2016/2017 Regular Season and Playoff Thread

[5ass]

The Magic are about to be tested in the coming weeks. They play the Hornets, Pacers, Knicks and Hawks. If they think they're a play off team, now is the time to prove it.

[StreetKing]

No way Lavine comes to this team and comes off the bench. He would be the best player on the team why would he come off the bench. He is a combo guard. He had played PG in college and pros.

But back to the games. The magic didn't play well defensively after the half. AG/EP came back to earth. Mario hit some shots in garbage time.

[5ass]

The team didn't play well defensively the whole game. They. gave up like 55% the first half. This team needs to get back to playing defense. I cant remember when was the last time they played good defense for a full game. AG and EP will have their ups and downs. That is why we need to replace Green and DJ with more consistent vets.

[MagicBucsSox]

No way Lavine comes to this team and comes off the bench. He would be the best player on the team why would he come off the bench. He is a combo guard. He had played PG in college and pros.

But back to the games. The magic didn't play well defensively after the half. AG/EP came back to earth. Mario hit some shots in garbage time.

This is exactly why I'm fed up with Orlando and it's fans. Wtf would LaVine be coming off the bench for? Lemme guess the beloved Evan Fournier. No one has ever seen a Fournier jersey in real life but all orlando fans excluding a small minority cares about this guy. Zach LaVine is by far better than that glorified bench player

[TrAv=MaGiCfReAk]

To the dude that said Oladipo is more clutch that couldn't be more wrong and it's not even close yes he had some big threes in that OKC overtime game but outside of that he never stepped up and took over a game in the end in the clutch to carry the team down the stretch or win it for us. In fact he did the opposite and would completely shy away from even getting the ball.

I think people get hung up in the fact that he is more fun to watch so he must be better than Fournier. So until he reaches this high ceiling that he has or become this All-Star or a must-have player OKC I'm over hearing about how great he is so come find me when all that happens.

I like Fournier but I'm not obsessed with him he is okay he's been off to a slow start this year so we will see but I wouldn't hesitate to trade him if we had a good deal

[StreetKing]

I agree with Trav and MBS.

In terms of the current status of the team, we are very close to a playoff team now if that is our goal. Any trade we do should make us better right now and the long term. We shouldn't settle for a quick fix or rental player.

[kkalu]

I agree with Trav and MBS.

In terms of the current status of the team, we are very close to a playoff team now if that is our goal. Any trade we do should make us better right now and the long term. We shouldn't settle for a quick fix or rental player.

I agree. Why not stay pat? We shouldn't trade for the purpose of trading. Plus if we keep talent we have a better chance of signing a great player ala tmac grant hill.

[TrAv=MaGiCfReAk]

Nah I still think we need to make a move ... Still lack scoring need a wing. Fine with seeing vuc getting moved and out good expiring guys like green

[5ass]

This is exactly why I'm fed up with Orlando and it's fans. Wtf would LaVine be coming off the bench for? Lemme guess the beloved Evan Fournier. No one has ever seen a Fournier jersey in real life but all orlando fans excluding a small minority cares about this guy. Zach LaVine is by far better than that glorified bench player

Lol if we're talking about a popular contest yes Lavine wins. Lavine is averaging 20.2 points per 36, Fournier 19.2 points per 36. So let's not act like Fournier is some bum. As bad as Fournier is defensively, Levine is much worse. Levine is the worst defending SG in the league. So for that extra point he gives you per 36 minutes, how much does he give up on the other end? He's still young and has potential to improve, but at this point, Lavine is more hype than actual production. People buy his jersey because of his performance in the dunk contest, not because he's a great player today. At this point Lavine isn't even as good as Lou Williams, who also wouldn't start for the Magic.

[5ass]

Nah I still think we need to make a move ... Still lack scoring need a wing. Fine with seeing vuc getting moved and out good expiring guys like green

Agree.

[StreetKing]

Lol if we're talking about a popular contest yes Lavine wins. Lavine is averaging 20.2 points per 36, Fournier 19.2 points per 36. So let's not act like Fournier is some bum. As bad as Fournier is defensively, Levine is much worse. Levine is the worst defending SG in the league. So for that extra point he gives you per 36 minutes, how much does he give up on the other end? He's still young and has potential to improve, but at this point, Lavine is more hype than actual production. People buy his jersey because of his performance in the dunk contest, not because he's a great player today. At this point Lavine isn't even as good as Lou Williams, who also wouldn't start for the Magic.

My main point if we traded for Lavine we should play him at PG (which he has played before) over any PG we currently we have on this roster. Look at Harden/Giannis/Russell. PGs don't just pass anymore. I would want to play him along side Evan, but if I had to make a choice between the two it would be Lavine. He is three years younger. He is more athletic and just as good as a shooter if not better. His potential is off the charts. Production is there with 20 ppg. I know his team has a losing record but so does the Magic with Evan scoring 17 ppg. I respect everyone's opinion in this forum. We all want the Magic to win, but you also preferred Evan over Derozan in the offseason look how that turned out.

[5ass]

My main point if we traded for Lavine we should play him at PG (which he has played before) over any PG we currently we have on this roster. Look at Harden/Giannis/Russell. PGs don't just pass anymore. I would want to play him along side Evan, but if I had to make a choice between the two it would be Lavine. He is three years younger. He is more athletic and just as good as a shooter if not better. His potential is off the charts. Production is there with 20 ppg. I know his team has a losing record but so does the Magic with Evan scoring 17 ppg.

The difference in PPG isn't as big as it seems. Per 36 minutes, Fournier averages 19.2 and Lavine averages 20.1... Lavine just plays more minutes. Yes, he has played PG before, and it quickly became obvious how much he hurt his team when he played that position. His 3 assists and 2 TO per game aren't going to cut it. He's a below average passer even for a SG. That is why the Wolves quickly realised he shouldn't be playing PG. Maybe in a few years, but right now he's very ineffective at that position.

[5ass]

RE Derozen, First of all I don't know if you remember but I changed my mind midway through the offseason and said I would want the Magic to sign him. Also if Derozen can continue to raise his game through age 27, why can't Evan? most importantly, to me, Derozen still doesn't prove to be worth that contract until he stops ******** the bed in the play offs. He shot 39% FG and 15% 3pt last year. So yeah let's see how he finishes out the season.

[StreetKing]

Derozan is the best player on the 5th best team in the league. I think he is worth it.

Steve Kyler from basketballinsiders.com states Wolves won't move Lavine/Wiggins unless they get an all-star. He also says teams would be flooding them with offers if they were on the table. So basically we aren't getting them and they are better than anybody we have to offer.

[5ass]

And at this day last season the Magic were 19-13 with Vucevic as our best player... its a long season. The Raptors are likely to be surpassed by the Clippers and probably the Celtics. He's also not better than Lowry. Lowry started off a little slow, Derozen was hot, but like I said... long season. All I'm saying is after his last play off performance even some Raptors fans didn't want to reign him for 28 mill/yr.

I'm not surprised the Wolves aren't going to break up the core. We aren't getting them because they aren't on the table. Obviously its Rubio that needs to go. He's a decent asset that could net them a decent PF. Some Wolves fans are just getting impatient. They didn't realise how hard it is to win with a young team. They thought adding Thibs would fix everything, but now they see that their young guys simply can't play defense and need help. They really just need time to grow. Wiggins and Lavine were taken in the same draft as AG and Payton. They're still young, and haven't developed as all around players. Towns also needs to be a much better defender for them, and that will come with time.