General/Off-topic discussion

[GGGGG-Men]

Here’s the tweet btw: https://twitter.com/michaelavenatti/...958305280?s=21

[benny01]

I’m resolved to the fact that Trump will win a second term so we may as well make the debates entertaining. Biden could be good but he’s slowing down. Avenatti would at least be entertaining.

Yeah, we disagree on the second term, I don’t know how you get there. But thise are opinions. Entertaining debates would be pure fact.lol

[GGGGG-Men]

Yeah, we disagree on the second term, I don’t know how you get there. But thise are opinions. Entertaining debates would be pure fact.lol

I don't even believe the Dems will win the House or Senate, so I have a hard time seeing them develop any kind of clear message or leadership when they can't even control the narrative in the press, ever. We'll see.

I also think there's no way Avenatti could win a primary. Not when Biden and Kamala Harris will likely get all the coverage and help from the DNC.

[benny01]

I don't even believe the Dems will win the House or Senate, so I have a hard time seeing them develop any kind of clear message or leadership when they can't even control the narrative in the press, ever. We'll see.

I also think there's no way Avenatti could win a primary. Not when Biden and Kamala Harris will likely get all the coverage and help from the DNC.

All fair. I just see his support eroding where I am from people I didn’t expect it from, and not in a wishy washy way. I think his turn out will be the same or slightly diminished with a strong turnout from the left.

Agree on avenatti, and them Dems being a mess.

[GGGGG-Men]

All fair. I just see his support eroding where I am from people I didn’t expect it from, and not in a wishy washy way. I think his turn out will be the same or slightly diminished with a strong turnout from the left.

Agree on avenatti, and them Dems being a mess.

I would hope you are right and I know there's really just a committed base of 30-40%, but on election day, they have no problem rallying behind someone they hate to just to keep out the other side, especially if there's a female Dem candidate. Man oh man do they hate female democrats. Trump could be delivering the RNC address via satellite from his impeachment trial, and they'd vote for him over an outspoken female liberal. That's my concern about Kamala Harris, though she is still likely their best option.

Bernie was on MSNBC last night saying he wouldn't accept the Democrat nomination. That speaks to multiple issues:

1 - To the progressive wing of the party fully giving up on the DNC after they not only rigged a primary for Hillary, but kicked out anyone that supported Bernie from the DNC and any strategic messaging for the party.

2 - A sign that the Dems will just do their usual "stay the course" move, which happens to be a losing course and put up some mannequin with a pulse in 2020.

3 - It means that Bernie could (and I think WILL) run in 2020 as an independent and lock up a GOP win. That is, unless the rumors about Romney or someone else possibly running against Trump and splitting the party are true. We could conceivably (as crazy and unlikely as it sounds) have 4 major candidates in the general (An est GOPer, Trump, Bernie and an est Dem) along with whatever sideshow act the Libertarian party puts up (no offense to Gary Johnson voters in here, but really come on....Weld should have had the lead on that ticket).

[warfelg]

Here’s a fun one. Adults with blonde hair and blue eyes make up 8% of the US population....and 98% of Fox News hosts.

[warfelg]

I would hope you are right and I know there's really just a committed base of 30-40%, but on election day, they have no problem rallying behind someone they hate to just to keep out the other side, especially if there's a female Dem candidate. Man oh man do they hate female democrats. Trump could be delivering the RNC address via satellite from his impeachment trial, and they'd vote for him over an outspoken female liberal. That's my concern about Kamala Harris, though she is still likely their best option.

Bernie was on MSNBC last night saying he wouldn't accept the Democrat nomination. That speaks to multiple issues:

1 - To the progressive wing of the party fully giving up on the DNC after they not only rigged a primary for Hillary, but kicked out anyone that supported Bernie from the DNC and any strategic messaging for the party.

2 - A sign that the Dems will just do their usual "stay the course" move, which happens to be a losing course and put up some mannequin with a pulse in 2020.

3 - It means that Bernie could (and I think WILL) run in 2020 as an independent and lock up a GOP win. That is, unless the rumors about Romney or someone else possibly running against Trump and splitting the party are true. We could conceivably (as crazy and unlikely as it sounds) have 4 major candidates in the general (An est GOPer, Trump, Bernie and an est Dem) along with whatever sideshow act the Libertarian party puts up (no offense to Gary Johnson voters in here, but really come on....Weld should have had the lead on that ticket).

On point 3: we need that really happening in Congress. And not staying within the party, but rather the GOD-non-Trump person running as an independent. Then for them to hold true to that and not party vote.

As for the Libitarian/Gary Johnson vote, as I was one of them, I agree he wasn’t the best guy for it. But for Dems/GOPers that I know that voted for him, it was about fighting the system where the party only gets the debate/funding if the party gets a certain percent of the votes in the general election. So for many of us it was big to get votes so the party can get funded properly and get the exposure to make a real impact.

In fact if Bernie gets bent over by Dems again I would welcome him with open arms to take the Libitarian nomination.

[GGGGG-Men]

On point 3: we need that really happening in Congress. And not staying within the party, but rather the GOD-non-Trump person running as an independent. Then for them to hold true to that and not party vote.

As for the Libitarian/Gary Johnson vote, as I was one of them, I agree he wasn’t the best guy for it. But for Dems/GOPers that I know that voted for him, it was about fighting the system where the party only gets the debate/funding if the party gets a certain percent of the votes in the general election. So for many of us it was big to get votes so the party can get funded properly and get the exposure to make a real impact.

In fact if Bernie gets bent over by Dems again I would welcome him with open arms to take the Libitarian nomination.

I get the Libertarian vote, I just really think Weld should have been the lead. Much more polished.


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[GGGGG-Men]

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[FlakeyFool]

I can't see bernie running as a third party candidate. If that was his plan, he should be focus on propping up a third party right now and not helping democrats. I love bernie but he's just not a good "politician"

[dbroncos78087]

I can't see bernie running as a third party candidate. If that was his plan, he should be focus on propping up a third party right now and not helping democrats. I love bernie but he's just not a good "politician"

Bernie definitely won't run as a third party. He knows that will just ensure that the GOP candidate gets elected. He should have been nominated as the VP of the ticket not Tim Kaine.

[WES445]

Bernie definitely won't run as a third party. He knows that will just ensure that the GOP candidate gets elected. He should have been nominated as the VP of the ticket not Tim Kaine.

No bs. To this day, I could never understand Clinton's logic of bringing someone to the ticket that is more conservative then herself. It was a slap in the progressive wing of the party's face. Did nothing to bring the party together. Maybe in her arrogance, she felt she didn't need them to beat Trump. Or her corporate big money donor told her which way the wind blow, shut out the progressive.

[Ezekial]

I'm guessing they wanted to appeal to the side that didn't want Trump and hate socialism, thinking she'd get the vast vast majority of the left either way. Gotta get the people out to vote for you, though.

[benny01]

Bernie definitely won't run as a third party. He knows that will just ensure that the GOP candidate gets elected. He should have been nominated as the VP of the ticket not Tim Kaine.

I honestly don’t think he gives a ****, nor should he. They can come to him or they can lose.

[benny01]

No bs. To this day, I could never understand Clinton's logic of bringing someone to the ticket that is more conservative then herself. It was a slap in the progressive wing of the party's face. Did nothing to bring the party together. Maybe in her arrogance, she felt she didn't need them to beat Trump. Or her corporate big money donor told her which way the wind blow, shut out the progressive.

And this is why he doesn’t give a ****