PSD's NFL Mock Offseason Playoffs AFC Conference: New England (2) @ Indy (1)

[homestarunner93]

Hey that was me! Man, I didnt know **** back then

I was talking specifically about a team in this year's mock. >.>

[Super.]

Totally calling out hugepatsfan here. didn't vote on a single match and then just picks the Patriots here, with no explaination?

For shame HPF. I thought better of you

[Quinnsanity]

I like the Colts by a slight margin. It's just such a complete team, and one really equipped to play these Patriots. Tyvon Branch has had success against Gronk in the past and, as much as corners can, so has Vontae Davis. The defensive line should be able to hold up against the run. Like has been mentioned, Logan Ryan will have a hard time even with constant safety help. And plus, it's not something that's really discussed in this game, but I think a lot of what makes this Patriots roster work in real life is the fact that Belichick knows exactly how to use it. I know we never really set rules on coaching, but we're supposed to judge these teams based on their rosters, and I think this Colts roster on its own merits is better than this New England roster on its own merits. Indy wins a good game.

[Sportfan]

Even though I'd bet on the Pats winnning this game,they didn't do anything fun with their team while the Colts improved greatly. Blount wont' run wild on that defense and the Colts of a really impressive and balanced offense. Luck to Desean is a LETHAL combo

[xnick5757]

this is super close IMO, both great teams

[The Long Shot]

Not sure what people mean when they say New England essentially rested on their laurels and did nothing. They retained their two biggest free agents in Revis and McCourty and made a couple of solid depth adds. If he picked the defending Super Bowl winner and did this every single time, I would feel differently. As it stands, while I really like both teams, I don't see how New England can be stopped.

[Super.]

Not sure what people mean when they say New England essentially rested on their laurels and did nothing. They retained their two biggest free agents in Revis and McCourty and made a couple of solid depth adds. If he picked the defending Super Bowl winner and did this every single time, I would feel differently. As it stands, while I really like both teams, I don't see how New England can be stopped.

Offensively? They wont be able to remotely run the ball with the same success they had last season, and my corners matchup amazing on their WRs. With guys who have had success in covering Gronk in the past with Branch and Brown, plus having two great coverage linebackers in Freeman and Castillas with him being doubled teamed most of the game I don't see how they'd remotely be unstoppable. There are 2 remaining starters from last years Colts defense. Edelman is awesome, but Vontae Davis is one of the best CBs in the entire league, and a true shutdown corner. Prince on LaFell is great matchup for me as well, and the lack of WR depth for the Patriots means they'd have serious trouble spreading it out when the run game lacks the effectiveness it had before.

[Norm]

Totally calling out hugepatsfan here. didn't vote on a single match and then just picks the Patriots here, with no explaination?

For shame HPF. I thought better of you

Like bears fans in my last one.

Not being able to vote on mobile sucks but I haven't decided just yet either

[hugepatsfan]

Totally calling out hugepatsfan here. didn't vote on a single match and then just picks the Patriots here, with no explaination?

For shame HPF. I thought better of you

I voted in the last Pats one too. IDGAF about these things other than checking the Pats to see the moves someone made out of curiosity. I don't even know half the players in some games so I don't really care otherwise. I thought his team was better than the DEN one last round and better than yours. Sorry, just my opinion. You're winning anyway...

[homestarunner93]

Funny that the Colts are winning this right now just because "they did more fun stuff with their team." LOL...

[hugepatsfan]

And why do people think Ryan would have to cover D-Jax? Revis would be on Benjamin and shut him down because he's the best CB in the game as he proved this past season. Arrington when the Pats played the Colts last year was a match up option against Hilton with McCourty over the top. D-Jax is better but they're similar to some degree and the difference isn't so great that I think the game plan goes from completely shutting IND down to not being able to contain them at all. As far as their TEs, Gresham played the Pats last year and had 2 catches for 15 years. Did drop what should have been like a 25 yard TD I think but still, he got open for one play (that he didn't make) all game against the same guys he'd be going against. Colts OL is better but still probably wouldn't be able to open a too much running room against NE's front IMO. I think NE would eliminate their top 2 receivers and Gresham. Not completely take out the running game but contain it more than enough. They'd give up some plays to Owen Daniels and/or Jarius Wright but not nearly enough to kill them.

Offensively, NE returned the exact same unit as last year swapping out Solder/Connolly on the left side of the OL for Clark/Boling. I don't know much about Clark but I know Bowling is a nice upgrade over Connolly so at the very least I think the swap has to be a wash. So really it's the same offense as last year and it was a terrific unit that put together a SB winning playoff run. IND made huge strides on defense in this so Super did an awesome job but I just think it was too much of a gap to overcome.

[Super.]

I voted in the last Pats one too. IDGAF about these things other than checking the Pats to see the moves someone made out of curiosity. I don't even know half the players in some games so I don't really care otherwise. I thought his team was better than the DEN one last round and better than yours. Sorry, just my opinion. You're winning anyway...

"I don't even know half the players in some games"

So you're just blatantly ignoring the first paragraph of the thread in giant red letters? I hate it when people do this, no one should win, or lose on the back of fans just being homers. Hell you just readily admitted to ONLY voting for the Patriots teams. That's a ****ing joke dude, and you know it.

[Super.]

And why do people think Ryan would have to cover D-Jax? Revis would be on Benjamin and shut him down because he's the best CB in the game as he proved this past season. Arrington when the Pats played the Colts last year was a match up option against Hilton with McCourty over the top. D-Jax is better but they're similar to some degree and the difference isn't so great that I think the game plan goes from completely shutting IND down to not being able to contain them at all. As far as their TEs, Gresham played the Pats last year and had 2 catches for 15 years. Did drop what should have been like a 25 yard TD I think but still, he got open for one play (that he didn't make) all game against the same guys he'd be going against. Colts OL is better but still probably wouldn't be able to open a too much running room against NE's front IMO. I think NE would eliminate their top 2 receivers and Gresham. Not completely take out the running game but contain it more than enough. They'd give up some plays to Owen Daniels and/or Jarius Wright but not nearly enough to kill them.

Offensively, NE returned the exact same unit as last year swapping out Solder/Connolly on the left side of the OL for Clark/Boling. I don't know much about Clark but I know Bowling is a nice upgrade over Connolly so at the very least I think the swap has to be a wash. So really it's the same offense as last year and it was a terrific unit that put together a SB winning playoff run. IND made huge strides on defense in this so Super did an awesome job but I just think it was too much of a gap to overcome.

Please cover Djax with Arrington, PLEASE. Arrington, the guy who can't cover a deep threat to save his life? On DJax? Hilton is 100% Djax light. He's better inside, and a far better deep threat, not to mention he's just straight up faster.

Gresham didn't have a good game last season sure, but who was his QB compared to Luck? It was Andy "Mendoza 'Pumpkin Spice' Line" Dalton. Luck throwing him the ball is a massive upgrade. And you of all people would know of the massive struggles the Patriots have had covering tight ends the past 2 years. I have no idea how they'd be able to eliminate the threat my tight ends pose. What was Fleeners stat lines against New England last year?

And yet no one wants to mention Andre Ellington, one of the best pass catching RBs in the league. Again one New Englands issues defensively was covering RBs out of the backfield. Instead of dick hands Herron trying to catch the ball on a wheel route where he burned Collins and flat out dropping it, which would have been a TD.

It's the same defense that's struggled to contain a good pass catching runningback, and struggled against tight ends, plus there's a clear mismatch with DJax.

[hugepatsfan]

Please cover Djax with Arrington, PLEASE. Arrington, the guy who can't cover a deep threat to save his life? On DJax? Hilton is 100% Djax light. He's better inside, and a far better deep threat, not to mention he's just straight up faster.

Gresham didn't have a good game last season sure, but who was his QB compared to Luck? It was Andy "Mendoza 'Pumpkin Spice' Line" Dalton. Luck throwing him the ball is a massive upgrade. And you of all people would know of the massive struggles the Patriots have had covering tight ends the past 2 years. I have no idea how they'd be able to eliminate the threat my tight ends pose. What was Fleeners stat lines against New England last year?

And yet no one wants to mention Andre Ellington, one of the best pass catching RBs in the league. Again one New Englands issues defensively was covering RBs out of the backfield. Instead of dick hands Herron trying to catch the ball on a wheel route where he burned Collins and flat out dropping it, which would have been a TD.

It's the same defense that's struggled to contain a good pass catching runningback, and struggled against tight ends, plus there's a clear mismatch with DJax.

Kyle Arrington struggles downfield with big receivers. Don't recall covering smaller guys like Hilton/D-Jax being his weakness. Yeah, D-Jax is better than Hilton. I said that but I just don't think the difference goes from Arrington/McCourty over the top completely eliminating the receiver from the game to the matchup being something that completely kills them. I don't think it's the complete mismatch you're making it out to be. Provided McCourty can do what he did last year which I think he can because Revis is back and you downgraded receiving wise at TE.

I've wanted the Pats to sign Gresham at TE all offseason before we got Chandler. But I always said it was as a blocking #2 TE that can catch an occasional pass when the defense leaves him wide open. That's all I think he is. Not the matchup nightmare you're hyping him up to be. I think Owen Daniels is that type of matchup problem and I said that before. I said NE would struggle to match up with Daniels and Wright but I didn't believe it would be devastating.

When I said NE wouldn't be able to shut down your running game I meant the RBs as a whole. Ellington and Hill are good players. They'd make some plays. Never said you'd get shut out or that your team sucked. I just think the NE team was better. Sure you can pick plays Collins has gotten beat on but overall he does a terrific job in coverage, amongst the best of any LBs in the NFL.

I think you have a good team. It's the AFC Champ. Game. I don't pay much attention but the people who do would have voted you out already if you're team wasn't very good. I looked at the teams and felt NE was better. Get over it. You're winning anyway.

[Super.]

Kyle Arrington struggles downfield with big receivers. Don't recall covering smaller guys like Hilton/D-Jax being his weakness. Yeah, D-Jax is better than Hilton. I said that but I just don't think the difference goes from Arrington/McCourty over the top completely eliminating the receiver from the game to the matchup being something that completely kills them. I don't think it's the complete mismatch you're making it out to be. Provided McCourty can do what he did last year which I think he can because Revis is back and you downgraded receiving wise at TE.

I've wanted the Pats to sign Gresham at TE all offseason before we got Chandler. But I always said it was as a blocking #2 TE that can catch an occasional pass when the defense leaves him wide open. That's all I think he is. Not the matchup nightmare you're hyping him up to be. I think Owen Daniels is that type of matchup problem and I said that before. I said NE would struggle to match up with Daniels and Wright but I didn't believe it would be devastating.

When I said NE wouldn't be able to shut down your running game I meant the RBs as a whole. Ellington and Hill are good players. They'd make some plays. Never said you'd get shut out or that your team sucked. I just think the NE team was better. Sure you can pick plays Collins has gotten beat on but overall he does a terrific job in coverage, amongst the best of any LBs in the NFL.

I think you have a good team. It's the AFC Champ. Game. I don't pay much attention but the people who do would have voted you out already if you're team wasn't very good. I looked at the teams and felt NE was better. Get over it. You're winning anyway.

Arrington struggles when he covers people going to deep, its the main reason why DMax shades to his side. He's great at covering the lateral movement that most slot WRs make, slants, outs, ins, flares, etc. He's struggled with WRs that go deep in general as he lacks the overall speed to keep up with them. Gresham is a pretty good tight end that's played with Andy ****ing Dalton his whole career. It's completely reasonable to think that playing with Luck would boost his play, especially see how badly New England has been against tight ends.

And look, I only got upset because I can't stand it when people just completely ignore the entire premise of the game and vote on fandom lines. Obviously you've come in here and backed yourself up so I'm fine with it now, but until I called you out, you had zero intentions to do so yes? I''ve already called out people in other matches as well because it's ********. Obviously I was a bit wrong, but it took a callout for you to post in here to back your vote up.