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    *What is the direction of this franchise? I feel like they are never going to win a championship. Their roster has hope to make the playoffs in a few years, but unless they get a #1 or #2 draft pick, i dont see how they are going to become great in the next 10 years. I think their roster is too good to finish in the bottom 2 or 3 records in the league.
    *They are 0-10 since Big Baby Glen Davis went down with a shoulder injury. They won 4 in a row before he got hurt and they were looking like they were going to fight for a playoff spot.
    *Is Jacque Vaughn the right guy for the job?
    *Is Orlando an attractive Free Agent destination? Is Orlando considered a small market??
    *I feel like nobody ever talks about the Magic. Are they worth talking about or are they never going to be a title contender?
    *Is this thread going to get no attention just like the Orlando Magic?
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    Bulls Suck.

    They have to bottom out and get some high picks. Since they are in Florida, they should be somewhat attractive to NBA players.

    Some of their deals to me make no sense, but I expect they will be major sellers during the trade deadline (Basically everyone but Nicolson and Vuvicec)

    If those two can keep developing, they might have a stable front 4 and 5. Also, they should be able to add in the next drafts a PG as well as a SF. Then they can look to free agency in 2014 with that cap space to solidify their team.

    They aren't as screwed as some other teams that are holding huge contracts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CubsBullsBucs View Post
    *What is the direction of this franchise? I feel like they are never going to win a championship. Their roster has hope to make the playoffs in a few years, but unless they get a #1 or #2 draft pick, i dont see how they are going to become great in the next 10 years. I think their roster is too good to finish in the bottom 2 or 3 records in the league.
    *They are 0-10 since Big Baby Glen Davis went down with a shoulder injury. They won 4 in a row before he got hurt and they were looking like they were going to fight for a playoff spot.
    *Is Jacque Vaughn the right guy for the job?
    *Is Orlando an attractive Free Agent destination? Is Orlando considered a small market??
    *I feel like nobody ever talks about the Magic. Are they worth talking about or are they never going to be a title contender?
    *Is this thread going to get no attention just like the Orlando Magic?
    1. They're rebuilding. That's their direction. Why are you speaking about "never". "Never" is a long time. The Magic have a ton of work to do, and there is very little on this roster than will be a part of the future. It's hard to gauge anything now.
    2. Losing is good right now. They've been competitive in most every one of those 10 games too. Hopefully this tricks GMs into thinking Baby is better than he is so we can trade his ***. The Magic were overachieving. Their defense was playing like a top 10 defense in the NBA up until this losing streak. It's finally CRASHING back down towards the mean. They're not as good as they were playing...that was just overachievement.
    3. I have no idea...hard to judge a coach in charge of a team with very little talent
    4. It has been at times in the past...we may soon find out again. Amazing arena. Family friendly town. Nice weather. Etc.
    5. Again, I don't know how you can be discussing "ever" here. The Magic were talked about plenty in recent years, and years before. They just blew it up...not sure what you expect. It's gonna take time to get back to the top.
    6. Are you baiting? Still mad we didn't trade Dwight to Chicago (thank God)?


    If I'm GM, I try to sell off everyone not named Vucevic. I like Harkless and Nicholson too, but they aren't "untouchables". Get draft picks, shed cap...and go from there. It will take time...but I'm patient.
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    Interesting thread ...

    As of right now we are a top 7 pick... come the deadline guys like redick Nelson Davis Harrington afflalo mcroberts could be moved which will make us much worse ...

    Next year we will prob suck some more but come 2014 we will have enough money for 2 Max.deals along with young potential like andrew Nicholson ... Moe harkless .... nick vucevic ... and 2 top ten players from this coming draft and the following one

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    How can you say that a team is never going to win a championship? Maybe not in the near future but for all you know this team could end up with 5 all stars, 6th man of the year, perfect team chemistry, an amazing coach and a bad *** bench and go 82-0. You never know what's going to happen in the future.


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    If your team picks him in the top 10, the GM should be fired. Every year there are comparable talents to Steph who go undrafted. He is not worth a first round pick, let alone a lottery pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRamForPrez24 View Post
    6. Are you baiting? Still mad we didn't trade Dwight to Chicago (thank God)?
    Uh no. I was one of the few who wasnt crazy about Dwight. Ya i wouldve been happy if we got him but i love Jo. If a Magic fan made this thread then everyone wouldve put it off. Im trying to give Orlando some love not kick them while theyre down...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThaDubs View Post
    How can you say that a team is never going to win a championship? Maybe not in the near future but for all you know this team could end up with 5 all stars, 6th man of the year, perfect team chemistry, an amazing coach and a bad *** bench and go 82-0. You never know what's going to happen in the future.
    It was implied that we were assuming i am not a zen wizard/psychic. You are right the near future and probably longer than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CubsBullsBucs View Post
    *What is the direction of this franchise? I feel like they are never going to win a championship. Their roster has hope to make the playoffs in a few years, but unless they get a #1 or #2 draft pick, i dont see how they are going to become great in the next 10 years. I think their roster is too good to finish in the bottom 2 or 3 records in the league.
    *They are 0-10 since Big Baby Glen Davis went down with a shoulder injury. They won 4 in a row before he got hurt and they were looking like they were going to fight for a playoff spot.
    *Is Jacque Vaughn the right guy for the job?
    *Is Orlando an attractive Free Agent destination? Is Orlando considered a small market??
    *I feel like nobody ever talks about the Magic. Are they worth talking about or are they never going to be a title contender?
    *Is this thread going to get no attention just like the Orlando Magic?
    Duh

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    Quote Originally Posted by CubsBullsBucs View Post

    *Is Orlando an attractive Free Agent destination?
    http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/spo...ee-agents.html

    The ironic thing about the whole Dwight-wants-to-leave-Orlando-for-a-bigger-market story is that Orlando isnít exactly an undesirable NBA city.

    Itís not New York City or Los Angeles, obviously. But itís not Milwaukee or Minneapolis, either, teams whose locations and history limit their participation in free agency and trade talks.

    Warm weather, no state income tax, decent night life, a respected coach and committed ownership make Orlando Magic a team NBA players donít mind playing for. A Sports Illustrated piece ranking the NBAís most attractive free-agency destinations in 2009 put Orlando at No. 5. Chris Paul put Orlando atop his wish-list last summer (although, all things considered, Dwight Howard had more to do with that than the organization or city).

    Indeed, Orlando has been an attractive destination for NBA movers in the past.

    The Magic made one of the biggest free-agent hauls in NBA history on Aug. 3, 2000, when they acquired coveted free agents Grant Hill and Tracy McGrady on the same day. Hill, before all of the ankle injuries, was arguably the leagueís best player at the time. And McGrady was a blossoming star out of Toronto.

    Thatís not mentioning Tim Duncan, who narrowed his free-agent choice down to San Antonio and Orlando before deciding to re-sign with the more familiar Spurs that same year.

    Several other good players ó old and young, overpaid and underpaid ó have left their old teams for the Magic, such as Horace Grant, Bo Outlaw, Patrick Ewing, Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis. Thatís not a terrible free-agent haul for a 21-year-old franchise thatís possessed at least one superstar Ė and a superstar contract ó for most of its existence.

    The point is, even if Howard leaves, itís not necessarily in the Magicís best interest for free-agency rules to be stricter. Whenever the Magic have cap space ó and, yes, that could be a ways away Ė theyíll be in consideration for the top-tier free agents of the summer. Thatís not the case in Sacramento or Milwaukee or Memphis or Utah or Cleveland.

    Even if thereís been a high-profile player or two want out of town, Orlando is one of a dozen or so cities that can attract NBA free agents.
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    The point is, even if Howard leaves, it’s not necessarily in the Magic’s best interest for free-agency rules to be stricter. Whenever the Magic have cap space — and, yes, that could be a ways away – they’ll be in consideration for the top-tier free agents of the summer. That’s not the case in Sacramento or Milwaukee or Memphis or Utah or Cleveland.
    Thats definitely not the case in Sacramento...

    Too soon?? :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRamForPrez24 View Post
    1. They're rebuilding. That's their direction. Why are you speaking about "never". "Never" is a long time. The Magic have a ton of work to do, and there is very little on this roster than will be a part of the future. It's hard to gauge anything now.
    2. Losing is good right now. They've been competitive in most every one of those 10 games too. Hopefully this tricks GMs into thinking Baby is better than he is so we can trade his ***. The Magic were overachieving. Their defense was playing like a top 10 defense in the NBA up until this losing streak. It's finally CRASHING back down towards the mean. They're not as good as they were playing...that was just overachievement.
    3. I have no idea...hard to judge a coach in charge of a team with very little talent
    4. It has been at times in the past...we may soon find out again. Amazing arena. Family friendly town. Nice weather. Etc.
    5. Again, I don't know how you can be discussing "ever" here. The Magic were talked about plenty in recent years, and years before. They just blew it up...not sure what you expect. It's gonna take time to get back to the top.
    6. Are you baiting? Still mad we didn't trade Dwight to Chicago (thank God)?


    If I'm GM, I try to sell off everyone not named Vucevic. I like Harkless and Nicholson too, but they aren't "untouchables". Get draft picks, shed cap...and go from there. It will take time...but I'm patient.
    I agree with everything here. Except i really like Vaughn. For him to keep his team motivated without yelling all the time, that says a lot. If you yell too much players are just going to tune you out. I like his coaching aproach.

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    hahaha an orlando magic bashing thread... way to have a completely unbias and neutral first post OP...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRamForPrez24 View Post
    1. They're rebuilding. That's their direction. Why are you speaking about "never". "Never" is a long time. The Magic have a ton of work to do, and there is very little on this roster than will be a part of the future. It's hard to gauge anything now.
    2. Losing is good right now. They've been competitive in most every one of those 10 games too. Hopefully this tricks GMs into thinking Baby is better than he is so we can trade his ***. The Magic were overachieving. Their defense was playing like a top 10 defense in the NBA up until this losing streak. It's finally CRASHING back down towards the mean. They're not as good as they were playing...that was just overachievement.
    3. I have no idea...hard to judge a coach in charge of a team with very little talent
    4. It has been at times in the past...we may soon find out again. Amazing arena. Family friendly town. Nice weather. Etc.
    5. Again, I don't know how you can be discussing "ever" here. The Magic were talked about plenty in recent years, and years before. They just blew it up...not sure what you expect. It's gonna take time to get back to the top.
    6. Are you baiting? Still mad we didn't trade Dwight to Chicago (thank God)?


    If I'm GM, I try to sell off everyone not named Vucevic. I like Harkless and Nicholson too, but they aren't "untouchables". Get draft picks, shed cap...and go from there. It will take time...but I'm patient.
    he probably has an ex-boyfriend in Orlando or something..

    im in agreement with what manram is saying. we are rebuilding. the Thunder were in this same position at one point. We have a coach who worked under Pop and a GM who worked with the Thunder as they were reubuilding. I think the future is bright, but the short term is not. We welcome competitive losses at this point. I say give us 2-3 years, we'll be more relevant than people expect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5ass View Post
    I agree with everything here. Except i really like Vaughn. For him to keep his team motivated without yelling all the time, that says a lot. If you yell too much players are just going to tune you out. I like his coaching aproach.
    I do like Vaughn, but I do think it's a bit hard to judge him. We've been really competitive lately, even though we've lost 10 in a row. Is our inability to close out games purely just due to a lack of talent, or is it coaching? I don't think anyone can definitively answer that.
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    On behalf of Bulls fans everywhere i apologize for this disgrace of a thread.
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