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  1. #1
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    My list of top 100 Greatest NBA players of all-time

    *Age-Factor included
    *Regular Season/Post Season stats included
    *minimum of 800 games (Reg/PS)
    *All Player stats adjusted for League Quality (LQ)
    *Est. for players pre-1978 based on REBS/AST/FT%/FG%/PositionAVGs
    *All players careers translated to begin in 1990 (basis) (pace-adjusted)
    *Usage Rate, and MVP shares (eye test) factored in
    *Player Value = a combination of Alternate Win Score, VORP, and a calculated Defensive Rating (DWS, Drtg, Defensive Teams, etc.)

    Code:
    #	Name		Player Value
    1	Michael Jordan		34.26
    2	W Chamebrlain		32.04
    3	LeBron James		31.66
    4	K Abdul-Jabbar		31.15
    5	Tim Duncan		30.73
    6	Hakeem Olajuwon		30.70
    7	S O'Neal		30.12
    8	Karl Malone		30.00
    9	David Robinson		29.97
    10	Kobe Bryant		29.48
    11	Larry Bird		29.46
    12	Magic Johnson		29.11
    13	Kevin Garnett		28.90
    14	Charles Barkley		28.45
    15	Dwyane Wade		27.86
    16	John Stockton		27.85
    17	Julius Erving		27.79
    18	Moses Malone		27.78
    19	Artis Gilmore		27.78
    20	Bill Russell		27.76
    21	Clyde Drexler		27.33
    22	Dwight Howard		27.13
    23	Jerry West		27.12
    24	Patrick Ewing		26.95
    25	Chris Paul		26.91
    26	Oscar Robertson		26.84
    27	Bob Lanier		26.76
    28	Dirk Nowitzki		26.68
    29	Kevin Durant		26.57
    30	Scottie Pippen		26.56
    31	Dave Cowens		26.48
    32	Tracy McGrady		26.40
    33	Elvin Hayes		26.23
    34	Jason Kidd		26.20
    35	Chris Mullin		26.17
    36	Allen Iverson		26.16
    37	D Wilkins		26.11
    38	Chris Webber		26.06
    39	Walt Frazier		25.98
    40	Alonzo Mourning		25.95
    41	Pau Gasol		25.93
    42	Gary Payton		25.91
    43	Elgin Baylor		25.88
    44	Rick Barry		25.75
    45	Bob McAdoo		25.72
    46	Reggie Miller		25.68
    47	Alex English		25.67
    48	Dikembe Mutombo		25.60
    49	Elton Brand		25.57
    50	Bobby Jones		25.54
    51	Dan Issel		25.52
    52	Steve Nash		25.52
    53	Kevin Johnson		25.51
    54	Manu Ginobili		25.48
    55	Bill Walton		25.47
    56	Shawn Marion		25.47
    57	Robert Parish		25.46
    58	Sidney Moncrief		25.45
    59	Paul Pierce		25.42
    60	Ben Wallace		25.36
    61	Jerry Lucas		25.36
    62	Isiah Thomas		25.34
    63	Tim Hardaway		25.28
    64	Amar'e Stoudemire	25.28
    65	Kevin McHale		25.27
    66	Chris Bosh		25.24
    67	Al Jefferson		25.24
    68	Vince Carter		25.24
    69	Larry Nance		25.22
    70	Walt Bellamy		25.21
    71	Carmelo Anthony		25.17
    72	Carlos Boozer		25.13
    73	Ray Allen		25.12
    74	David Thompson		25.11
    75	Russell Westbrook	25.09
    76	Detlef Schrempf		25.08
    77	Mark Price		25.07
    78	Shawn Kemp		25.03
    79	Yao Ming		25.00
    80	Vlade Divac		24.97
    81	Nate Thurmond		24.94
    82	John Havlicek		24.92
    83	Marques Johnson		24.84
    84	Bob Pettit		24.73
    85	Horace Grant		24.73
    86	Mitch Richmond		24.72
    87	Adrian Dantley		24.70
    88	Fat Lever		24.67
    89	George Gervin		24.66
    90	Terry Cummings		24.61
    91	James Worthy		24.60
    92	Brad Daugherty		24.58
    93	Mark Jackson		24.56
    94	Spencer Haywood		24.53
    95	Gus Williams		24.49
    96	Jack Sikma		24.47
    97	Grant Hill		24.46
    98	Walter Davis		24.42
    99	Bob Cousy		24.39
    100	Rasheed Wallace		24.36
    Last edited by Lionel20; 02-07-2015 at 05:23 PM.

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    Shawn Marion tho?

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    This list is ********. Shawn Marion over Dirk says enough..

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    Worst list I've ever seen, really.

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    This is interesting...but you probably should have looked over your list before publishing so you could take out Shawn Marion and Dwight Howard.

    just sayin

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    FRazier over the Big O? And Howard over Stockton Kobe, Malone, Malone, and Russsell? And Dr. J? And Garnett?
    Why did the chicken cross the basketball court?
    Because he heard the refs were blowing fowls.

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    How did you calculate/adjust League Quality?

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    yeah this is very interesting....you obviously put a lot of work into this, and I tip my hat off to you, good work.

    I don't agree with some of it, but then again, when does everybody agree with everything.
    The concept of league quality is kind of subjective. some people say the 80s was the toughest, I disagree, and feel like the defense was crap, and that theres a difference between good defense and hard fouls. although I cede that it was much tougher to finish at the rim. I feel like it was the early to mid 90s was great. some say the whole of the 90s was ********. so its difficult to peg a number on league quality.

    hard to argue with the top 6. arits Gilmore is very interesting. and I think id take almost everyone under Howard, before howard escept maybe miller, jones, marion, cowens and nique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DallasTrilla23 View Post
    Shawn Marion tho?
    Ok, I think in most metrics defense is undervalued. Marion is a great two-way player.

    Code:
    Name	MP	FG%	3P%	FT%	ORB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
    Marion  36	0.496	0.324	0.803	2.7	8.8	2.1	1.7	1.1	2.0	2.2	14.97
    Aren't many teams in history a player like this wouldn't make much better. He's solid in every category.
    Last edited by Lionel20; 09-23-2014 at 10:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotone1401 View Post
    Worst list I've ever seen, really.
    Of course it is to you.. when you're ready to debate a player(s), I'll be able to take you more seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonJohnHorn View Post
    FRazier over the Big O? And Howard over Stockton Kobe, Malone, Malone, and Russsell? And Dr. J? And Garnett?
    The age factor has Garnett #12, Stockton #14, Dr. J #16, Howard #21. Now let's talk Oscar Roberston, the translation into in 90s covers the pace-adjustment, additionally there was less quality competition at guard in the 60s. Roberston still a top player, declines, especially in assist and rebounds.

    Actual:

    Rebs = 7.5
    Ast = 9.5

    Adjusted

    Rebs = 5.4
    Ast = 6.7

    I do think I may need to adjust his TOV estimate. It's high @ 3.5 per game.

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    This list is whack I can make a better one in a few minutes right here.

    Jordan
    Russell
    Magic
    Bird
    Olajuwon
    Shaq
    Robinson
    Ewing
    Moses
    Robertson
    Kareem
    Barkley
    Julius
    Duncan
    Chamberlain
    Malone
    Pippen
    Isiah
    Drexler
    Nowitzki
    Wilkins
    Bryant
    Garnett
    McHale
    Hayes
    Kemp
    Worthy
    S. Jones
    Havlicek
    Frazier
    Barry
    James
    Wade
    Stockton
    Parish
    D. Thompson
    Miller
    West
    Webber
    K. Johnson
    Archibald
    D. Johnson
    Walton
    Mourning
    L. Johnson
    Rodman
    T. Parker
    A. Mason
    Payton
    Mullin
    H. Grant
    Nance

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThuglifeJ View Post
    This is interesting...but you probably should have looked over your list before publishing so you could take out Shawn Marion and Dwight Howard.

    just sayin
    I'm aware of what I'm doing. This is the initial list, hopefully by posting it for peer review I can fine tune it if need be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Playmaker12 View Post
    This list is whack I can make a better one in a few minutes right here.

    Jordan
    Russell
    Magic
    Bird
    Olajuwon
    Shaq
    Robinson
    Ewing
    Moses
    Robertson
    Kareem
    Barkley
    Julius
    Duncan
    Chamberlain
    Malone
    Pippen
    Isiah
    Drexler
    Nowitzki
    Wilkins
    Bryant
    Garnett
    McHale
    Hayes
    Kemp
    Worthy
    S. Jones
    Havlicek
    Frazier
    Barry
    James
    Wade
    Stockton
    Parish
    D. Thompson
    Miller
    West
    Webber
    K. Johnson
    Archibald
    D. Johnson
    Walton
    Mourning
    L. Johnson
    Rodman
    T. Parker
    A. Mason
    Payton
    Mullin
    H. Grant
    Nance
    Sure dude, what's your criteria? Is that Anthony Mason on your list? May I suggest that you omit the New York Knick factor.

    I have Tracy McGrady in Mason's 46th spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel20 View Post
    The age factor has Garnett #12, Stockton #14, Dr. J #16, Howard #21. Now let's talk Oscar Roberston, the translation into in 90s covers the pace-adjustment, additionally there was less quality competition at guard in the 60s. Roberston still a top player, declines, especially in assist and rebounds.

    Actual:

    Rebs = 7.5
    Ast = 9.5

    Adjusted

    Rebs = 5.4
    Ast = 6.7

    I do think I may need to adjust his TOV estimate. It's high @ 3.5 per game.
    One problem. You're factoring in "past prime stats" with Robertson against all prime stats for Howard. Wait about 8 years on Howard his averages should go way lower.

    Also another problem. Assists in a way were actually harder to get back then. Because the FG% was basically 43% for everyone and certain teams even had chuckers that would run up and shoot the first shot for theirselves. Don't think Robertsons teams did that at all but still his team mates were roughly 44% shooters. Give him some 55% shooters and his assist would be 10 still for his career. I've seen him play he really was a good passer.

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