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  1. #2311
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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    Well you said 38-42 wins given a healthy year and he said low seeded playoff team 7/8. Those could potentially be the same thing is the point. 42 wins could be in your range and could also land us 8 seed. That's all I am getting at is basically the same idea/not very far off at all. Internal development would be nice haha.

    I agree on where we are at but that was decided long ago with Thibs. That aspect is gone, we are here but we finally have a direction/will try and actually improve instead of being stuck in hostage. Very rarely is a team ever in a great spot in the NBA so what is important is understanding the situation you are in and making moves/trying to make moves based on that.

    Ya we have to wait and see is the point. We need real talented players and in the one offseason we moved up in the draft to get one and then also made a play in FA that we supposedly just missed out on by most accounts (also leveraging our relationships to do so which is another positive sign moving forward if we use KAT to recruit). It is very unlikely to ever work but the ONLY way this franchise ever turns it around is with a good FO making the correct moves.

    We didn't have that since Flip but we might again now. We can't grade the GM in total but we can decide if we like his approach so far and I do (draft, trying big in FA using different methods like sign and trade and relationships to make it possible at least, signing a couple cheap young bigs who fit our needs/modern nba when we miss out instead of old vets for minimal reasoning, bringing in the analytics stuff etc.). I like what I have seen so far, especially given our history you keep alluding to. Who knows if it works out of course though as no matter what it was always going to be a multi year process to improve from where we were like you say.
    Hey dude, you are a glass half full guy when it comes to our team. That is a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    Hey dude, you are a glass half full guy when it comes to this new FO. That is a good thing.
    Whether or not the glass is half empty or full is irrelevant so long as we acknowledge it isn't full and are trying to fill it up in a smart manner. Lol sorry had to, that was my point though.

    Unfortunately I am in a similar spot on the team/situation seeing us as middling 40 win type if healthy, just like this new FO so far.
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    Korver just got released. Would love to see us go after him

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    Adrian Wojnarowski

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    Portland restricted free agent F Jake Layman is signing a three-year, $11.5M deal with Minnesota, agent Mark Bartelstein of @PrioritySports tells ESPN. Minnesota is acquiring Layman in a sign-and-trade agreement with the Blazers.

    Minnesota absorbed Layman into a trade exception. "Were extremely appreciative of how hard (Portland President) Neil Olshey worked with us to accommodate what we were trying to accomplish in this sign and trade, Bartelstein told ESPN.

    Not sure much about him

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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    Adrian Wojnarowski

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    Portland restricted free agent F Jake Layman is signing a three-year, $11.5M deal with Minnesota, agent Mark Bartelstein of @PrioritySports tells ESPN. Minnesota is acquiring Layman in a sign-and-trade agreement with the Blazers.

    Minnesota absorbed Layman into a trade exception. "Were extremely appreciative of how hard (Portland President) Neil Olshey worked with us to accommodate what we were trying to accomplish in this sign and trade, Bartelstein told ESPN.

    Not sure much about him
    Vanterpool probably pushed for him, the kid seems to have improved in every offensive category since he got minutes, and doesn't turj the ball over or waste shots but I don't know anything about his defense. But, Bell is the anti that, so we at least are adding various skillsets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    Vanterpool probably pushed for him, the kid seems to have improved in every offensive category since he got minutes, and doesn't turj the ball over or waste shots but I don't know anything about his defense. But, Bell is the anti that, so we at least are adding various skillsets.
    Ya I was looking into it and last year was his first year getting real minutes. Not a great shooter but can at least hit some (like 33% from 3, 2.5/6 shots per game were 3's so almost half) and is very efficient from 2/not turning over. Seems like a slight negative on d but not horrible or anything. Just another meh signing who could get time and fill a role.

    I think you got it right we are adding a mix of skill sets and different type of youngish players for cheap.

    But with Mo Harkless having the injury bug for a large portion of the year, and some changes to the rotation, Layman has proven himself the teams secret weapon, or x-factor type player this season, with averages of eight points and 3.2 rebounds per game. Hes shooting .667 from two point land, with most of those conversions coming from jaw dropping alley-oop slams. But he can also stretch the floor and hit the three, as hes shooting .360 from there as well.

    His per 36 minute stats are as followed: 15.5 ppg, 6.2 rpg,1.4 apg, 0.9 spg, and 0.9bpg.

    What I love about Layman is how hard he plays. I call him the Energizer Bunny (A nickname I hope will one day soon stick). He just keeps going, and going, and going. He is all over the place on both sides of the floor giving it all he has 100% of the time.

    Layman is very athletic, more athletic than he looks. He uses this athleticism, and 6-foot-9, 215 pound frame, to disrupt passing lanes, heavily contest shots, and rise up and finish inside among the NBAs best.
    Stole this from a fansided article midseason, homer type review it would seem and at the time looks like he was shooting better from 3 but maybe there is something here who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    Vanterpool probably pushed for him, the kid seems to have improved in every offensive category since he got minutes, and doesn't turj the ball over or waste shots but I don't know anything about his defense. But, Bell is the anti that, so we at least are adding various skillsets.
    I watched maybe 5 Portland games last year - he's not a defensive specialist by any stretch, but he's not terrible on that end. He's one of those types that plays/is longer than he looks, if that makes sense. His low-ish shooting percentages are surprising to me, I really like his shot, even though he can be a little streaky. I will say, as far as shooters go (a la Reddick, Korver, etc.), his D is pretty good.

    We desperately needed a shooter (we literally didn't have one, unless you wanna count Towns), so I'm glad we addressed that.

    I have to say, for as down (for want of a better word) as I was when I found out we missed out on Russell, I have been fairly impressed by what we've done since. I know most of them are only min/1yr deals, and they'll probably all be gone after a year, but we've at least signed actual role-player/NBA-caliber players to team friendly deals.

    To summarize my rant, we seem to be making best (or at least, less of a mess) of a bad situation.

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    Who do you guys want us to use the MLE on? Selfishly I love Boogie but I think Marcus Morris would be solid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killerjug View Post
    Who do you guys want us to use the MLE on? Selfishly I love Boogie but I think Marcus Morris would be solid
    Not even sure who else is out there really, Rondae Hollis Jefferson is someone I saw us linked to at one point but...

    Teague/Tyus/Napier
    Culver/Okogie/Nowell/Graham
    Wiggins/Layman/KBD
    Covington/Vonleh
    Towns/Dieng/Bell

    Not sure what else we have planned if much of anything, Naz took one of the 2 way contracts I believe as well. I added Tyus/we have QO on him still but that puts us at 15 players I believe after the 3 signings+2 in trade added too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killerjug View Post
    Who do you guys want us to use the MLE on? Selfishly I love Boogie but I think Marcus Morris would be solid
    I'd like Marcus Morris, personally. I don't know if the Boston system made him look better than he is, but he's had a nice couple of seasons.

    We're probably running out of spots, but two more guys I wouldn't mind (mainly because they should be on minimum deals and partly because they're personal favorites) are Lyles & Nwaba.

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    So I watched two videos of Layman and the two names that popped to my mind were Budinger and to a lesser extent Szczerbiak. So I compared their per36 at 24, which is how old was Layman last year and were one of the best years for both Chase and Wally.

    So Layman's per36 last year was 5.9reb, 1.4 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.8 blocks, 14.7 ppg and .326% on 4.9 3p shots per game

    Chase's were 5 rebounds, 1,8 assists, 1 steal, 0.5 blocks, 15.3 ppg and .321 on 5.7 3p shots per game

    Wally's were 4.5 rebounds, 3 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.2 blocks, 17.7 ppg and .455 but only on 2.2 3p shots per game

    These don't mean a thing and comparing per36 stats is not a proper way to compare players. Still he kind of reminds me of a taller (6.9' Layman, 6.7' Chase) Budinger. Chase was more agile pre injuries, Layman seems stronger.

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    This makes me think we are not signing Tyus long term - he is probably playing for the QO this year, and that is a big mistake. I don't think Tyus is starting caliber(yet), but he is definitely trending the right way. We absolutely need to sign him long-ish term - they guy is probably the best backup PG in the league. At the very least he is more important to the team's future than signing some scrub off Portland.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Twolves88 View Post
    Normally I would agree with you but I'm not so sure that we are that far away anymore. We had a good pick in Culver and if Wiggins can figure out just to be average that would be helpful. Roco is the glue guy every team needs. Its really time for towns to step up and say this is my team. He did this a bit last year for a stretch but hasn't been consistent enough. Teague is on a contract year so its likely he over preforms his career average to entice a future team.

    Some of the top heavy teams are really falling this year. GSW look vulnerable the rockets aren't necessarily getting younger. The two biggest threats in my opinion are really Utah and Denver. The division we play in might be the hardest division in all of basketball. If we can get into the playoffs we might have enough capacity to atleast make it competitive.

    I like Rosas new thought of trending towards a faster pace with more high opportunity shots.
    You are illustrating why we are so far away! If we are relying on development of Wiggins and emergence of RoCo to be average. That's not the goal.

    We need two more star or star potential players to compete. That's just the landscape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oefarmy2005 View Post
    This makes me think we are not signing Tyus long term - he is probably playing for the QO this year, and that is a big mistake. I don't think Tyus is starting caliber(yet), but he is definitely trending the right way. We absolutely need to sign him long-ish term - they guy is probably the best backup PG in the league. At the very least he is more important to the team's future than signing some scrub off Portland.
    Welcome to the Morey/Rosas school of thought though. They won't overpay role players. I would like to keep Tyus too, but part of it might simply be that Tyus believes he should start, and will look elsewhere if need be? You just can't pay backups big money when you are trying to create flexibility. Now if we had a legit team in place already, and he was our Shaun Livingston of 2016, then sure pay him. But you don't build the bench before you build that starting rotation.

    That said, I do like him. And frankly we have his rights so you want to sign the rest of the roster first before you address him anyways, so maybe that is all.we are doing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverson View Post
    So I watched two videos of Layman and the two names that popped to my mind were Budinger and to a lesser extent Szczerbiak. So I compared their per36 at 24, which is how old was Layman last year and were one of the best years for both Chase and Wally.

    So Layman's per36 last year was 5.9reb, 1.4 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.8 blocks, 14.7 ppg and .326% on 4.9 3p shots per game

    Chase's were 5 rebounds, 1,8 assists, 1 steal, 0.5 blocks, 15.3 ppg and .321 on 5.7 3p shots per game

    Wally's were 4.5 rebounds, 3 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.2 blocks, 17.7 ppg and .455 but only on 2.2 3p shots per game

    These don't mean a thing and comparing per36 stats is not a proper way to compare players. Still he kind of reminds me of a taller (6.9' Layman, 6.7' Chase) Budinger. Chase was more agile pre injuries, Layman seems stronger.
    Chase was a world class volleyball player with a 40' vert prior to his injuries. Good comparison.

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