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  1. #16
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    draft scenerio…

    Good News: Vikings on the clock Rnd 1

    Bad News: Bridgewater, Manziel, Bortles, Clowney and Barr have all come off the board already.

    What to do???

    I say call Dallas and offer selection 1.8 for selections 1.16/17 (whichever Dallas gets) and 2.15/16 (whichever Dallas gets). If the answer is NO…

    Call Cleveland and offer selection 1.8 for selections 1.26(ish - whatever the Indy pick works out to be), 2.3 and 3.7. I let Cleveland negotiate selection 3.19 instead of 3.7 if I have to. If the answer is still NO…

    I think I draft Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State.

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingsfan0845 View Post
    Ryan Shazier projects as a weak side linebacker, not so much as a Mike. However, I am all for getting this kid in the 2nd round. If we stick with a 4-3, I'd like to see Cole and Mauti battle it out for the Mike position with Shazier and Greenway manning the weak and strong sides. I can't remember the last time we had a LB with speed who could cover a RB or TE.
    Hey I'd be all for an outside linebacker too. Our LBs are worst in the league IMO
    Quote Originally Posted by DIRKDIGGGL3R View Post
    I like the plan overall, I would pray that Manziel falls to us so we can hang onto those third rounders. I think you hit nicely on the few Free Agent acquistions too.

    My ideal draft scenario still looks like this:

    Rd 1. Johnny Manziel QB
    Rd 2. Kyle Van Noy LB
    Rd 3. Louchiez Purifoy CB
    Rd 3. Daniel McCullers DT
    Rd 4. Yawin Smallwood LB
    Rd 5. Dion Bailey S
    Rd 6. Antoine Exum CB

    Option B:

    Rd 1. CJ Mosley LB (if we end up switching to a 3-4 then grab Mack instead)
    Rd 2. Gabe Jackson G
    Rd 3. Jimmy Garoppolo QB
    Rd 3. Daniel McCullers DT
    Rd 4. Yawin Smallwood LB
    Rd 5. Dion Baily S
    Rd 6. Antoine Exum
    Draft option B is awesome. If we could get McCullers and Mosley in the same draft that would be phenomenal.
    Quote Originally Posted by VCU4LIFEGOVIKS View Post
    Loving draft option B (Especially if we addressed CB in FA). Glad to see someone else likes McCullers. He could bring to this team what we have been missing since Pat left.
    McCullers reminds me of Big John Henderson when he played for Tennessee. He is such a mountain of a man. Him and Shariff would be insane together.
    Quote Originally Posted by KJL View Post
    draft scenerio…

    Good News: Vikings on the clock Rnd 1

    Bad News: Bridgewater, Manziel, Bortles, Clowney and Barr have all come off the board already.

    What to do???

    I say call Dallas and offer selection 1.8 for selections 1.16/17 (whichever Dallas gets) and 2.15/16 (whichever Dallas gets). If the answer is NO…

    Call Cleveland and offer selection 1.8 for selections 1.26(ish - whatever the Indy pick works out to be), 2.3 and 3.7. I let Cleveland negotiate selection 3.19 instead of 3.7 if I have to. If the answer is still NO…

    I think I draft Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State.

    Thoughts?
    This is a great question because realistically I think this is what we will be dealing with. We screwed ourself out of a premier player in my opinion by having this 8th pick. If we don't move up, I would want to trade the pick. Dennard will be there later and there are no quarterbacks worth taking at that spot, IMO.

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    Would love to find a way to get Ifo Ekpre-Olomu if he decides to declare. Despite his size, I'm also a big fan of Lamarcus Joyner, kind of reminds me of Winfield.
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    I'm a huge shazier fan. If we can get him in round 2 it would be perfect. Especially if we landed bridgewater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KW93KB24 View Post
    I'm a huge shazier fan. If we can get him in round 2 it would be perfect. Especially if we landed bridgewater.
    Seems to me if the Vikes somehow landed Bridgewater there's no way in hell the team would have its 2nd rnd draft pick!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJL View Post
    Seems to me if the Vikes somehow landed Bridgewater there's no way in hell the team would have its 2nd rnd draft pick!
    In that case, **** shazier!!

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    1st thing is sign Gruden as HC.
    2nd who does he sign as DC? Not sure there but I want to say that 3-4 for our Def is the way to go.

    Who do we release, and who stays?

    Release: Offense
    QB-
    Ponder,Freeman
    RB-
    Gerhart, Banyard, Randle.
    FB-
    WR-
    Simpson,Smith,Webb,Childs,Kamar,Thielen
    TE-
    Carlson,
    OL-
    Samuda,Webb,Remmers,Johnson,Murphy
    Release: Defense
    DE-
    Allen,Trattou,Nealy
    DT-
    Williams,Evans,
    LB-
    Dean,Henderson,Mitchell,Bishop,
    CB-
    Cook,Sherels,Edwards,
    S-
    Raymond,Sendejo,Bishop,

    Keep-
    QB-
    Cassel
    RB-
    Peterson,Asiata,
    FB-
    Felton,Line
    WR-
    Patterson,Jennings,Wright,
    TE-
    Rudolph,Ellison,Ford
    OL-
    Kalil,Fusco,Sully,Loadholt,Berger,Baca,

    Keep- Defense
    DE-
    Robison,Griffen,
    DT-
    Floyd,Guion,
    LB-
    Greenway,Cole,Hodges,Mauti
    CB-
    Rhodes,Robinson,Prater,
    S-
    Smith,Sanford


    So here is what I would keep. That leaves 5 starter Pieces missing on Def in a 3-4.
    NT,OLB,MLB,CB,SS.

    Backups needed:
    1 NT,2 OLB's,2 CB's,1 SS
    -Smith-FS -?-SS

    -?CB- -Rhodes-

    -?OLB- -GreenwayMLB- -?MLB- -RobisonOLB-


    -GriffenDE- -?NT- -FloydDE-

    Offense:



    -PattersonWR- -JenningsWR- -KalilOT- -?OG- -SullyC- -?OG- -LoadholtOT- -RudolphTE- -?WR-

    -?QB-

    -PetersonRB-

    Four starters on Offense needs put in.
    QB,WR,2 guards

    Backups: (Off)
    2 RB's,1,QB's,2,wr's,2,ot's

    Who to bring in for FA?:

    I want to Start at DEF
    Starters:
    SS-Byrd
    CB- Browner
    MLB-Beason
    OLB-M Johnson

    Backups:
    CB- Cason,Arenas
    SS-Mays
    OLB-C Wootton

    Offense Fa's

    Starters:
    WR-Decker

    Backups:
    QB-Cassel
    RB's-

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    What's confounding me is the knee jerk reaction everyone is having at the moment to the QB situation. But strangely enough the Vikes offence isn't in that bad a shape. Compare it to 2 years ago, when they made the playoffs - what's different? Harvin out/CP in. With some better play calling, no need to try to roll Ponder the wrong way 3-4 times a game, and better blocking the offence can be what it was. The focus needs to be squarely on rebuilding the D, if the Vikes are able to pick up a QB along the way, then great, but otherwise let's fix the D and pray for a Trent Dlifer like season next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJL View Post
    What's confounding me is the knee jerk reaction everyone is having at the moment to the QB situation. But strangely enough the Vikes offence isn't in that bad a shape. Compare it to 2 years ago, when they made the playoffs - what's different? Harvin out/CP in. With some better play calling, no need to try to roll Ponder the wrong way 3-4 times a game, and better blocking the offence can be what it was. The focus needs to be squarely on rebuilding the D, if the Vikes are able to pick up a QB along the way, then great, but otherwise let's fix the D and pray for a Trent Dlifer like season next year.
    D needs fixing yes, but also Ponder has GOT to go. Guy is fkn garbage

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    Quote Originally Posted by goingfor28 View Post
    D needs fixing yes, but also Ponder has GOT to go. Guy is fkn garbage
    I can give you that - may have to live with Cassel, Schaub or Vick for a year - but I'll give u that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJL View Post
    I can give you that - may have to live with Cassel, Schaub or Vick for a year - but I'll give u that.
    Vick hasn't lasted a full year since 2006 and that's the only season hes played all 16 games in his career.... So I wouldn't count on him.
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    This build was modeled after the Bengals recent success.

    HC I'm hiring M. Zimmer. He will keep this team in a 4-3 but with a much more aggressive/creative style of attack. Zimmer will whip this team into shape, he likes physical football.

    OC I'm hiring Chud. I think he can manage a QB's success. He helped D. Anderson make it to the pro bowl, and he had Hoyer and Campbell playing good for him last year. The success that Gordon and Cameron had under him is a testament to his ability to get the ball to his playmakers.

    Players that I dismiss one way or the other
    Offense Ponder, Freeman, Gerhart, Carlson, C. Johnson, Joe Webb, Simpson
    Defense Allen, Kevin Wiliams, Guion, Chad Greenway, E. Henderson, M. Mitchell, Bishop, Cook

    Allen and K Will deserve a better shot at a SB before retirement, both are done as Pro Bowl caliber players. Greenway gets destroyed in coverage year after year, this year his play against the run slipped dramatically. On top of his poor play is his high salary and increasing age. As hard off as we are at LB I'm letting him go.

    FA My first choice is A, but since those players might be resigned I included my backup plan's, I'm not signing all options, just one in most cases.
    QB A. M. Vick B. McCown C. Cassel
    I'm really starting to cozy up to the idea of Vick. Our new OC likes to challenge teams deep and Vick has a great deep ball, something the Vikings have lacked for most of the Peterson era. Vick can help get the offense I'm assembling for him into one of the top units in the NFL. McCown is my plan B because he stretches the field and takes care of the ball. I'm not in love with Cassel I think his physical limitation's will ultimately limit this offense.
    LG A. J. Asamoah B. G. Schwartz C. T. Wharton D. Richie Incognito
    Asamoah is a RG so I'm not sure if he or Fusco could play LG, but he is a top 20 rated G last season and is only 25. Schwartz was the 8th rated G and Wharton the 5th. Incognito is a solid blocker that could come cheap due to his baggage. Since we rely on the run so much I think its very important to not have any weak links in your starting 5.
    DT A. P. Soliai B. R. Starks C. L. Joseph
    Both Soliai and Starks are 30, but they are both good at stuffing the run and that NT presence has been missing on this D. L Joseph is a higher risk signing since he's unproven, but he has a lot of upside.
    LB J. Worilds and V. Rey
    I want to sign them both. V. Rey for depth mostly, but we could start him if we had to. Rey knows Zimmer's D, he was a backup ILB for the Bengals
    CB A. Verner B. Captain Munnerlyn C. Walter Thurmond D. Chris Harris
    Verner was a shutdown CB last year, he is 25 and would make a great paring with Rhodes, my #1 target. I'd be thrilled at any of the 4 because they can all cover people in this league.

    Recap So if all goes according to plan we sign Vick, Asamoah, Soliai, Verner, Worilds and Rey. I know that might seem like a lot to spend, and normally I wouldn't suggest relying so much on free agents, but this team has more problems then the 2014 draft can fix, more then the #8 pick can fix. I don't want to be locked into taking a defender at 8 that isn't going to be a cure all anyway. We owe it to Peterson to get competitive in a hurry, hell, they owe it to us fans as well.

    Draft Mimic the Bengals
    1. WR Sammy Watkins
    2. OLB Kyle Van Noy
    2. QB Jimmy Garoppolo
    4. NT Daniel McCullers

    I'm taking Watkins with the 8th pick because he's a top 5 talent, will be BPA when the Vikings pick, and he's the true #1 WR we've been missing since Moss. Watkins will challenge teams vertically and make teams think twice about loading the box for AD or blitzing the QB. OLB Kyle Van Noy has outstanding athleticism, does extremely well in pass coverage and playing in space, and is also a very talented pass rusher. A perfect fit as a Zimmer 4-3 OLB. Jimmy Garoppolo is our version of Dalton. Dalton has a quick release and was a 2nd round pick after the Bengals took AJ Green. The QB with the best release in this draft, you guessed it, Jimmy Garoppolo. What impresses me besides his quick release is his accuracy, his rapid fire decision making, and his willingness to test every level of a D. McCullers is a project NT but Zimmer likes his big D lineman ala M. Johnson and M. Hunt. As for the rest of the draft we need a DE, backup for Floyd, and a nickel CB.

    QB Vick, Garoppolo
    RB Peterson, Asiata
    FB Felton
    WR Watkins, Patterson, Jennings, Wright
    TE Rudolph, Ellison, Ford
    LT Kalil
    LG J. Asamoah
    C. Sully
    RG Fusco
    RT Loadholt

    RE Griffin
    3T Floyd
    NT Soliai, Evans, McCullers
    LE Robison
    LOLB Worilds
    ILB Cole, V. Rey
    ROLB Kyle Van Noy, Hodges
    CB X. Rhodes, A. Verner, Robinson
    Nickel CB Sherels
    FS H. Smith, Sanford
    SS Sendejo, Sanford

    I start Sendejo at SS because of his tackling and TE coverage ability. Zimmer likes to blitz S's and play them in the box quite often, Sendejo would be perfect for this. Verner and Rhodes will be left alone a lot so our D can attack the QB. Soliai will eat up double teams to clear up the LB's and stuff the run. On offense I think the additions of Watkins and Vick's ability to throw deep open up the offense and gets the 8th man out of the box. With the addition of Asamoah this should be a top end line blocking against 7 man fronts. Then you add in the playmaking ability Patterson has and the things he can do in space. Then you have the 4th and 5th options in Jennings and Rudolph, watch out.

    Don't think this team can't compete next year, if the chiefs can have a turnaround like they did I see no reason why this team couldn't duplicate those results.
    Last edited by Dayman26; 01-04-2014 at 09:13 AM.

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    I think Dayman hit it pretty well.

    Zim and Chud would be good at the top as would cover both defense and offense.

    Agree with your cuts.

    Some disagreement about the offense and draft.

    Don't see Vick as an option. Always hurt not a team leader.

    Would draft a QB even if we have to trade up. Go Get Bridgwater or Bortles.

    If Bridgewater he starts day 1. If Bortles likely bring back Cassel for one more year to take the reigns while Bortles gets up to speed. Likely going to cost us but without a franchise QB we are treading water.

    Anything left in the draft go for D as we need LB, DT most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specialiststeve View Post
    I think Dayman hit it pretty well.

    Zim and Chud would be good at the top as would cover both defense and offense.

    Agree with your cuts.

    Some disagreement about the offense and draft.

    Don't see Vick as an option. Always hurt not a team leader.

    Would draft a QB even if we have to trade up. Go Get Bridgwater or Bortles.

    If Bridgewater he starts day 1. If Bortles likely bring back Cassel for one more year to take the reigns while Bortles gets up to speed. Likely going to cost us but without a franchise QB we are treading water.

    Anything left in the draft go for D as we need LB, DT most.
    I just don't think the draft is going to allow us to move up, 4 out of the top 5 in the draft are going to be looking to QB and won't trade back. Stl is a possibility but we'd have to trade our 2nd and then some to do it. I don't like Bortles, I think he's got a weird release and Gabbert written all over him. I'm just not convinced he's a first round pick. We have no shot at getting Bridgewater, so put it out of your minds. The only way we get a QB is if Hundley declares, and in that case either Carr or Manziel would fall to us. I think Huntley stays however. We can't just be locked into taking a QB with the 8th pick, that was what we did when we got Ponder. Saying I'm going to get my QB round 1 no matter what is a seriously flawed strategy. The only way I move up to 2 is if Hundley declares.
    1. Hou -Bridgewater
    2. Stl - Jake Mathews
    3. Jax - Bortles
    4. Cle - Manziel
    5. Oak - Carr
    6. Atl - Clowney
    7. TB - Barr
    8. MN

    The QB I have us taking I like more than Bortles and Manziel. He's got a better release and accuracy then both them. When we took Ponder the Bengals and SF waited till the 2nd, there was a mad dash of QB's at the top. The Bengals and SF are in the playoffs right now while the Titans and Vikings have fired their coach and Jax has been one of the worst teams in the NFL.

    I will agree that Vick's health is a concern, but his arm and leg talent are still there. I disagree with you about being a leader. He led the Falcons to an NFC championship beating GB in GB, and didn't make a scene when getting benched this year. I'm worried about him getting hurt, but I thinking we could ask him to do less with his legs and the read option stuff and if he gets hurt we'd have the young guy to fill in here and there, good experience for a rookie without the pressure's of immediately preforming a full season. By the time the rookie has to play he'd have several months of learning the offense under his belt.

    If we move up in this draft there will be no decent picks to draft for D. Follow the Bengals and SF and we will be contenders just like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dayman26 View Post
    This build was modeled after the Bengals recent success.

    HC I'm hiring M. Zimmer. He will keep this team in a 4-3 but with a much more aggressive/creative style of attack. Zimmer will whip this team into shape, he likes physical football.

    OC I'm hiring Chud. I think he can manage a QB's success. He helped D. Anderson make it to the pro bowl, and he had Hoyer and Campbell playing good for him last year. The success that Gordon and Cameron had under him is a testament to his ability to get the ball to his playmakers.

    Players that I dismiss one way or the other
    Offense Ponder, Freeman, Gerhart, Carlson, C. Johnson, Joe Webb, Simpson
    Defense Allen, Kevin Wiliams, Guion, Chad Greenway, E. Henderson, M. Mitchell, Bishop, Cook

    Allen and K Will deserve a better shot at a SB before retirement, both are done as Pro Bowl caliber players. Greenway gets destroyed in coverage year after year, this year his play against the run slipped dramatically. On top of his poor play is his high salary and increasing age. As hard off as we are at LB I'm letting him go.

    FA My first choice is A, but since those players might be resigned I included my backup plan's, I'm not signing all options, just one in most cases.
    QB A. M. Vick B. McCown C. Cassel
    I'm really starting to cozy up to the idea of Vick. Our new OC likes to challenge teams deep and Vick has a great deep ball, something the Vikings have lacked for most of the Peterson era. Vick can help get the offense I'm assembling for him into one of the top units in the NFL. McCown is my plan B because he stretches the field and takes care of the ball. I'm not in love with Cassel I think his physical limitation's will ultimately limit this offense.
    LG A. J. Asamoah B. G. Schwartz C. T. Wharton D. Richie Incognito
    Asamoah is a RG so I'm not sure if he or Fusco could play LG, but he is a top 20 rated G last season and is only 25. Schwartz was the 8th rated G and Wharton the 5th. Incognito is a solid blocker that could come cheap due to his baggage. Since we rely on the run so much I think its very important to not have any weak links in your starting 5.
    DT A. P. Soliai B. R. Starks C. L. Joseph
    Both Soliai and Starks are 30, but they are both good at stuffing the run and that NT presence has been missing on this D. L Joseph is a higher risk signing since he's unproven, but he has a lot of upside.
    LB J. Worilds and V. Rey
    I want to sign them both. V. Rey for depth mostly, but we could start him if we had to. Rey knows Zimmer's D, he was a backup ILB for the Bengals
    CB A. Verner B. Captain Munnerlyn C. Walter Thurmond D. Chris Harris
    Verner was a shutdown CB last year, he is 25 and would make a great paring with Rhodes, my #1 target. I'd be thrilled at any of the 4 because they can all cover people in this league.

    Recap So if all goes according to plan we sign Vick, Asamoah, Soliai, Verner, Worilds and Rey. I know that might seem like a lot to spend, and normally I wouldn't suggest relying so much on free agents, but this team has more problems then the 2014 draft can fix, more then the #8 pick can fix. I don't want to be locked into taking a defender at 8 that isn't going to be a cure all anyway. We owe it to Peterson to get competitive in a hurry, hell, they owe it to us fans as well.

    Draft Mimic the Bengals
    1. WR Sammy Watkins
    2. OLB Kyle Van Noy
    2. QB Jimmy Garoppolo
    4. NT Daniel McCullers

    I'm taking Watkins with the 8th pick because he's a top 5 talent, will be BPA when the Vikings pick, and he's the true #1 WR we've been missing since Moss. Watkins will challenge teams vertically and make teams think twice about loading the box for AD or blitzing the QB. OLB Kyle Van Noy has outstanding athleticism, does extremely well in pass coverage and playing in space, and is also a very talented pass rusher. A perfect fit as a Zimmer 4-3 OLB. Jimmy Garoppolo is our version of Dalton. Dalton has a quick release and was a 2nd round pick after the Bengals took AJ Green. The QB with the best release in this draft, you guessed it, Jimmy Garoppolo. What impresses me besides his quick release is his accuracy, his rapid fire decision making, and his willingness to test every level of a D. McCullers is a project NT but Zimmer likes his big D lineman ala M. Johnson and M. Hunt. As for the rest of the draft we need a DE, backup for Floyd, and a nickel CB.

    QB Vick, Garoppolo
    RB Peterson, Asiata
    FB Felton
    WR Watkins, Patterson, Jennings, Wright
    TE Rudolph, Ellison, Ford
    LT Kalil
    LG J. Asamoah
    C. Sully
    RG Fusco
    RT Loadholt

    RE Griffin
    3T Floyd
    NT Soliai, Evans, McCullers
    LE Robison
    LOLB Worilds
    ILB Cole, V. Rey
    ROLB Kyle Van Noy, Hodges
    CB X. Rhodes, A. Verner, Robinson
    Nickel CB Sherels
    FS H. Smith, Sanford
    SS Sendejo, Sanford

    I start Sendejo at SS because of his tackling and TE coverage ability. Zimmer likes to blitz S's and play them in the box quite often, Sendejo would be perfect for this. Verner and Rhodes will be left alone a lot so our D can attack the QB. Soliai will eat up double teams to clear up the LB's and stuff the run. On offense I think the additions of Watkins and Vick's ability to throw deep open up the offense and gets the 8th man out of the box. With the addition of Asamoah this should be a top end line blocking against 7 man fronts. Then you add in the playmaking ability Patterson has and the things he can do in space. Then you have the 4th and 5th options in Jennings and Rudolph, watch out.

    Don't think this team can't compete next year, if the chiefs can have a turnaround like they did I see no reason why this team couldn't duplicate those results.
    Sorry buddy but this isn't madden. We may not even sign a single one of those guys you mentioned. Trust me on this when I guarantee you that Mike Vick will not be wearing purple next season. Spielman is looking for the QB of the future, not a washed up bum who can next stay healthy. If you think we are going to make that kind of splash this offseason then you are in for a big disappointment.

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