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  1. #1156
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    we can't sign anyone to more than the minimum anyways. So we get the leftover scraps. With the money we gave Wiggins, Teague, Gibson, and Deng, there isn't anything left really to fill out the roster with Town's impending deal. Just is what it is. At this point, we just need to hope to sign a wing that can play a few minutes here and there, you know Thib's will play Wiggins/Butler 36 mpg anyways. If they get hurt, and our rookies can't perform, we are goners..
    It's an odd situation to be in though - I have this awful, awful feeling we're going to be seeing a lot of Rose at the 2 and Tolliver at the 3.

    I’d also bet just about anything that we’ll pick up Arron Afflalo because he was a good defender in 2010, but is terrible at this point.

    It annoys me that Thibs is happy to say how poor our bench is, but then does nothing to improve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specialiststeve View Post
    How dare Tib's put together a team that wins and puts us in the playoffs..... folks don't seem to understand getting talent to come to Minny is not easy.

    Teague many don't like and he had a hard time getting into the rhythm of Tib's system ... given. But there were games he was able to shine and had large contributions to winning games.

    Everyone loved the Gibson signing and now.... still a vet that has great value and a big reason we made the playoffs.

    Dieng at the time of his signing was given a contract at the "going rate" and given that we acquired Gibson and his minutes were sporadic at best ... well tough to be consistent.... there are worse contracts.

    Wiggins I agree we should have let the market determined his value but he also was coming off a good season and they made the commitment. Overpaid? Clearly at this point. But still a young talent that has time to be a two way player.

    No one seems to remember the last what 15 years we could not get quality players.... now we have some and folks complain like my teenage daughter.... We have a good team and will win games accept it.

    Hind sight is always a great way to take pot shots.... we can do better.

    All in all take a look at the playoff teams and the contracts that are tied to them. We are fine.
    We're a mediocre team with huge limitations though. Where does the improvement come from now? We're not a young team anymore. In fact we're an old one. Getting to the playoffs was a good thing for this team and for the fan base. But at what cost has it come? Our bench is appalling and so is our shooting.

    It's not about complaining, but having a realistic, unbiased look at the team.

    With the recent rumours of Butler wanting to leave at the end of the season, we could very, very realistically have one single asset (Towns) on our roster by this time next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specialiststeve View Post
    How dare Tib's put together a team that wins and puts us in the playoffs..... folks don't seem to understand getting talent to come to Minny is not easy.

    Teague many don't like and he had a hard time getting into the rhythm of Tib's system ... given. But there were games he was able to shine and had large contributions to winning games.

    Everyone loved the Gibson signing and now.... still a vet that has great value and a big reason we made the playoffs.

    Dieng at the time of his signing was given a contract at the "going rate" and given that we acquired Gibson and his minutes were sporadic at best ... well tough to be consistent.... there are worse contracts.

    Wiggins I agree we should have let the market determined his value but he also was coming off a good season and they made the commitment. Overpaid? Clearly at this point. But still a young talent that has time to be a two way player.

    No one seems to remember the last what 15 years we could not get quality players.... now we have some and folks complain like my teenage daughter.... We have a good team and will win games accept it.

    Hind sight is always a great way to take pot shots.... we can do better.

    All in all take a look at the playoff teams and the contracts that are tied to them. We are fine.
    well, some of us aren't satisfied with turning multiple high lottery picks (including two #1 picks) into first round exits. Teague as a mistake, period. But, he isn't our biggest problem. Gibson/Dieng is fine, just annoying that we basically are paying 2 guys good money to do the same thing, versus getting help elsewhere.

    Wiggins hasn't had a good season. Not one. He showed some promising things early (FT rate specifically), but that has disappeared entirely.

    We KNOW we can't get quality players. So when we draft correctly, and then turn it around and achieve a 45 win team instead of staying the course, it's frustrating.

    You are right, we should be happy. A Glen Taylor owned team won't contend. So being "good" should make us happy enough. MN sports fans, we all are. And it's annoying.

    If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellington19 View Post
    We're a mediocre team with huge limitations though. Where does the improvement come from now? We're not a young team anymore. In fact we're an old one. Getting to the playoffs was a good thing for this team and for the fan base. But at what cost has it come? Our bench is appalling and so is our shooting.

    It's not about complaining, but having a realistic, unbiased look at the team.

    With the recent rumours of Butler wanting to leave at the end of the season, we could very, very realistically have one single asset (Towns) on our roster by this time next year.
    every single thing we depend on (assuming we can retain Butler), is Wiggins/Towns improving a lot, and our rookies playing above their draft slots. Vet minimums aren't getting us winning players, we don't have LeBron and we aren't LA/NY/Chicago/GS.

    All our improvement comes from within. Which is why most of us are pissed at this team. If Towns starts guarding anyone, and learns to do more than score, and Wiggins becomes even average, then the team turns into a very good one.

    If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellington19 View Post
    It's an odd situation to be in though - I have this awful, awful feeling we're going to be seeing a lot of Rose at the 2 and Tolliver at the 3.

    I’d also bet just about anything that we’ll pick up Arron Afflalo because he was a good defender in 2010, but is terrible at this point.

    It annoys me that Thibs is happy to say how poor our bench is, but then does nothing to improve it.
    the Rose/Tyus backcourt will be on the floor. I will say, Tyus is sneaking up on me a bit. I think he will be a good backup for years. Rose, ugh. Whatever.

    You can't improve a bench if you never give it consistency. Our wings are going to play huge minutes this year.

    If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.

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    While it’s clearly too soon to write him off on the court, there are some hesitations about his potential as a brand endorser, according to several industry sources. Wiggins will likely be looking at offers ranging around half of what he signed for with Adidas as a rookie, with outside companies feeling “he’s signable,” according to a rival executive. Adidas may look to move on from the once-coveted teen phenom, according to industry sources, in favor of a push for a proven All-NBA talent like Kawhi Leonard, or to provide its younger emerging stars like Donovan Mitchell and Brandon Ingram more room to grow as they eclipse Wiggins’ marketability. 2 days ago – via ESPN

    Let's see if this will change his mind. If he has no pride as a player, let's see when he is losing money how he will react

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverson View Post
    While it’s clearly too soon to write him off on the court, there are some hesitations about his potential as a brand endorser, according to several industry sources. Wiggins will likely be looking at offers ranging around half of what he signed for with Adidas as a rookie, with outside companies feeling “he’s signable,” according to a rival executive. Adidas may look to move on from the once-coveted teen phenom, according to industry sources, in favor of a push for a proven All-NBA talent like Kawhi Leonard, or to provide its younger emerging stars like Donovan Mitchell and Brandon Ingram more room to grow as they eclipse Wiggins’ marketability. 2 days ago – via ESPN

    Let's see if this will change his mind. If he has no pride as a player, let's see when he is losing money how he will react
    while you are technically right, the dude is set to make well over $100 million for being a below average player. By age 26. At this point, is there really anything left to motivate a person who seems to not really have passion about anything? he will make more money than I or you could spend in a lifetime by 25 years old. Money isn't a concern now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    every single thing we depend on (assuming we can retain Butler), is Wiggins/Towns improving a lot, and our rookies playing above their draft slots. Vet minimums aren't getting us winning players, we don't have LeBron and we aren't LA/NY/Chicago/GS.

    All our improvement comes from within. Which is why most of us are pissed at this team. If Towns starts guarding anyone, and learns to do more than score, and Wiggins becomes even average, then the team turns into a very good one.
    Precisely.

    Going to be a weird sort of a year, but next offseason is massive for us.

    I mean Butler decides whether we're a 30-35 win team or a 45-50 win team, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    the Rose/Tyus backcourt will be on the floor. I will say, Tyus is sneaking up on me a bit. I think he will be a good backup for years. Rose, ugh. Whatever.

    You can't improve a bench if you never give it consistency. Our wings are going to play huge minutes this year.
    The Rose/Jones backcourt performed better than I thought it would in small minutes last year, but it's not something you want to see too often.

    Tyus is is great - my favorite thing to watch last season was the two-man game that emerged between he and Belly, I loved watching those two play together.

    As much as I love Tyus though, the reality is he may well be our SECOND most valuable asset by this time next year. That is very, very worrying for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellington19 View Post
    The Rose/Jones backcourt performed better than I thought it would in small minutes last year, but it's not something you want to see too often.

    Tyus is is great - my favorite thing to watch last season was the two-man game that emerged between he and Belly, I loved watching those two play together.

    As much as I love Tyus though, the reality is he may well be our SECOND most valuable asset by this time next year. That is very, very worrying for me.
    agree with all of it. I do think Tyus would need to take another step for us to worry about him leaving. He clearly can start, but wouldn't be good at it long term. But always sell high on a player, so if he does shoot up value wise, trade him.

    If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.

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    Patton broke his other foot this week per Johnny Athletic. Unbelievable...


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    I really feel sorry for Patton. For his sake, I hope he can fully recover. Embiid missed the first two years. Maybe there is hope for Justin also.

    Just another reminder of all the great talent we passed on to pick him though.

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    Looking at the other teams rosters, if you take a step back our team is not that bad.
    Take a look at the bench. Tyus, Rose, Okogie, Deng, Bates-Diop, Tolliver, Dieng and Nunnally as well had a good showing in Europe.
    IF we had someone who could use them properly this would be good. But we don't and that's one of the problems. Add to this that our starting 5 are not balanced and you see why we are in this situation

    P.s. Speaking of Nunnally I saw a poll today on who was the best player that left Euroleague this year for the NBA and Nunnally was one of the 5 players of the list. Of course Doncic was first but even his inclusion gives you an idea of how good he was.
    Video of his highlights:
    https://youtu.be/LEPdnfBa0m8
    Last edited by silverson; 09-21-2018 at 06:07 AM.

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    Karl-Anthony Towns - F/C - Timberwolves
    Karl-Anthony Towns and the Wolves have agreed to a five-year, $190 million super-maximum extension, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.com.

    He's the toast of the Towns. In what has been a week of bad news in Minnesota, the Wolves finally lock up one of the best young players in the NBA. Despite some controversy, there was almost no doubt that the Wolves were going to sign Towns because it's almost impossible for KAT to turn down this type of money. Sure, he's been the most durable player in the NBA with his 82-82-82 games-played log per season, but now he has financial security for life. With Jimmy Butler headed out of town, KAT is likely set for a career year after he's improved his efficiency, free throw rate and several other stats in each of his three seasons.
    Via Rotonews.....

    We all knew it was coming.. wonder if that is why Butler was pissed off.....

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