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  1. #1
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    What does the Cavs team need to look like in order to beat GSW next season?

    With the moves GSW have made, it does't look like the rest of the league has much of a chance without some series changes. I don't think a team without Lebron can beat them.

    What kind of changes would the Cavs have to make to beat them?

    Hypothetically of course...

    PG Kyrie
    SG JR
    SF Lebron
    PF Blake
    C Cousins

    If the Cavs were able to move Love, and Tristan and some pieces to acquire Blake and Cousins, would this team beat GSW.

    What moves can Cleveland make to get it done. What do they need to do to get it done, realistically or unrealistically.

    Are there any other teams that have the means or the pieces to acquire the talent and fit it would take to beat GSW?
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    Trade Tristan? Lmao, that is stupid. Tristan's game 100% works better with LeBron than Blake. He's a beast on the boards and defensively, is better than Blake. The only piece they need to work on is Love. I don't even think they need J.R. Smith if he's going to cost them that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlashBolt View Post
    Trade Tristan? Lmao, that is stupid. Tristan's game 100% works better with LeBron than Blake. He's a beast on the boards and defensively, is better than Blake. The only piece they need to work on is Love. I don't even think they need J.R. Smith if he's going to cost them that much.
    Well there's no way Cleveland turns Thompson into Griffin any ways. If the Clippers ever agreed to anything around those two the Cavs make that trade before they hang up the phone. You take the top end talent and worry about fit later.


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    They just need to keep doing what they are doing. Everybody is saying the same thing that they were last year "Warriors are unbeatable" and they still lost. They still have the best player on the planet (by a long shot) and Kyrie will be better so that gives you a definite chance. They dont need Cousins or Blake. They have the right players to compliment Lebron and Kyrie in addition to a full year under Lue. They are the reigning champs, no need to panic before the season even starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlashBolt View Post
    Trade Tristan? Lmao, that is stupid. Tristan's game 100% works better with LeBron than Blake. He's a beast on the boards and defensively, is better than Blake. The only piece they need to work on is Love. I don't even think they need J.R. Smith if he's going to cost them that much.
    I'm not so sure about that. I think Blake and Lebron would be so versatile. I don't see the rebounding between Tristan and Blake that big if Blake was able to concentrate more on it.

    Then secondly offensively Blake would be throwing Lebron Alley-oops amongst a variety of other offensive gains from acquiring Lebron. Both get offensively more efficient playing with each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by da ThRONe View Post
    Well there's no way Cleveland turns Thompson into Griffin any ways. If the Clippers ever agreed to anything around those two the Cavs make that trade before they hang up the phone. You take the top end talent and worry about fit later.
    In this particular scenario, I 100% agree with all of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAZZNC View Post
    They just need to keep doing what they are doing. Everybody is saying the same thing that they were last year "Warriors are unbeatable" and they still lost. They still have the best player on the planet (by a long shot) and Kyrie will be better so that gives you a definite chance. They dont need Cousins or Blake. They have the right players to compliment Lebron and Kyrie in addition to a full year under Lue. They are the reigning champs, no need to panic before the season even starts.
    I'm not so sure about this either. If Drayomnd doesn't get suspened and if Bogut doesn't get injured, I don't like the Cav's chances to win that series. But it did happen, and Lebron just played on a one of a kind level, Kyrie was probably the second best player in the series performance wise, and Curry didn't play his best.

    Now I am fine banking on Lebron playing at unseen levels. I actually feel that we can bank on the finals Kyrie to be at least that next year as long as he doesn't get hurt(which is my greatest concern with Kyrie). I don't want to bank on Draymond screwing it up again, not going to bank on Curry playing bad, I'm not going to bank on injuries to key players on GSW. If one of those things did't happen during that last finals, GSW wins. Not to mention they just added Durant.

    The Cavs IMHO need to do something, and I think Lebron believes this as well. I don't see the Cavs beating GS as currently constructed. As good as Lebron was in those finals, he's been better in other series and lost. Its all about the collective effort of each team, and I don't think the Cavs will have enough after Kyrie and Lebron to beat a team with that much talent on it. I've seen too much talent overwhelm not enough help, while Bron puts up 36/13/9 for the series.
    Last edited by IKnowHoops; 08-07-2016 at 06:23 PM.
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    D. Rob gives the Clippers 71/14
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    Acquiring both Blake and Cousins would be impossible.

    Even a trade for Cousins would be extremely difficult. Here's a dream 3-team trade scenario for me:

    Kings send out: DeMarcus Cousins, Darren Collison, Rudy Gay
    Kings receive: Kevin Love, Jrue Holiday, Iman Shumpert, Jordan Mcrae, Cavs 2019 2nd rnd pick, cash considerations

    Pelicans send out: Jrue Holiday
    Pelicans receive: Rudy Gay, Mo Williams, Cavs 2020 2nd round pick

    Cavs send out: Kevin Love, Iman Shumpert, Jordan McRae, Mo Williams, 2019 2nd round pick, 2020 2nd round pick, cash considerations
    Cavs receive: DeMarcus Cousins, Darren Collison


    PG: Irving/Collison/Felder
    SG: Smith/Dunleavy
    SF: James/Jefferson/Jones
    PF: Thompson/Frye
    C: Cousins/Birdman

    Now THAT team could possibly beat the Warriors. We'd have to fill out 3 more roster spots with free agents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vee-Rex View Post
    Acquiring both Blake and Cousins would be impossible.

    Even a trade for Cousins would be extremely difficult. Here's a dream 3-team trade scenario for me:

    Kings send out: DeMarcus Cousins, Darren Collison, Rudy Gay
    Kings receive: Kevin Love, Jrue Holiday, Iman Shumpert, Jordan Mcrae, Cavs 2019 2nd rnd pick, cash considerations

    Pelicans send out: Jrue Holiday
    Pelicans receive: Rudy Gay, Mo Williams, Cavs 2020 2nd round pick

    Cavs send out: Kevin Love, Iman Shumpert, Jordan McRae, Mo Williams, 2019 2nd round pick, 2020 2nd round pick, cash considerations
    Cavs receive: DeMarcus Cousins, Darren Collison


    PG: Irving/Collison/Felder
    SG: Smith/Dunleavy
    SF: James/Jefferson/Jones
    PF: Thompson/Frye
    C: Cousins/Birman

    Now THAT team could possibly beat the Warriors. We'd have to fill out 3 more roster spots with free agents.
    What about Triston, Dunleavy, Collison for Blake at that point?
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    [QUOTE=IKnowHoops;31111908]I'm not so sure about this either. If Drayomnd doesn't get suspened and if Bogut doesn't get injured, I don't like the Cav's chances to win that series. But it did happen, and Lebron just played on a one of a kind level, Kyrie was probably the second best player in the series performance wise, and Curry didn't play his best.

    Blah blah blah. If Kyrie and Kevin Love played in the finals two years ago, the Cavs would be back to back champs. People forget that the Warriors had to sign someone to beat the Cavs.

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    Why are you penciling the GSW into the finals already? The Warriors lost 6 rotational pieces... They're not some well oiled machine. The only thing about them that has played together is Klay, Steph and Dray... Everything else has to be worked out and figured out.

    When you have Klay saying he isn't going to sacrifice... Like dude you are easily the 3rd or 4th best player on this team, sit down and shut up so you can TRY to get another ring. You can't just have all these dudes chucking up shots with no one wanted to do the dirty work(Tristan Thompson for the Cavs).

    The Warriors getting KD is going to blow up in their face just like getting Nash and Dwight blew up in the Lakers face. There is 1 basketball, and when you have these little ego manics not wanting to share it people get pissed off because they know they are much better than "King Klay".

    I'm not penciling the GSW into the finals and neither should you, or anyone else for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clint Olbrock View Post
    Why are you penciling the GSW into the finals already? The Warriors lost 6 rotational pieces... They're not some well oiled machine. The only thing about them that has played together is Klay, Steph and Dray... Everything else has to be worked out and figured out.

    When you have Klay saying he isn't going to sacrifice... Like dude you are easily the 3rd or 4th best player on this team, sit down and shut up so you can TRY to get another ring. You can't just have all these dudes chucking up shots with no one wanted to do the dirty work(Tristan Thompson for the Cavs).

    The Warriors getting KD is going to blow up in their face just like getting Nash and Dwight blew up in the Lakers face. There is 1 basketball, and when you have these little ego manics not wanting to share it people get pissed off because they know they are much better than "King Klay".

    I'm not penciling the GSW into the finals and neither should you, or anyone else for that matter.
    Your forgetting Iggy and Shaun Livingston who were there two main contributors off the bench. They lost Barbosa, Barnes and Bogut of the people the actually mattered to there success, and they gained Kevin Durant, West, Zaza. They will mis Bogut but the rest will not matter at all. Barbosa maybe you'll miss him 4-5 times per year for about 8 minutes a game. But there gains outweigh what they miss. Its a net positive transaction easily. If Zaza can equal Bogut on defense then they will have lost nothing and gained a crap ton offensively. I am penciling them in buddy. Barring injury its going to be them and Cleveland again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    Your forgetting Iggy and Shaun Livingston who were there two main contributors off the bench. They lost Barbosa, Barnes and Bogut of the people the actually mattered to there success, and they gained Kevin Durant, West, Zaza. They will mis Bogut but the rest will not matter at all. Barbosa maybe you'll miss him 4-5 times per year for about 8 minutes a game. But there gains outweigh what they miss. Its a net positive transaction easily. If Zaza can equal Bogut on defense then they will have lost nothing and gained a crap ton offensively. I am penciling them in buddy. Barring injury its going to be them and Cleveland again.
    I'm not, I don't think you should either. If no one is willing to sacrifice as the bone heads have already said they won't, it isn't going to work. They gained West, so what? He doesn't fit at all, unless he is playing the 5. 1 of Livingston or Iggy will get cut out of the equation all together.

    Their "death lineup" can't even function the same because KD and Curry both suck at defense.

    On paper, sure they're great. Probably even in a video game. They aren't going to be basement dwellers but to think they lost 6 rotational pieces and got back 1 ISO player. The fit sucks, they haven't even played 1 game together and the idiots are already fighting over touches.

    Bunch of selfish egotistical players, they aren't titled to nothing.

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    IMO I believe the Cavs need to add depth to their team. I think its too late for them to try and trade Love along with other players to get Cousins and fill the roster with whatever is left in free agency. Not much left out there.

    I think they should trade Love and get 2-3 good players to add depth to their team. LBJ makes good players around him better or average players good. I think Love is still best suited to be a 2nd option. But who knows for how much longer. Best to move him soon, his skills are decreasing and his salary is increasing.

    Just an example - Love to Sac for Gay & Koufas or something along those lines. To Boston for Johnson, Crowder & Young.

    Just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    What about Triston, Dunleavy, Collison for Blake at that point?
    Why not Kay Felder for Blake straight up?

    More seriously, you gotta have the assets to give a team to get a player of Griffin/Cousins caliber in return. Generally those kind of stars demand a boatload of good draft picks (something the Cavs don't have) along with young, high-ceiling/all-star potential talent (something the Cavs don't have).

    The only reason there are even rumors about Cousins to the Cavs is because it would involve an all-star talent in Kevin Love, otherwise the Kings are hanging up the phone every time (I'm hearing they're pretty much doing that right now at this point). So if by some miracle they did accept a deal for Cousins involving Love, we don't have nowhere near the assets to also acquire Blake Griffin.

    Why trade Blake Griffin for a one-way player in Thompson, a 35-year old oft-injured player in Dunleavy, and a quasi-backup point guard in Collison when Doc could certainly flip Blake for some great draft picks and young, promising talent. If the Clips trade Blake they'll be looking to rebuild, not re-tool.

    I love speculating but I highly doubt any kind of trade involving Love is gonna happen. The Cavs seem content with staying put with our championship roster, and I can't really blame them much for it.
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