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    So Jordan averaged 37 ppg without a 3 point shot?

    Which current players could average even 30 without a 3 point shot? Guys like Lebron, Kobe, Durant and Melo all average at least 3 ppg from deep. Jordan hit just 12 total 3's that year.


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    how many points did the league teams average back then and how many do they do now?

    adjust the pace.
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    that was a weak era of basketball. You had guys that werent even stars avg 25. Outside the lakers,celtics and pistons toward the end of the 90s the league was terrible. Scoring was way up the worst teams used to score 110 so obv pace higher

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    Being an incredible ballhog or simply have a faster pace?
    Shooting 28 times a game and 12 FT a game?

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    Players don't operate in the mid range anymore. Its all about 3s and barreling to the rim. The space in between is pretty much irrelevant in todays game where it was relished in the past. I blame the way the game is called. The most efficient way to score is barreling the lane for touch fouls and players know they can attack like a madman and search for contact and get 2 points without even making a basketball play or legitimate shot attempt. Walt Frazier speaks on this all the time, shooting off the dribble is a lost art.

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    That was his second year in the league, so coaches didn't know just how good Jordan was yet. Also he played 40 minutes per game, and had some incredible defense. Defense and aggression is what brought him so many buckets. They made the playoffs as an 8th seed, and were swept by the Celtics. So they were not competing for a championship, and gave Jordan all the freedom in the world. GOAT

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    Your #2 has to be a guy like Charles Oakley (who had his career high in 18 seasons of 14.5 ppg that year as their 2nd leading scorer).

    And although the pace was quicker then, those Bulls at a 95.8 were the slowest team in the league. They would rank somewhere in between the Rockets and Spurs in pace this season. Jordan did it by taking a lot of shots/hitting them with efficiency and getting to the rack A LOT and hitting his FT's with high efficiency when he was fouled (which was a lot).

    He also put up 36/7/6 (albeit not as efficiently as the reg season) against the 87 Celtics in the playoffs - which is one of the GOAT dynasties. He could do it against anyone. It wasn't pace or a perceived lack of comp (lmao at that comment when talking about the late 80's).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BklynKnicks3 View Post
    that was a weak era of basketball. You had guys that werent even stars avg 25. Outside the lakers,celtics and pistons toward the end of the 90s the league was terrible. Scoring was way up the worst teams used to score 110 so obv pace higher

    yOu got no clue what you are talking bout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BklynKnicks3 View Post
    that was a weak era of basketball. You had guys that werent even stars avg 25. Outside the lakers,celtics and pistons toward the end of the 90s the league was terrible. Scoring was way up the worst teams used to score 110 so obv pace higher
    Really? Take a look at the scoring averages from 1995-2010 (below). I don't know about the higher pace, and I sure don't see any 110 averages....

    2009-10 100.2
    2008-09 99.95
    2007-08 99.92
    2006-07 98.7
    2005-06 97.0
    2004-05 97.2
    2003-04 93.4
    2002-03 95.1
    2001-02 95.5
    2000-01 94.8
    1999-00 97.5
    1998-99 91.6
    1997-98 95.6
    1996-97 96.9
    1995-96 99.5
    1994-95 101.4

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    I understand tons of shot attempts, free throws etc but an,efficient 37 ppg when teams were WAY more physical? Sad that the post game and midrange jumper are dying. Like people above said seems like now it's only 3's or drive to the basket for touch fouls.


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    iam talkin about the 80s when jordan avg 37 not 95-2010
    Quote Originally Posted by USAF_AMMO View Post
    Really? Take a look at the scoring averages from 1995-2010 (below). I don't know about the higher pace, and I sure don't see any 110 averages....

    2009-10 100.2
    2008-09 99.95
    2007-08 99.92
    2006-07 98.7
    2005-06 97.0
    2004-05 97.2
    2003-04 93.4
    2002-03 95.1
    2001-02 95.5
    2000-01 94.8
    1999-00 97.5
    1998-99 91.6
    1997-98 95.6
    1996-97 96.9
    1995-96 99.5
    1994-95 101.4

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    the year jordan avg 37 no team avg less then 104 ppg most the league was 110 and 4 teams over 115

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    I would think Kobe, Durant, Lebron, Carmelo and many other great scorers can average mid to high 30's when they are taking 28 shots and being MJ superstar foul calls (MJ got way better treatment than Kobe, LEbron, Durant, etc to get to the line) during the 80's.

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    Yes it was a different type of a game as not many 3's were taking but Jordan was unstoppable, the only way to beat him was to make him shoot the long ball but he was just so good at getting to the basket better than anyone else ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Leethal View Post
    Players don't operate in the mid range anymore. Its all about 3s and barreling to the rim. The space in between is pretty much irrelevant in todays game where it was relished in the past. I blame the way the game is called.
    Why not blame the far bigger benefactor of this seemingly sacrilegious(thank you spell check) offense? The 3PT shot. Getting to the cup has always been relished, shots nearest to the hoop are still the most efficient arent they?

    Its just, if you are not your teams best player, the best way for you to make an impact with jumpshots is to stretch D's all the way out out, and put it on the floor against the contest. Having a midrange jumper is more vital for stars IMO but that can vary depending on the players skill/talent.

    Slashing has always been a part of the game, its not like the free throw attempts have risen because players have decided to ditch the midrange jumpshot into forays to the rim, what about, midrange jumpshots have been replaced by 3's?

    If you look at the proportions of fta attempts taken per fga, its a steady curve when compare to the outright spike in rate of possessions ending with a 3. And its no coincidence that all the best teams are utilizing the shot. Modern game

    The most efficient way to score is barreling the lane for touch fouls and players know they can attack like a madman and search for contact and get 2 points without even making a basketball play or legitimate shot attempt.
    And yet very lil difference in the rate of ft attempts.....

    FTA/FGA throughout history:

    1979.232

    (3pt line introduced)

    1980: .235
    1981: .245
    1982: .241
    1983: .233
    1984: .255
    1985: .252

    1988: .254
    1990: .250
    1992: .232
    1993: .243
    1994: .232
    ---------- Hand Checking Augments
    1995: .245

    1996: .243

    1998: .243

    2000: .231
    2001: .231
    ----------- Hand Checking Augment
    2005: .245
    2006: .248
    2007: .246
    2008: .231
    2009: .236
    2010: .228
    2011: .229
    2012: .208
    2013: .204



    WOW!
    Until this very moment, I had not realized what a drastically low number of free throws we've seen of late.

    This doesn't prove my point but it does lead us to ask why. Whats with the low rate of Free throws?


    Walt Frazier speaks on this all the time, shooting off the dribble is a lost art.
    I love Clyde but out of curiosity, have you read any of Frazier's books?
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