite talent. The work he puts in is second to none. Most guys his age are retired or a shell of their former selves. LeBron is not.

[metswon69]

They don’t? I’d say they all have pretty damn good passing ability. KD is a scorer, but he’s always been a legit passer, when he has to. Difference with him, is that he’s pretty much always going to be the best option to shoot, or have the ball, so why pass it? And Lukas game can age very well, and he’s an automatic 8 assist a game guy already.

Besides, there’s a lot of talents besides passing. I was only answering in regard to the “most talented” discussion. I don’t think Lebron has that distinction. I’d consider Bird more talented. Or those guys I mentioned. How about Oscar Robertson? Wilt?

I’m only answering on the talent alone part. Putting the sum of the parts together, Lebron is a complete package for sure.

I think LeBron is more talented than the guys you mentioned in terms of overall game. Its hard to compare a 38 year old LeBron to guys in their physical prime. As great as LeBron still is, he's not as good as he was when he was 27 or 28. Yeah, there have been more dominant players but that was in relation to the competition they played. Is Russell or Wilt as good if you put them in basketball 30 and 40 years later? Probably not. Same with Oscar. Bird was great. Personally I think LeBron is a better overall talent outside of his shooting.

Its hard to compare eras. I dont think there is a right or wrong answer as Bird was a complete package minus the athleticism but I would give the nod to LeBron to anyone not named Michael Jordan.

[Kinkotheclown]

Sure but I'd bet he'd still be an elite talent. The work he puts in is second to none. Most guys his age are retired or a shell of their former selves. LeBron is not.

I am suspicious of all pro players who play at that level past a certain age.

I am not against leagues allowing for low level PEDs to help recovery and injury healing but I do wonder with certain players.
And yes, I think there are players beyond the reach of league rules.

[ShadyOne]

I think LeBron is more talented than the guys you mentioned in terms of overall game. Its hard to compare a 38 year old LeBron to guys in their physical prime. As great as LeBron still is, he's not as good as he was when he was 27 or 28. Yeah, there have been more dominant players but that was in relation to the competition they played. Is Russell or Wilt as good if you put them in basketball 30 and 40 years later? Probably not. Same with Oscar. Bird was great. Personally I think LeBron is a better overall talent outside of his shooting.

Its hard to compare eras. I dont think there is a right or wrong answer as Bird was a complete package minus the athleticism but I would give the nod to LeBron to anyone not named Michael Jordan.

That’s a discussion that really can’t be had, though. Who knows what other eras players would be able to do, if you factor in genetic evolution, knowledge, training/nutrition, and different play styles.

The 3 pointer, and also the ability for non-guards to basically dominate play, would open up a lot, for a lot of players

[metswon69]

That’s a discussion that really can’t be had, though. Who knows what other eras players would be able to do, if you factor in genetic evolution, knowledge, training/nutrition, and different play styles.

The 3 pointer, and also the ability for non-guards to basically dominate play, would open up a lot, for a lot of players

I don't know if you can discuss player greatness in terms of where they rank in league history without talking about the era they played in. A lot of people thought George Mikan was the best player (or one of the best players) in NBA history at one point. Is he among the pantheon of all time greats now?

You're right. The game has evolved as have the athletes. It makes its more difficult to discuss who is the best.

[Kinkotheclown]

That’s a discussion that really can’t be had, though. Who knows what other eras players would be able to do, if you factor in genetic evolution, knowledge, training/nutrition, and different play styles.

The 3 pointer, and also the ability for non-guards to basically dominate play, would open up a lot, for a lot of players

What would Clyde Drexler have been with the type of training today? Hakeem?
Magic? Bird? Mourning? ...

This isn't a comparison thing but my lord, if they had the fitness protocols and player development tools they have now?

[rrzubnyy]

Another crappy Super Bowl halftime show?

It should have more balance with these freaking shows. One year Country, one year hard rock, one year rap, one year pop.

It is a joke! And I won’t be watching this years garbage.

[Kinkotheclown]

I think this could end up being the least watched game in recent, SB history.

Eagles played a QB-less 49er team to get there and the Chiefs? Suffice it to say they were certainly the apparent beneficiaries, of very lopsided, set of favorable calls.

While I think the Eagles deserved to be there, I don't think the Chiefs do. I just don't feel like watching a game between 2 teams about which I give zero, poops and that I know will be decided by some very questionable calls

[goingfor28]

I hope KC wins by 50. Not a fan of the Eagles at all.

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[YANKSGUY]

Another crappy Super Bowl halftime show?
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It is a joke! And I won’t be watching this years garbage.

I'm sure they will be upset that you won't be watching. LMAO!!! There's mothing CRAPPY about Rihanna.

[Kinkotheclown]

I'm sure they will be upset that you won't be watching. LMAO!!! There's mothing CRAPPY about Rihanna.

Imagine if mush was none of only a few people who was heavily relied on for network/channel/site ratings?

Executives would be plummeting to the earth like the stock market crash of 29