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  1. #31
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    Strategy for the offseason:

    We need to shore up our line, get Teddy someone to throw to and lock up our defensive studs long-term. With this off season I'd say less is more. I'm not of the opinion that it makes any sense to cut Peterson. We won't be able to get the free agent stars that would merit it. Cutting him just for the sake of it is insane. Unless you can reallocate that money in a great way it's a non-starter for me. You cut dead weight. You don't cut just to save money unless you have a need to spend that money elsewhere. We are not that team.

    Cut:
    WR, Mike Wallace - Wallace is overpaid for what he produces at this point in his career in our offense. Releasing him saves lots of money that we can use to fix our offensive line.
    K, Blair Walsh - I like the guy but he's regressed a lot since his rookie year. He commands too much money for what he produced this year and we can find a better, cheaper option in the draft.

    Sign:
    G, Kelechi Osemele - 5 year / $40 million contract ($8 million per year) We need to improve our pass protection. With Osemele we get the best LG money can by. I expect him to have a similar impact to what Hutchinson did when we brought him in years ago to shore up the line.

    Trade:
    4th and 7th Round Pick for WR, Josh Gordon - We take a bit of a risk, but the reward with someone like Gordon is off the charts. A true #1 superstar WR who is only going to be 25 this year. He can probably be had for a mid-round pick. I'd take that chance.

    Draft:
    1. LB, Myles Jack, UCLA - reunite Barr and Kendricks with another Bruin. One of the top LBs in the class. Would be great rotating in with Greenway as he learns the ropes.
    2. SS, Jayron Kearse, Clemson - a nice SS to pair beside Harrison Smith to improve upon our already incredible defense.
    3. OT, Kyle Murphy, Stanford - a nice project T to groom alongside T.J. Clemmings. Depending how Kalil and Loadholt bounce back we let Murphy and Clemmings handle the backup duties. If both Kalil and Loadholt are outplayed, then we have a few young guys ready to step up. Long term they open up the opportunity for us to cut Kalil and Loadholt and save significant money.
    5. K, Roberto Aguayo, Florida State - best kicker in college football. May not last until this point but we could use the upgrade. Ultimately it's not often you can get a high impact player at this point anyway so you might as well get the best kicker we can.
    6. NT, D.J. Reader, Clemson - big athletic body. Could be a nice depth piece as a run stopping NT.

    QB - Teddy Bridgewater, Shaun Hill, Taylor Heinicke
    RB - Adrian Peterson, Jerick McKinnon, Matt Asiata
    FB - Zach Line
    WR - Josh Gordon, Charles Johnson, Cordarelle Patterson (KR Specialist)
    WR - Stefon Diggs, Jarius Wright, Adam Thielen
    TE - Kyle Rudolph, Rhett Ellison, Mucole Pruitt
    LT - Matt Kalil, T.J. Clemmings
    LG - Kelechi Osemele, David Yankey
    C - John Sullivan, Joe Berger
    RG - Brandon Fusco, Mike Harris
    RT - Phil Loadholt, Kyle Murphy

    DE - Danielle Hunter, Brian Robison
    DT - Sharrif Floyd, Tom Johnson
    NT - Linval Joseph, D.J. Reader
    DE - Everson Griffen, Scott Crichton
    SLB - Anthony Barr, Casey Mathhews
    MLB - Eric Kendricks, Audie Cole
    WLB - Myles Jack, Chad Greenway
    LCB - Trae Waynes, Terence Newman, Josh Robinson
    SS - Jayron Kearse, Andrew Sendejo
    FS - Harrison Smith, Anthony Harris
    RCB - Xavier Rhodes, Captain Munnerlyn, Marcus Sherels

    K - Roberto Aguayo
    P - Jeff Locke

  2. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiPasquale7 View Post
    Strategy for the offseason:

    K, Blair Walsh - I like the guy but he's regressed a lot since his rookie year. He commands too much money for what he produced this year and we can find a better, cheaper option in the draft.
    Unfortunately Blairs unbelievable rookie year left very high expectations for him. While last year he did have a rough year I thought he bounced back very nicely this year. Yes he had 4 missed Xp's which is not good but he only missed 5 FG's (2 from 50+) all season. He was still around 11th in terms of accuracy.

    To say we can find a better cheaper options is just not going to happen. Walsh would be on the FA market for 5 minutes if we cut him.

    We do need to cut Locke however. He has been terrible. Add that he can't handle a snap now too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacofunk64 View Post
    Unfortunately Blairs unbelievable rookie year left very high expectations for him. While last year he did have a rough year I thought he bounced back very nicely this year. Yes he had 4 missed Xp's which is not good but he only missed 5 FG's (2 from 50+) all season. He was still around 11th in terms of accuracy.

    To say we can find a better cheaper options is just not going to happen. Walsh would be on the FA market for 5 minutes if we cut him.

    We do need to cut Locke however. He has been terrible. Add that he can't handle a snap now too.
    Agree with this completely, not to mention the dead money that Blair's deal would leave if you cut him. Locke has been the worst punter ever since he's been in the league, I wanted to give the guy the benefit of the doubt but he is just bad.

    I think Wallace gets restructured or he gets cut. Sounds like Zimmer really likes him and will push for him but if Wallace isn't willing to meet what we want for a contract, he needs to go.

    Teddy "Throwsevelt" Bridgewater

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    Quote Originally Posted by CubbyJoe View Post
    Agree with this completely, not to mention the dead money that Blair's deal would leave if you cut him. Locke has been the worst punter ever since he's been in the league, I wanted to give the guy the benefit of the doubt but he is just bad.

    I think Wallace gets restructured or he gets cut. Sounds like Zimmer really likes him and will push for him but if Wallace isn't willing to meet what we want for a contract, he needs to go.
    Ya I was willing to give Locke some time too and he did go from worst his first two years to 2nd from last this year. He's improving!! lol, nope time to move on and get someone who can help our defense out.

    I liked Wallace this year even though he didn't have good numbers but I'd be surprised if he came back.

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    Tashaun Gipson in FA, will come alot cheaper than the Weddles and Berrys of the world. Let Sandejo and Blanton leave in FA. Draft Miles Killebrew in the 4th as additional safety depth and let all our boys fight it out in camp.

    That's my safety hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRKDIGGGL3R View Post
    Tashaun Gipson in FA, will come alot cheaper than the Weddles and Berrys of the world. Let Sandejo and Blanton leave in FA. Draft Miles Killebrew in the 4th as additional safety depth and let all our boys fight it out in camp.

    That's my safety hope.
    One of the 2 safeties from Cincinnati would be nice too.

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    I personally think Anthony Harris would be fine if he just bulks up a bit this of season

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    Quote Originally Posted by montybeasty:30666599
    I personally think Anthony Harris would be fine if he just bulks up a bit this of season
    I thought he played good when he was filling it. Better than sendejo

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiPasquale7 View Post
    Strategy for the offseason:

    We need to shore up our line, get Teddy someone to throw to and lock up our defensive studs long-term. With this off season I'd say less is more. I'm not of the opinion that it makes any sense to cut Peterson. We won't be able to get the free agent stars that would merit it. Cutting him just for the sake of it is insane. Unless you can reallocate that money in a great way it's a non-starter for me. You cut dead weight. You don't cut just to save money unless you have a need to spend that money elsewhere. We are not that team.

    Cut:
    WR, Mike Wallace - Wallace is overpaid for what he produces at this point in his career in our offense. Releasing him saves lots of money that we can use to fix our offensive line.
    K, Blair Walsh - I like the guy but he's regressed a lot since his rookie year. He commands too much money for what he produced this year and we can find a better, cheaper option in the draft.

    Sign:
    G, Kelechi Osemele - 5 year / $40 million contract ($8 million per year) We need to improve our pass protection. With Osemele we get the best LG money can by. I expect him to have a similar impact to what Hutchinson did when we brought him in years ago to shore up the line.

    Trade:
    4th and 7th Round Pick for WR, Josh Gordon - We take a bit of a risk, but the reward with someone like Gordon is off the charts. A true #1 superstar WR who is only going to be 25 this year. He can probably be had for a mid-round pick. I'd take that chance.

    Draft:
    1. LB, Myles Jack, UCLA - reunite Barr and Kendricks with another Bruin. One of the top LBs in the class. Would be great rotating in with Greenway as he learns the ropes.
    2. SS, Jayron Kearse, Clemson - a nice SS to pair beside Harrison Smith to improve upon our already incredible defense.
    3. OT, Kyle Murphy, Stanford - a nice project T to groom alongside T.J. Clemmings. Depending how Kalil and Loadholt bounce back we let Murphy and Clemmings handle the backup duties. If both Kalil and Loadholt are outplayed, then we have a few young guys ready to step up. Long term they open up the opportunity for us to cut Kalil and Loadholt and save significant money.
    5. K, Roberto Aguayo, Florida State - best kicker in college football. May not last until this point but we could use the upgrade. Ultimately it's not often you can get a high impact player at this point anyway so you might as well get the best kicker we can.
    6. NT, D.J. Reader, Clemson - big athletic body. Could be a nice depth piece as a run stopping NT.

    QB - Teddy Bridgewater, Shaun Hill, Taylor Heinicke
    RB - Adrian Peterson, Jerick McKinnon, Matt Asiata
    FB - Zach Line
    WR - Josh Gordon, Charles Johnson, Cordarelle Patterson (KR Specialist)
    WR - Stefon Diggs, Jarius Wright, Adam Thielen
    TE - Kyle Rudolph, Rhett Ellison, Mucole Pruitt
    LT - Matt Kalil, T.J. Clemmings
    LG - Kelechi Osemele, David Yankey
    C - John Sullivan, Joe Berger
    RG - Brandon Fusco, Mike Harris
    RT - Phil Loadholt, Kyle Murphy

    DE - Danielle Hunter, Brian Robison
    DT - Sharrif Floyd, Tom Johnson
    NT - Linval Joseph, D.J. Reader
    DE - Everson Griffen, Scott Crichton
    SLB - Anthony Barr, Casey Mathhews
    MLB - Eric Kendricks, Audie Cole
    WLB - Myles Jack, Chad Greenway
    LCB - Trae Waynes, Terence Newman, Josh Robinson
    SS - Jayron Kearse, Andrew Sendejo
    FS - Harrison Smith, Anthony Harris
    RCB - Xavier Rhodes, Captain Munnerlyn, Marcus Sherels

    K - Roberto Aguayo
    P - Jeff Locke
    We need to move on from the Seattle game. Walsh regression? Come on. He lead the NFL in kicks made and was 6-8 from 50. He's a good kicker.

    As for the rest, I don't see Osemele being signed. With Sully back we slide Berger to left guard and move Fusco back to his natural right guard spot. Unless we move on from Kalil, I don't see much money or any high picks being used on the o-line.

    Don't be surprised if Myles Jack is long gone by 23. I see safety and wide receiver being our main targets. I wouldn't be surprised to see Spielman trade out of the 1st round either.
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    Round 1: Mike Hughes CB UCF
    Round 2: Brian O'Neill OT Pittsburgh
    Round 4: Jalyn Holmes DE Ohio State
    Round 5: Tyler Conklin TE Central Michigan
    Round 5: Daniel Carlson K Auburn
    Round 6: Colby Gossett G Appalachian State
    Round 6: Ade Aruna DE Tulane
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingsfan0845 View Post
    We need to move on from the Seattle game. Walsh regression? Come on. He lead the NFL in kicks made and was 6-8 from 50. He's a good kicker.
    I think you guys may be in denial about Walsh. The guy was 12th in FG% but when you combine it with his PAT % he was below average. Not to mention his TB% being 22nd. I'm not saying it's our biggest need by any stretch - but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he can't be improved upon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiPasquale7 View Post
    I think you guys may be in denial about Walsh. The guy was 12th in FG% but when you combine it with his PAT % he was below average. Not to mention his TB% being 22nd. I'm not saying it's our biggest need by any stretch - but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he can't be improved upon.
    Gonna be a big difference for Walsh next year kicking indoors. I'm happy to give him another year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingsfan0845 View Post
    We need to move on from the Seattle game. Walsh regression? Come on. He lead the NFL in kicks made and was 6-8 from 50. He's a good kicker.

    As for the rest, I don't see Osemele being signed. With Sully back we slide Berger to left guard and move Fusco back to his natural right guard spot. Unless we move on from Kalil, I don't see much money or any high picks being used on the o-line.

    Don't be surprised if Myles Jack is long gone by 23. I see safety and wide receiver being our main targets. I wouldn't be surprised to see Spielman trade out of the 1st round either.
    Myles Jake won't see the 10th pick, let alone the 23rd. I would say there is a slim chance Jaylon Smith see's 23 since he won't be able to play until later in the season (if at all) but even him I would be surprised to see at 23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiPasquale7 View Post
    I think you guys may be in denial about Walsh. The guy was 12th in FG% but when you combine it with his PAT % he was below average. Not to mention his TB% being 22nd. I'm not saying it's our biggest need by any stretch - but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he can't be improved upon.
    Walsh is fine. unfortunate timing but I think this is the first game winner he has missed in his career (I could be wrong). I think if this offense could figure out how to score more than 33 touchdowns on offense the burden on Walsh would be lifted and it wouldn't be a big deal. There is so much pressure from the fans because he is our #1 means of scoring points.

    For comparison here are other non playoff team TD totals
    Vikings 33
    Jacksonville Jaguars 44
    San Diego Chargers 35
    Tennessee Titans 37
    Miami Dolphins 39

    My point being a team with this nasty of a defense should not be in the bottom 5 of the NFL in touchdowns with the number of possessions and field position. There is too much relying on Walsh that fans overlook. I said it earlier in this thread or another that at no point in that playoff game did I ever feel like Norv was trying to actually score a TD and that Walsh was the primary option. This team needs to score touchdowns period. Walsh is above an above average kick in the NFL and is 2-3 missed kicks from being top 5 soo who cares.....

    Punter is a mess. Marquette King for the raiders is a FA and I think should actually be a FA priority lol. This team could be so much dangerous is they could flip the field and start on defense with the offense backed up to their own goal line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiPasquale7 View Post
    I think you guys may be in denial about Walsh. The guy was 12th in FG% but when you combine it with his PAT % he was below average. Not to mention his TB% being 22nd. I'm not saying it's our biggest need by any stretch - but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he can't be improved upon.
    Walsh is currently 10th in NFL history in FG% at 85.211%, higher than names like Adam Vinatieri, Ryan Longwell, and Jason Hanson. Moving indoors full time again is only going to make him a better kicker. He might not be the best kicker in the NFL but he's pretty damn good.
    2018 Vikings Draft :
    Round 1: Mike Hughes CB UCF
    Round 2: Brian O'Neill OT Pittsburgh
    Round 4: Jalyn Holmes DE Ohio State
    Round 5: Tyler Conklin TE Central Michigan
    Round 5: Daniel Carlson K Auburn
    Round 6: Colby Gossett G Appalachian State
    Round 6: Ade Aruna DE Tulane
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    I'm very intrigued by this Josh Gordon talk. Add him along with Diggs and Wright? That's pretty good. I think as far as the D side is concerned....Zimmer has shown that he can develop talent. Which is why whatever we spend needs to be on the O line and a WR.

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