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View Poll Results: would you rank Lebron above Kobe All-Time if they beat the Dubs in the finals?

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  • Yes

    11 23.91%
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    16 34.78%
  • Already had him ranked higher (explain)

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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by mightybosstone View Post
    Refresh my memory. Why do you rank Kobe higher than Lebron again? You're one of the few non Lakers fans who consistently does, but I can never remember why.
    I value longevity and post-season success higher than most. I could be more specific if necessary but I think that sums up my perspective pretty quickly and honestly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KnicksorBust View Post
    I value longevity and post-season success higher than most. I could be more specific if necessary but I think that sums up my perspective pretty quickly and honestly.
    I do as well. I agree that winning a championship is a team effort but across every sport I watch, to be truly great you have to be valuable enough in clutch situations and in the post season because all teams collectively agree the championship is the ultimate goal, we can't just say that then turn around and say "well, he had no supporting cast it's not his fault." While it's true that the supporting cast matters, what's most important is the end result and great players overcome obstacles like weaker rosters and injuries. I can care less if you lead the league in PER if you disappear in the playoffs or simply can't get it done.

    The day you hear a player said he will trade a ring for a higher WAR, VORP, QBR, or PER, I might be inclined to reconsider my methods of evaluation of greatness.

    The other side of that is that we also can't just write off a player who has won titles without being a first option. Players like Kobe and Russell catch flak, but why? Just because you weren't the #1 option doesn't mean you didn't contribute.

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    He's an arrogant POS that shouldn't even be in the discussion. Jordan is light years ahead of everyone else anyway so who gives rats ***.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lol, please View Post
    Would it be enough for you to rank Lebron above Kobe in the all time list? If not, what else must he do? Kobe has more rings per finals attempt despite playing second fiddle to SHAQ and despite being as efficient as lebron.
    big fricking rotfl
    Quote Originally Posted by nycericanguy View Post
    well unfortunately it looks like you were right about Bargs...

    but hopefully we can use his expiring, if not at least we unloaded Novak's deal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamiecballer View Post
    big fricking rotfl
    That's the second time I see that part quoted lol, it was honestly a typo I meant to say less effficient, let me go fix it, it makes more sense that way when you read it anyway, I think it was the auto complete function of my cell phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Starks View Post
    Since when did we stop holding superstars accountable for Finals losses? I don't see Ewing, Malone, Stockton, or Barkley in anybody's top 10. And they all lost to a superior team without the benefit of jumping teams and taking the easiest path to the Finals to do so. But you still rank them lower than other greats because of their Finals losses, despite having great all time stats.

    Why should Lebron be treated any differently, especially since his team hopping has guaranteed he's a odds on favorite every year?
    accountable. lol. "bad lebron, bad, bad, bad lebron!".
    Quote Originally Posted by nycericanguy View Post
    well unfortunately it looks like you were right about Bargs...

    but hopefully we can use his expiring, if not at least we unloaded Novak's deal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SportsFanatic10 View Post
    Regular season games aren't usually a good indicator when predicting the playoffs. You underestimate the Warriors, I don't see the Cavs beating them.
    True, but the Cavs are clicking on all cylinders right now, and are even better now than they were then. I'm extremely confident in the Cavs wrecking GS.
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    D. Rob gives Alonzo 52/14/7
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    D. Rob gives the Pistons 34/10/10/10
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    D. Rob gives the Clippers 71/14
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    D. Rob gives Shaq 36/13/7/6
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    D. Rob gives Ewing 45/16
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    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    True, but the Cavs are clicking on all cylinders right now, and are even better now than they were then. I'm extremely confident in the Cavs wrecking GS.
    Me as well. I just can't see the W's stopping the force that is Lebron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Starks View Post
    Since when did we stop holding superstars accountable for Finals losses? I don't see Ewing, Malone, Stockton, or Barkley in anybody's top 10. And they all lost to a superior team without the benefit of jumping teams and taking the easiest path to the Finals to do so. But you still rank them lower than other greats because of their Finals losses, despite having great all time stats.

    Why should Lebron be treated any differently, especially since his team hopping has guaranteed he's a odds on favorite every year?
    Well then you have to keep it real all the way around. Jordan absolutely choked against the pistons more than once and couldn't get to the finals. Jordan got swept out of playoffs in the first round by the Celtics. If you want to hold it against Bron for loosing in the finals against an all-time great spurs team, then you need to be even harder on Mike for loosing to teams before the finals. Getting to the finals is better than 1st round illumination. If your gonna make excuses to why you don't hold them against Mike, then we can just play the excuse game all day with both. If you dont want to make excuses and keep the same set of rules for both players, then Jordan has even more failures at lower levels than Bron.
    D. Rob gives Hakeem 40/16/7/4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_RP3SvZ4O8
    D. Rob gives Alonzo 52/14/7
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-NRWNX7Z7Y
    D. Rob gives the Pistons 34/10/10/10
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkpT0QdUDIY
    D. Rob gives the Clippers 71/14
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck4KXAydlkE
    D. Rob gives Shaq 36/13/7/6
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XivZd3mRVw
    D. Rob gives Ewing 45/16
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8Ddm9WVzjA
    IF YOU DON"T KNOW, NOW YOU KNOW

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    I already rate him above Kobe. But that's just me I guess. A player that makes his team great is more valuable than a great player. Kobe led just as well as LeBron has but he did in a very different way, he did it in more of Jordan way. LeBron has to be the most selfless megastar this game has seen in decades. That alone swings it for me. I just wonder how his numbers would have changed if he had been in a system with a heavier offense on ball movement, he's such a great isolation player his coaches seem to lean on it more than they would other "stars".

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    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    True, but the Cavs are clicking on all cylinders right now, and are even better now than they were then. I'm extremely confident in the Cavs wrecking GS.
    We'll see, The Warriors are pretty dangerous too. And they currently aren't reduced by injuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    True, but the Cavs are clicking on all cylinders right now, and are even better now than they were then. I'm extremely confident in the Cavs wrecking GS.
    Is that so

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    Vegas odds have GS as Favorites winning game 1.



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    If the Cavs beat the Warriors, I think that's a pretty big accomplishment....I see GS as the favorites here. Will LeBron have the support he'll need to do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony_Starks View Post
    Since when did we stop holding superstars accountable for Finals losses? I don't see Ewing, Malone, Stockton, or Barkley in anybody's top 10. And they all lost to a superior team without the benefit of jumping teams and taking the easiest path to the Finals to do so.
    For starters....I'm pretty certain each one of these guys ring chased at one point except for Stockton.

    And why are superstars held accountable for a Finals loss? Is it their fault or something? What if they happen to run up against another superstar? What if they didn't have the support to win it? Why do you ignore loses before the Finals?


    The top 10 lists that I have seen, include plenty of guys that have Finals loses.

    But you still rank them lower than other greats because of their Finals losses, despite having great all time stats.
    I ignore championships completely, and I have those guys outside the top 10. It has nothing to do with their Finals loses.

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