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    Superman: The Man of Yesterday

    Slick reference there for the comic book/DC geeks^


    So, Dwight Howard aka Superman is a free agent this year. I was mulling this over earlier and I've realised something. Who would actually want him?

    On the surface if you told me there was a 6'10, 265lb center who could net you around 15 ppg and 12 rpg and is also a three time former DPOY, 4 time All-Defensive first team selection and a 5 time all NBA first team selection... who wouldn't want him?

    But then there's the drama, this is a man who as a rookie wanted to "raise the name of God within the league and throughout the world". And has since been accused of having multiple illegitimate children (last count was 8 I believe?) and even abusing one of them. Oh and he tried to sue his baby momma for over $500 million for defamation of character, by telling everyone he was the father.

    And that's just a portion of the off court stuff. Never mind this guy is wanting at least 14 FGA per game in an inside-out style offense similar to Orlando (which is odd that he thinks the system was so great after he got his coach fired).

    Seriously, who is going to sign this man? Atlanta for the home town scenario? But their selfless team play wouldn't suit a player like Dwight. New York? Why bother, he'll get even less shots there. Lakers? Nope. Any legitimate contender? Doubtful. Maybe OKC if for some strange reason Durant wants him there before resigning.

    So... where is he going? Or will he stay in Houston and perfect his plethora of post moves such as his infamous Drama Shake?
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    What does his religion and raising illigitimate kids have anything to do with one another? And especially, what does that have to do with basketball? lol

    I was with you until you brought up his religion. I think a team like Charlotte, Washington or even Portland could use a guy like Dwight.

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    Boston makes the most sense. He would go right to a contending team full of talented guards/wings and a phenomenal coach.

    Dallas would be a great fit as well. Another good team with no one clogging up the paint on him.

    Is it a guarantee he leaves Houston?


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    Quote Originally Posted by COOLbeans View Post
    What does his religion and raising illigitimate kids have anything to do with one another? And especially, what does that have to do with basketball? lol

    I was with you until you brought up his religion. I think a team like Charlotte, Washington or even Portland could use a guy like Dwight.
    It's hypocritical to preach a Christian lifestyle while doing what he does.

    When you sign a player you have to take into account who they are off the court. Do you really want a guy who betrays his entire beliefs in a heartbeat and abuses his son then tries to sue his girlfriend for 500 million? This all points to a bad person.

    If you worked with someone who claimed to be a devout christian and it ended up he was hitting his kid with a belt and had seven other illegitimate children would you really trust him?

    It has everything to do with basketball. These teams don't just sign you because you can play, if you're a headache off the court and a horrible human being odds are you will have to be GOAT level for most teams to consider you (look at Shaq and Jordan for example).
    Aside from the 80s. The NBA has never been this good.

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    To call out his Christianity or parenting is uncalled for. Stop judging unless you want to be judged.

    On the basketball court he's not the good Ol Orlando Dwight. That day is dead.

    Even so big men are so extinct that some desperate foolish team will overpay him. Not as much as he wants but still one last good payday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Starks View Post
    To call out his Christianity or parenting is uncalled for.
    No it isn't. This is a business. If a man is willing to betray his entire belief system seemingly overnight, how can you trust him not to betray you? It's a business decision, if anything it's what he does on the court that's completely irrelevant. I don't think you understand how the business side of this league works.

    Acting out, having multiple illegitimate children etc all points to a person who can't settle (won't stay with your team), has no loyalty (won't stay with your team) and is prone to bad decision making, immature (not good for business). And then he does these things, and more, betraying his beliefs. That looks like a man with no integrity or gumption. It makes him look weak minded and weak willed. Not to mention the negative press and how it effects potential earnings off his name (that's how you make your money, off the players name).

    That is a much bigger factor to a GM/Owner than his per game averages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gander13SM View Post
    Slick reference there for the comic book/DC geeks^


    So, Dwight Howard aka Superman is a free agent this year. I was mulling this over earlier and I've realised something. Who would actually want him?

    On the surface if you told me there was a 6'10, 265lb center who could net you around 15 ppg and 12 rpg and is also a three time former DPOY, 4 time All-Defensive first team selection and a 5 time all NBA first team selection... who wouldn't want him?

    But then there's the drama, this is a man who as a rookie wanted to "raise the name of God within the league and throughout the world". And has since been accused of having multiple illegitimate children (last count was 8 I believe?) and even abusing one of them. Oh and he tried to sue his baby momma for over $500 million for defamation of character, by telling everyone he was the father.

    And that's just a portion of the off court stuff. Never mind this guy is wanting at least 14 FGA per game in an inside-out style offense similar to Orlando (which is odd that he thinks the system was so great after he got his coach fired).

    Seriously, who is going to sign this man? Atlanta for the home town scenario? But their selfless team play wouldn't suit a player like Dwight. New York? Why bother, he'll get even less shots there. Lakers? Nope. Any legitimate contender? Doubtful. Maybe OKC if for some strange reason Durant wants him there before resigning.

    So... where is he going? Or will he stay in Houston and perfect his plethora of post moves such as his infamous Drama Shake?
    Plenty of teams would want him but not at this past deadline price since he gave no indication of opting in his final year of his current deal, drama comes with all sports, the best or top tier usually warrant the most media hyped drama, lesser known/accomplished players don't, just look at his resume you posted, that is not a average player of his generation, rather you agree or not

    its plenty of players that have illegitimate children from all sports its just his got leaked, nothing new under the sun there, there is nothing wrong with raising the name of YAH throughout the world since we all should know the laws of YAH(you call it falsely GOD,thats a title like LORD)

    14 FPG is peanuts when paying a guy on a current max deal and its not like this system in Houston is too far off from Orlando version, Harden is just better than others he played with there as a solo act

    Seriously who wont be putting out offers for him if he opts out and becomes free to sign? Knicks or Nets or Rockets or Spurs(Duncan is pretty much done) or Mavs or Blazers and so on and on, now at what price is more of a question

    Magic got his coach fired by in his early days so that's been going on for 30yrs and further back with players like Wilt I would imagine

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    OP went off on a crazy tangent.

    Anyway, Dwight can be a good fit with Charlotte. I mentioned this a few weeks back and still believe it.

    He's a big upgrade over Big Al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gander13SM View Post
    No it isn't. This is a business. If a man is willing to betray his entire belief system seemingly overnight, how can you trust him not to betray you? It's a business decision, if anything it's what he does on the court that's completely irrelevant. I don't think you understand how the business side of this league works.

    Acting out, having multiple illegitimate children etc all points to a person who can't settle (won't stay with your team), has no loyalty (won't stay with your team) and is prone to bad decision making, immature (not good for business). And then he does these things, and more, betraying his beliefs. That looks like a man with no integrity or gumption. It makes him look weak minded and weak willed. Not to mention the negative press and how it effects potential earnings off his name (that's how you make your money, off the players name).

    That is a much bigger factor to a GM/Owner than his per game averages.
    Religion is different man, it's why it's not allowed here. People betray their religious beliefs every day(often without knowing it), I'm willing to bet business operators are the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronz View Post
    Religion is different man, it's why it's not allowed here. People betray their religious beliefs every day(often without knowing it), I'm willing to bet business operators are the same way.
    Most likely. But they're not the ones in the limelight, they're not the ones the people are going to judge.

    Also I don't see why religion is off limits or why "it's different". Your religion is irrelevant, your ability to stand by your beliefs shows a high level of integrity, loyalty and faith. Traits Dwight is missing.

    Again, if you're going into business with someone do you want a guy with the traits of Dwight? Blaming everyone else for his issues, immature, poor decision maker, no loyalty, no integrity, abusing his kid, betraying his beliefs, stirring the ****?

    Who is desperate enough to risk the future of their franchise by signing someone with so many personal and emotional issues? That's what I'm asking. I'm not judging I'm saying who he is off the court reflects badly on him and hinders his value on the court. There's plenty of centers who can do what he's doing and don't come with half the baggage or any of the drama.
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    How is his past/personal issues not relevant? Its 100 percent ****ing relevant... When you are investing in a free agent all of this stuff matters and all the people on their high horse about this are the same ones who throw Kobe under the bus/Iverson under the bus/Lebron under the buss every chance they get with some kind of off the field drama...

    Its relevant period so just stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COOLbeans View Post
    What does his religion and raising illigitimate kids have anything to do with one another? And especially, what does that have to do with basketball? lol

    I was with you until you brought up his religion. I think a team like Charlotte, Washington or even Portland could use a guy like Dwight.
    Most would assume a vocal advocate of increasing the image of Christianity would not be taking such careless care of his seed Every sperm is sacred.

    Professional athletes who have a lot of children by multiple women tend to have attention issues and bring issues to the team that employs them. There is a clear trend. So that is an issue with his future contract.

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    Dwight's physical ability is certainly not what it once was either.

    And not much heart at times and more often than before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBE8gczjfaA

    He gets caught cheating and his response is "I've never been a cheater"

    He loses a playoff series, something every great player has had happen, and his response is "I'm still a champion"

    He makes a low effort attempt on a play and blames teammates.

    KD, Shaq, and Gary Payton have all called him out for being weak mentally, Kareem flat out called him stupid.

    He's opting out of nearly $24M to get another big contract where he thinks he will be the center of attention ... but his game hasn't really grown in years.

    He's good, but he's not good enough to wipe away all the on/off court stuff you have to deal with with him AND pay him a max contract. No way.

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    Let's keep this on-topic and not discuss religion. If you're questioning Dwight's morality and his honesty and how that can impact his brand, a franchise if they sign him, and his production/team's production on the court that's fine.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Shammyguy3 View Post
    Let's keep this on-topic and not discuss religion. If you're questioning Dwight's morality and his honesty and how that can impact his brand, a franchise if they sign him, and his production/team's production on the court that's fine.
    I didn't think anybody was discussing religion itself, just that he was religious when convenient. Is that okay?

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