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    Heat and Kings have discussed swapping Dragic for Rudy Gay and Collison

    The Miami Heat are in a weird place. Following the departures of Dwyane Wade and Luol Deng, and Pat Riley announcing that Chris Bosh has no future with the team because of his medical condition, 30-year-old guard Goran Dragic and 27-year-old center Hassan Whiteside are surrounded by young players and journeymen. This doesn't look like a playoff team, but Dragic, Whiteside and second-year forward Justise Winslow could do just enough to keep the team from getting a great draft pick next June.

    In that context emerges a trade rumor from Basketball Insiders' Michael Scotto, who reported Tuesday that the Heat and Sacramento Kings have discussed swapping Dragic for forward Rudy Gay and guard Darren Collison. From the Kings' perspective, this makes perfect sense: Gay wants out and reportedly likes the idea of going to Miami, and Dragic would be a massive upgrade at their weakest position.

    From the Heat's perspective, well, it's hard to see this move making them a better team tomorrow. But that wouldn't be the point.

    There's a strong argument to be made that Miami should tank this season. There aren't many teams participating in the race to the bottom this year, and the Heat's lack of depth and experience means that it would be relatively easy to get in the mix for the No. 1 seed. Giving up Dragic would be the first logical step in any tanking operation, and putting Gay next to a bunch of guys who don't space the floor would certainly not be a recipe for success.
    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/in...hit-tank-mode/

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    No way this happens.

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    If HEAT can get an unprotected first-round pick (with'in 3yrs), then do it.

    Gay, whoever & unprotected 1st rd pick.







    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    As a rookie Micheal Beasley averaged 13.9pts per game on .472 shooting. Do you know how many times Kobe Bryant or Tracy Mcgrady shot at that percent or better? Never in there whole careers. If Beas can be what he was when he was a rookie (he won't hell be better) then the heat are coming away with another steal.

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    Not happening. Collison had legal issues. Rudy Gay makes teams worse than they actually are. Toronto and Memphis got better as soon as they dealt Gay.

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    Makes sense if we're trying to tank to flip Dragić for expiring contracts basically.

    But I've never really seen Riley 'try to tank' with a trade. If his teams are bad, then they're just bad and he usually doesn't try to help that along sans 2007 resting Marion and others after Wade needed surgery. But I haven't witnessed a salary dump trade from him of one of the team's best players for an expiring contract yet.

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    If true, not pretty for Rileys resume. He gave up Two first round picks, signed Dragic to 5 year contract and only to trade him away for expirings a year later? Riley has too much pride for this to be true, let's be honest here.

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    At this point I feel like Miami is getting underrated. They need to open up the court for Dragic and Winslow with 3pt shooters who can run the floor. Gay would do nothing but stunt Winslow's growth. I don't think they're close enough to the bottom to justify tanking.

    Is McRoberts still there? He's looked like he was phoning it in the past couple of years, but as a dirty work guy who is an excellent passer, I think he's ideal for that lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandsOnTheWheel View Post
    If true, not pretty for Rileys resume. He gave up Two first round picks, signed Dragic to 5 year contract and only to trade him away for expirings a year later? Riley has too much pride for this to be true, let's be honest here.
    Pride shouldn't get in the way of ousting Dragic if the trade is right. Look at the Pats and Belicheck? Got rid of one of the best pass rushers for a pick and a bust OL man in Cooper. They just cut Cooper recently. Even Riley can make mistakes of drafting Beasley. Considering what Miami gave up for Dragic? It was mere peanuts + picks. Some of the picks have protection on them as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dade County View Post
    If HEAT can get an unprotected first-round pick (with'in 3yrs), then do it.

    Gay, whoever & unprotected 1st rd pick.
    wtf lol

    Dragic is not that good. I'd probably do the proposed Dragic for Gay and Colllson, but that's only because Gay wants out. Otherwise, we're losing that trade talent-wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beasted86 View Post
    Makes sense if we're trying to tank to flip Dragić for expiring contracts basically.

    But I've never really seen Riley 'try to tank' with a trade. If his teams are bad, then they're just bad and he usually doesn't try to help that along sans 2007 resting Marion and others after Wade needed surgery. But I haven't witnessed a salary dump trade from him of one of the team's best players for an expiring contract yet.
    I see this as Riley getting 2 starters for 1

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    Anything other than a tear-down is useless for the Kings. Every day they wait, Cousins' contract becomes less valuable as a trade asset. Trade him, Gay and Koufos for some guards and wings already, and focus on the other four or five big men competing for time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLynn943 View Post
    wtf lol

    Dragic is not that good. I'd probably do the proposed Dragic for Gay and Colllson, but that's only because Gay wants out. Otherwise, we're losing that trade talent-wise.
    Doesn't matter if he's "not that good." You have to remember that Vivek Ranadive isn't Peter Holt or Micky Airson. Teams make trades that are dumbfounding. Utah gave up a first rounder for George freaking Hill. If George Hill could command a lotto pick, then Dragic being considered for a 1st isn't unreasonable, especially unprotected. Dragic has one of the better cap friendlier deals for a starting PG with good upside. He was 3rd all-NBA caliber at one point. He's ball dominant, which is why he struggled in Miami and in last season with Phoenix. He is a dribble drive penetrator with good vision. Let's not kid ourselves that he hasn't been utilized properly. In addition, his contract became team friendly when took a little less $ to re-sign with the Heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wade n Fade View Post
    Doesn't matter if he's "not that good." You have to remember that Vivek Ranadive isn't Peter Holt or Micky Airson. Teams make trades that are dumbfounding. Utah gave up a first rounder for George freaking Hill. If George Hill could command a lotto pick, then Dragic being considered for a 1st isn't unreasonable, especially unprotected. Dragic has one of the better cap friendlier deals for a starting PG with good upside. He was 3rd all-NBA caliber at one point. He's ball dominant, which is why he struggled in Miami and in last season with Phoenix. He is a dribble drive penetrator with good vision. Let's not kid ourselves that he hasn't been utilized properly. In addition, his contract became team friendly when took a little less $ to re-sign with the Heat.
    You will soon learn the value of George Hill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wade n Fade View Post
    Doesn't matter if he's "not that good." You have to remember that Vivek Ranadive isn't Peter Holt or Micky Airson. Teams make trades that are dumbfounding. Utah gave up a first rounder for George freaking Hill. If George Hill could command a lotto pick, then Dragic being considered for a 1st isn't unreasonable, especially unprotected. Dragic has one of the better cap friendlier deals for a starting PG with good upside. He was 3rd all-NBA caliber at one point. He's ball dominant, which is why he struggled in Miami and in last season with Phoenix. He is a dribble drive penetrator with good vision. Let's not kid ourselves that he hasn't been utilized properly. In addition, his contract became team friendly when took a little less $ to re-sign with the Heat.
    We got a 1st for Marco Belinelli coming off a terrible year. A first can have drastically different value depending on the team it's coming from. Rudy Gay and an unprotected 1st though (plus another player)? That's a pipe dream.

    Besides, we don't have the ability to trade a 1st until our Sixers and Bulls obligations are met. If we trade a first, it can only be after the draft order is set.

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    Some potential for Dragic on the Kings, as he'd basically go from playing with Whiteside to Cousins. But that team is a mess, a larger one than the also messy Heat situation. Gay would help, but he wants another big contract and Dragic's contract > Paying Gay a new one. Dragic can help develop the young guys once they're healthy. Collison is a wild card, and leverage seems to be on Miami's side because Dragic > Lawson & Collison and Gay won't resign with Kings.
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