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    All-Time Redraft Quarterfinals: (2) Queens vs (7) Gotham

    Each year PSD users on the forum partake in a fantasy snake-draft consisting of all-time players. Players are designated for certain eras based on their peak, and we've used a general 5 year prime to try and rank players overall value (so try and vote based on that 5-year peak as best you can). After the draft, opposing conferences voted for playoff ranking. So, given the two rosters below, if they were to face in real life (with every player in their 5-year prime), which team would win in the 7-game series?

    2. Queens (Home-Court Advantage)
    C: Patrick Ewing | Bill Cartwright
    PF: Dave Cowens | Maurice Lucas
    SF: Detlef Schrempf | Cedric Maxwell
    SG: Dwyane Wade | Michael Redd
    PG: Chauncey Billups | Earl Monroe

    7. Gotham
    Pg: Terry Porter - Deron Williams
    Sg: Kobe Bryant - Hersey Hawkins
    Sf Ron Artest - Mark Aguirre
    Pf: Willis Reed - Dan Roundfield
    C: Alonzo Mourning - Brad Miller


    Below are write-ups sent in by the GMs of the teams giving their reasons for why their team should win this matchup:

    Gotham did not send in a Write-Up

    Queens Write-Up

    Rotation
    C: Patrick Ewing (34) | Dave Cowens (8) | Bill Cartwright (6)
    PF: Dave Cowens (24) | Maurice Lucas (24)
    SF: Detlef Schrempf (31) | Cedric Maxwell (10) | Michael Redd (7)
    SG: Dwyane Wade (34) | Michael Redd (8) | Earl Monroe (6)
    PG: Chauncey Billups (32) | Earl Monroe (16)

    Congrats to Gotham on advancing to the playoffs and creating a very strong team, but this Queens team is one of the most balanced teams in the game on both ends and has very few holes to exploit. Both Chauncey Billups and Dwyane Wade have won NBA Finals MVP’s in the mid 2000’s and Dave Cowens is a two time champion and one time NBA-MVP. So before you start worrying about Patrick Ewing in the playoffs, it’s necessary to realize that he’s surrounded by a bunch of guys who have not only gotten it done in the playoffs, but raised their play in the playoffs. Patrick Ewing provides elite rim protecting as well as efficient scoring down low. Schrempf is the glue piece that can dish, swish, board, and defend.

    Offensive Philosophy:
    This team’s offense will be run by point guard Chauncey Billups and shooting guard Dwyane Wade. Chauncey’s fit with Dwyane Wade is prime because of his ability to stroke it from deep as well as play off the ball. In his five year prime, Chauncey boasted a 40% 3P% and 60% TS%. Terry Porter was not a very strong defender during his time, so expect Chauncey to get a lot of open looks when being guarded by Terry. An underrated part of Billups’s game is also getting to the hole. He went to the line 6.2 times per game while shooting 90.4% from there. The floor spacing that Billups and Detlef Schrempf provide will allow Dwyane Wade to really percolate and slash in the paint, where he can create a lot of havoc. Dwyane boasts three championships and gave this generation one of the best finals performances we’ll ever see (28.4 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 5.4 APG, 2.2 SPG, 59.3 TS%, 11 FTA/game). He gets to the line at will (9.8 FTA/game) and is able to score in an efficient manner (57% TS%). Dwyane will be seeing a lot of Kobe Bryant and Ron Artest in this series, who are both great defenders. This will be a great matchup, but it should be noted that Dwyane averaged 29.1 points per game with a 56.5% TS% while getting to the line 11.5 times per game versus Kobe from 2005-2010. These are the types of matchups that Dwyane gets up for, and Dwyane will find a way to get his, one way or another. He’s too aggressive not to have success in this series, especially with the floor spacing and talent down low this team has.

    Down low, Dave Cowens and Patrick Ewing will be facing Willis Reed and Alonzo Mourning. This will be a very intriguing matchup, considering all four of these guys are strong two-way players. Patrick Ewing can play high post with his sweet mid-range game or game post up down low. This is going to be huge in this series because it will keep Alonzo Mourning from doing what he does best, which is play help defense. When Mourning does have to leave to play help, expect either Wade or Billups to find the open man down low or expect to have Cowens (3.7 ORB/game) and Ewing (2.6 ORB/game) to crash the boards strong. Ewing’s mid-range game will also keep Alonzo away from the paint which will create lanes for Queens’ wing players. Dave Cowens may not be a sexy name but he is definitely a threat on offense, as he averaged 19.5 points per game. His shooting percentages might not be up to par to today’s efficiency standards, but for his time he was better than average. His huge value comes from his ability to dish (4 APG), board (15.6 RPG), and defend at an elite rate. At SF, Detlef Schrempf can do it all. He averaged 17.5 PPG, 6.7 RPG, and 4.4 APG all while shooting 39.5% from deep all while sporting a 59.3% TS%. He’s the ideal fifth starter because of his ability to space the floor and because how reliable he is at making the right play. This team’s ball movement will be tough to defend because every single player in the starting 5 is a skilled passer. Queens’ pick and roll offense will be huge because Wade, Billups, Schrempf and Monroe are all pick and roll ball handlers, and Cowens, Ewing, and Lucas can all pop and stroke it from mid-range or roll and finish down low. The name of the game is to take Alonzo out of the paint and make him play in the mid-range and that’s what Ewing is capable of, making it easier for the rest of his teammates get to the hole.

    The main bench pieces for Queens boasts Earl Monroe, Michael Redd, Cedric Maxwell, Maurice Lucas, and Bill Cartwright. Monroe can handle the scoring load off the bench (18.5 PPG on 53% TS%). He gives Queens a great deal of flexibility because he can play both the 1 and 2 guard and this gives Queens three guys who can be the primary ball-handler at any time. Michael Redd provides good floor spacing off the bench (37.4% 3P%) and can come in at the 2 or 3 spot and light it up. Cedric Maxwell is a former Finals MVP who can board with the best of them (7.4 RPG) and is a very efficient offensive player, leading the NBA in FG% twice as a small forward. Maurice Lucas is a valuable two way big off the bench (17.8 PPG) who is another very good passer (2.9 APG) and Bill Cartwright provides scoring at the 5 spot if needed (17.9 PPG, 62% TS%).

    Defensive Philosophy:
    At point, Queens is confident that Billups can handle Terry Porter. Porter is an efficient scorer who can shoot, but we’re confident that Billups, a two-time all-defensive team member, can limit Porter’s shooting and force him into some bad shots. Billups will also see some time on Kobe Bryant when he’s playing with Earl Monroe, which Chauncey can definitely handle considering his size. Kobe will spend most of his time defended by 3-time all-defensive team member Dwyane Wade. Let’s be honest here, Kobe is going to get his points. But we’re confident that Wade’s feistiness on defense can make Kobe take a few errant shots and have a couple of off-nights which would be detrimental to the team considering Artest and Porter aren’t exactly elite at creating shots. At SF, expect Schrempf to force Ron Artest into some unnecessary shots. Artest is a phenomenal defender but on offense he’s not exactly the most efficient scorer, and we’re confident that Schrempf can give him some trouble. Even off the bench, Queens can bring Cedric Maxwell in who sported a 1.2 DBPM and .183 WS/48 in his prime.

    Down low, Cowens and Ewing will both see time on Alonzo Mourning. Both Reed and Mourning are threats down low, but Cowens and Ewing are both world-class defenders. Dave Cowens even led the league in Defensive Win Shares one season. He’s a force down low and a multiple all-defensive team member, as is Patrick Ewing. Ewing thrives as a rim protector but Cowens is an elite man to man defender and will really give both Mourning and Reed some trouble with his physicality. Alonzo Mourning is a strong offensive player, but it may surprise you to hear that he has had a negative offensive box score plus minus in 11 of 16 seasons and only once did he have an OBPM of over 1.0. His impact offensively is not as strong as his statistics would suggest, in large part due to his excessive turnovers. He averaged over three turnovers per game in his first seven seasons, we can expect Ewing and Cowens to take advantage of. Even off the bench, Maurice Lucas is a great defender who made a couple all-defensive teams and Cartwright is a huge body that can come in and defend. This team has a plethora of bigs that can guard either PF’s or C’s. Defense on this team is extremely strong all around and the versatility of all these guys to defend more than one position bodes well for switches and rotations.

    Overall:
    Overall, these are two very similar teams built around a star SG and two extremely strong big men. The difference is that Queens has more playmaking aside from their star SG. Chauncey Billups, Detlef Schrempf, and Dave Cowens are both strong playmakers and Patrick Ewing was one of the most skilled big men of all time. The defense that Queens boasts is built to stop teams with two strong big men and although this would be a close matchup, Queens is the clear winner here. The team defense, offensive efficiency, and ability to move the ball around are too much for Gotham to overcome.
    Last edited by Shammyguy3; 05-15-2015 at 07:28 PM.



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    Interesting matchups having Ewing go against Zo and Cowens go against Reed as well as Kobe against Wade and Porter against Billups. All very similar players.

    Very interested in hearing from Gotham.

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    let's hear some debate between rosh and Kaner



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    The writeup and home court are great early advantages. My guess is that will start Queens off with an early lead. The matchup itself is incredibly even. The only thing that stands out to me is that Gotham has an elite defender in Artest to guard Queen's best player Wade and if Wade has to guard Kobe on the other end this could be an excruciating series for him.


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    I'm not gonna lie, i think this is a good matchup for gotham, I'll wait to hear from the GMs tho. As of right now, leaning towards gotham.

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    i honestly don't know where i stand, i still need to read rosh's writeup tho



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    Posted my writeup
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    Congratulations to Rosh for building an awesome team and making the playoffs, Queens is one of my favorite teams in the game. Similarities between 4 of our starters makes this a really close position matchup, however I feel Gotham holds the advantage with a better defense, bench, and floor spacing.


    Backcourt
    These backcourts mirror each other in a lot of ways, and this can really go either way. However Gotham’s advantage will be having 2 elite wing defenders and arguably the 2 best in the series in Kobe and Artest. Wade’s never seen prime Kobe’s defense when he’s locked in for the playoffs and Artest is one of the best man defenders of all-time (a DPOY) and will be able to put a lot of pressure on Wade with his physical defense. Wade is then also expected to guard Kobe most of the time so he’s going to be in for a long series. Kobe also is the much better shooter of the two from mid and 3pt range, which helps my teams spacing. Porter and Billups mirror each other in a lot of ways. Porter’s best 3 year stretch(90-92) is 17.5/3/8 at 60% ts; 39.7% 3pt. Billups best 3 year stretch(06-08) is 18/3/8 at 60% ts; 39.7% 3pt. Billups vs Porter shouldn't swing the series one way or the other.

    Front Court
    Gotham’s front court holds an advantage defensively while giving nothing up offensively. Two great defensive front courts but I think Gotham has an advantage there. Ewing and Mourning are both great defensive anchors but Mourning’s better and has the hardware to show for it (2x DPOY). While Ewing carried a bigger offensive load in his prime, Mourning before the kidney transplant was a 22/10 player on great efficiency (career 58%ts). He was actually more efficient then Ewing in fact particularly in the playoffs where Ewing efficiency has always dropped big time including below 50%ts the year he made the finals and a career dropoff from the regular season to playoffs of 55% to 52% ts.

    While Reed vs Cowens defensively might be a wash, both are very well regarded defenders who lead the league in DWS, however Reed is the much better player offensively and is one of the most respected playoff performers of all-time (2x finals MVP). Before injuries slowed him down he averaged 24/13.3/2 in the playoffs on 54% ts in an era, as Rosh mentioned, that was much less efficient. Reed also offers better spacing then Cowens, imo with a well-respected jumpshot. From his NBA.com player bio “The lefthanded Reed presented a problem for opposing defenders. He had the bulk and the touch to play inside, but he was also deadly with his soft jump shot from up to 15 feet away.”

    Bench
    I believe Gotham also has the better bench, Williams is a 20/10 pg who is also a very good shooter that is more then capable of running the offense when Kobe is on the bench. In comparison to Monroe who was Iverson light. No jumpshot and an average playmaker/defender/efficiency.
    Hawkins is a great shooter off the bench, career 40% 3pt shooter which is better than Redd’s. Who was also a solid defender, career DBPM of .1 along with 1.7stls. Redd’s the worst defender in the series with a career DBPM of -2.6.
    Aguirre is the best scorer off the bench in the series, averaging in his best season 29.5/6/4.5 on 57% ts. He won’t be expected to put up 29 instead he’ll be put in a similar role to the one he accepted with Detroit, playing tough defense and being an extra scoring punch off the bench. He’s also a better shooter then Maxwell who operated most of the time in the low post which'll hurt their spacing.
    Dan Roundfield might not be a well known name but he’s an elite defender with 3x defensive 1st team player (5 selections) and very good offensive rebounder, 4orpg during his 3 year peak.
    Brad Miller offers a little of everything, a great floor spacer he is one of the few centers in this game with 3pt range and was one of the best mid-range jumpshooters during his prime shooting 48% from 16-23 ft. He’s also a great passer who averaged close to 5 apg one year and a solid defender with a career dbpm of 1.2.
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    having Ron Artest guard Wade for the majority of time is having me lean towards Gotham. After reading both GMs' philosophies that's what it comes down to for me right now



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    Having Ron Artest guard Wade is an advantage, but I can put both Billups and Wade on Kobe to lower the load on Wade on D. Billups, at 6-3 202 doesn't give up much size to Kobe, who is 6-6 200. I also don't think Kobe is going to have an easy time with Schrempf who has a 3 inch, 15 pound advantage on Kobe and has a refined offensive game. Great passer, shooter and rebounder. He's gonna make Kobe work on defense especially considering this team's offense is predicated on good ball movement and spacing.

    Chauncey's advantage over Porter will also be big because Chauncey can get to the hole and draw fouls at a high rate. This results in Mourning and Reed rotating to play help and foul trouble for these guys. The ball movement of Queens will be hard to stop with a go to wing like Wade, a go to post player in Ewing, and a supporting cast that excels at moving the ball around and finding a good shot. I'd say the same for Gotham but Artest isn't a great floor spacer or efficient offensive player and has a tendency to take bad shots.

    Cowens also provided good spacing with his ability to move the ball around and shoot the mid-range jumper. Cowens does all the little thing a team needs and is regarded as one of the best hustle players of all-time. He's going to give Reed a lot of trouble with his physicality and tenaciousness on the boards.

    Let's also not underestimate Ewing's defense. The guy led the league in DWS 3 times and was a premier rim protector on one of the toughest and best defensive teams in the league. Alonzo's career consisted of a bunch of first and second round exits with only one appearance to the conference championship round as a first option. His TS% dropped from 58.5% in the regular season to 54.4% in the postseason during his five year prime and his OBPM was -1.3 during those years.

    Also, I don't really buy Gotham having a stronger bench. Earl Monroe could be starting on a good amount of teams in this game and can play either guard spot at a high rate. He can score in a variety of ways and will keep the D on their heals with his handles and ability to get to the hole. Porter and Williams would both have a lot of trouble guarding someone of Monroe's caliber. Redd provides a lot of the same things that Hersey Hawkins does in regards to floor spacing. However Gotham doesn't boast much defense off the bench other than Roundfield. Queens can bring in both Cedric Maxwell and Maurice Lucas off the bench. Maxwell is a former Finals MVP who led the league in TS% twice, is a great rebounder for the SF position and is a plus defender. Lucas can come off the bench and score, defend and rebound at a high rate and is a former all-defensive team member and all-nba second team member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roshan3ai View Post
    Having Ron Artest guard Wade is an advantage, but I can put both Billups and Wade on Kobe to lower the load on Wade on D. Billups, at 6-3 202 doesn't give up much size to Kobe, who is 6-6 200. I also don't think Kobe is going to have an easy time with Schrempf who has a 3 inch, 15 pound advantage on Kobe and has a refined offensive game. Great passer, shooter and rebounder. He's gonna make Kobe work on defense especially considering this team's offense is predicated on good ball movement and spacing.

    Chauncey's advantage over Porter will also be big because Chauncey can get to the hole and draw fouls at a high rate. This results in Mourning and Reed rotating to play help and foul trouble for these guys. The ball movement of Queens will be hard to stop with a go to wing like Wade, a go to post player in Ewing, and a supporting cast that excels at moving the ball around and finding a good shot. I'd say the same for Gotham but Artest isn't a great floor spacer or efficient offensive player and has a tendency to take bad shots.

    Cowens also provided good spacing with his ability to move the ball around and shoot the mid-range jumper. Cowens does all the little thing a team needs and is regarded as one of the best hustle players of all-time. He's going to give Reed a lot of trouble with his physicality and tenaciousness on the boards.

    Let's also not underestimate Ewing's defense. The guy led the league in DWS 3 times and was a premier rim protector on one of the toughest and best defensive teams in the league. Alonzo's career consisted of a bunch of first and second round exits with only one appearance to the conference championship round as a first option. His TS% dropped from 58.5% in the regular season to 54.4% in the postseason during his five year prime and his OBPM was -1.3 during those years.

    Also, I don't really buy Gotham having a stronger bench. Earl Monroe could be starting on a good amount of teams in this game and can play either guard spot at a high rate. He can score in a variety of ways and will keep the D on their heals with his handles and ability to get to the hole. Porter and Williams would both have a lot of trouble guarding someone of Monroe's caliber. Redd provides a lot of the same things that Hersey Hawkins does in regards to floor spacing. However Gotham doesn't boast much defense off the bench other than Roundfield. Queens can bring in both Cedric Maxwell and Maurice Lucas off the bench. Maxwell is a former Finals MVP who led the league in TS% twice, is a great rebounder for the SF position and is a plus defender. Lucas can come off the bench and score, defend and rebound at a high rate and is a former all-defensive team member and all-nba second team member.
    This is an extremely close series, and a lot of what you say and Kaner say make sense. I'm not sure who i'm voting for yet, but the bolded made caught my attention. Kobe has a definite size advantage to Billups, in his prime I'm sure he was not the 200 that he was when he was drafted. So it's either Kobe has a size advantage over Billups, and thus Detlef does over Kobe, or the difference between Chauncey and Bryant is not that much to boast about, and thus the same is said for Detlef over Kobe.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Shammyguy3:29956214
    Quote Originally Posted by roshan3ai View Post
    Having Ron Artest guard Wade is an advantage, but I can put both Billups and Wade on Kobe to lower the load on Wade on D. Billups, at 6-3 202 doesn't give up much size to Kobe, who is 6-6 200. I also don't think Kobe is going to have an easy time with Schrempf who has a 3 inch, 15 pound advantage on Kobe and has a refined offensive game. Great passer, shooter and rebounder. He's gonna make Kobe work on defense especially considering this team's offense is predicated on good ball movement and spacing.

    Chauncey's advantage over Porter will also be big because Chauncey can get to the hole and draw fouls at a high rate. This results in Mourning and Reed rotating to play help and foul trouble for these guys. The ball movement of Queens will be hard to stop with a go to wing like Wade, a go to post player in Ewing, and a supporting cast that excels at moving the ball around and finding a good shot. I'd say the same for Gotham but Artest isn't a great floor spacer or efficient offensive player and has a tendency to take bad shots.

    Cowens also provided good spacing with his ability to move the ball around and shoot the mid-range jumper. Cowens does all the little thing a team needs and is regarded as one of the best hustle players of all-time. He's going to give Reed a lot of trouble with his physicality and tenaciousness on the boards.

    Let's also not underestimate Ewing's defense. The guy led the league in DWS 3 times and was a premier rim protector on one of the toughest and best defensive teams in the league. Alonzo's career consisted of a bunch of first and second round exits with only one appearance to the conference championship round as a first option. His TS% dropped from 58.5% in the regular season to 54.4% in the postseason during his five year prime and his OBPM was -1.3 during those years.

    Also, I don't really buy Gotham having a stronger bench. Earl Monroe could be starting on a good amount of teams in this game and can play either guard spot at a high rate. He can score in a variety of ways and will keep the D on their heals with his handles and ability to get to the hole. Porter and Williams would both have a lot of trouble guarding someone of Monroe's caliber. Redd provides a lot of the same things that Hersey Hawkins does in regards to floor spacing. However Gotham doesn't boast much defense off the bench other than Roundfield. Queens can bring in both Cedric Maxwell and Maurice Lucas off the bench. Maxwell is a former Finals MVP who led the league in TS% twice, is a great rebounder for the SF position and is a plus defender. Lucas can come off the bench and score, defend and rebound at a high rate and is a former all-defensive team member and all-nba second team member.
    This is an extremely close series, and a lot of what you say and Kaner say make sense. I'm not sure who i'm voting for yet, but the bolded made caught my attention. Kobe has a definite size advantage to Billups, in his prime I'm sure he was not the 200 that he was when he was drafted. So it's either Kobe has a size advantage over Billups, and thus Detlef does over Kobe, or the difference between Chauncey and Bryant is not that much to boast about, and thus the same is said for Detlef over Kobe.
    I am surprised I didn't notice this sooner about Rosh's team. He never grabbed an elite defensive wing. I hate his suggestion to put Billups on Kobe. Either he gives Kobe a huge edge or he forces Wade to play superman on both ends. Terrible choices.


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    I'm not sure how down I am on the Billups guarding Kobe idea, I don't think it would be the end of the world for Queens. However, I think this is one of those series where the teams are so alike and equal talent wise that the bench actually comes into play when deciding who would win



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    I'm so torn on this one. I've been back and forth on it, and I think both GMs have made some pretty damn good points. I thought it would help to look up the head-to-head matchups at SG and C, but if anything it just made me more confused as their numbers against each other were so insanely close. For any anyone interested, here they are...

    Kobe vs. Wade
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...01&p2=wadedw01

    Ewing vs. Mourning
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=mournal01

    But if I have to pick one way or the other, I think I just like Gotham slightly more. They've essentially got plus defenders at five positions, and two guys who have proven they can carry the team on their backs in the postseason in Kobe and Reed. Also, I'm not a fan of the Billups on Kobe gameplan. For a few minutes a game when Wade is out? Okay. But Kobe is going to shoot right over Billups in the mid-range, and I think that could go very badly for Queens over an extended period of time.

    One other thing I didn't particularly care for is why is Queens limiting the minutes of its starters and giving so many minutes to Maurice Lucas and Earl Monroe, two pretty inefficient offensive players? That didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Especially Monroe, who doesn't provide much in the way of defense, perimeter shooting or distribution. I'd much rather see Wade and Billups play 36-40 minutes a night than see an inefficient guard from the 60s try to hang with Porter, Kobe and D-Will.

    It's a very close matchup that would absolutely go 6 or 7 games. But gun to my head, I think I have to take Gotham by a hair.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KnicksorBust View Post
    I am surprised I didn't notice this sooner about Rosh's team. He never grabbed an elite defensive wing. I hate his suggestion to put Billups on Kobe. Either he gives Kobe a huge edge or he forces Wade to play superman on both ends. Terrible choices.
    I think Billups can guard Wade in spurts and Wade can handle him for the better chunk of the series. The guy's a superstar and a pretty damn good defender in his own right. He will have his hands full this series, but he's got a lot of offensive weapons on this team that will make sure he doesn't have to play superman on offense. Billups ran a championship offense and the spacing/passing on the squad is also very strong. Don't think Wade has to be "superman" for us to win the series to be honest.

    And MBT that was my regular season rotation in my clubhouse, I never adjusted it for the series. That's my bad

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