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    NBA ReDraft Playoffs 2nd Round: 2) Hartford vs. 3) Valencia

    Welcome to the 2012 NBA ReDraft voting process. The redraft is exactly how it sounds. The rosters of every NBA team are cleared and then drafted again from scratch. Posters from the site draft full rosters under a salary cap and then there is a voting process to make the playoffs. We are now in the playoffs and the head to head matchups have begun. Please remember to vote for the roster and write-up you believe would win a 7 game series. Also remember that every player is considered as healthy for these playoffs. Thank you and enjoy the playoffs!

    Hartford:
    Kyle Lowry - Brandon Knight - Brian Scalabrine
    Iman Shumpert - Shannon Brown - Brian Scalabrine
    Jared Dudley - Vince Carter - Brian Scalabrine
    Carlos Boozer - Drew Gooden - Brian Scalabrine
    Andrew Bynum - Shelden Williams - Andre Drummond - Brian Scalabrine

    Valencia:
    PG: Chris Paul | Jannero Pargo
    SG: Nick Young | Michael Redd | Keith Bogans
    SF: Danillo Gallinari | Chris Singleton
    PF: Taj Gibson | Kenyon Martin
    C: Brook Lopez | Greg Stiemsma | Hamed Haddadi


    Hartford Writeup
    Cliff notes on why Hartford will win:
    1) While Valencia has CP3, we have one of the top defensive point guards in the NBA to defend him.
    2) Valencia has no one in the paint to defend the combination of Boozer-Bynum together.
    3) Home court advantage for Hartford. (LOOKING AT YOU, JB - I HAVE T-MAC's COUSIN TOO!)
    4) Dudley will match Gallo’s productivity.
    5) Shumpert will shut down Young.
    6) Boozer will out produce Gibson.
    7) Hartford has a more productive bench.

    Looking at the point guard matchup will show a clear advantage in Valencia’s favor, but Lowry is an excellent player in his own right. He is one of the top defensive point guards in the NBA, and he’s playing alongside Shumpert whom also happens to be an excellent perimeter defender. We believe that the two players paired together will be able to help contain Chris Paul. Paul is a great player, but he’s not going to carry an offense with his own point production. He’s best utilized setting up his teammates and attacking defenses when the opportunity arises…We feel that Lowry and Shumpert can limit those opportunities significantly. Paul and Lowry matched up twice in 2012, and both players shot the same percentage from the field in each matchup. Just looking at the names makes it look like a landslide advantage for Valencia, but Lowry can hold his own against Paul.

    Looking at the matchup at shooting guard, I see an elite perimeter defender (Shumpert) matched up against a streaky, inconsistent wing scorer with a poor shot selection. Matching elite defense with a chucker means counter-productivity for Valencia. Nick Young will be forced to take poor shots due to Shumpert’s pressure defense, and he will do more harm for good in this series. Nick Young played with Chris Paul last year for the Clippers and he shot UNDER 40% from the field, while accounting for a pretty awful WS/48 of .040. ..Why would this year be any different? Young is hardly a starting quality guard for a playoff team right now, and Shumpert can absolutely shut him down over the length of a series.

    Jared Dudley and Danilo Gallinari is a virtual wash. Last season:


    Jared Dudley was a much more efficient offensive player than Danilo Gallinari last year. Dudley shot better percentages in every scenario, and he’s much more effective as a shooter. They rebounded at the same rate. The only thing Gallo does slightly better is facilitating for teammates. Dudley is my 4th option on offense. Gallo is Valencia’s second or third option. My fourth option is more efficient than their 2nd/3rd option.

    Looking at the power forward matchup is interesting. Boozer vs. his backup. Gibson is a good defensive player for sure, but Boozer is the more complete player by a decent margin. Last season, Boozer averaged 15/8 on 53+% shooting. Valencia is going to try to sell you on Gibson’s defense, but lets look at the actual production:



    Boozer outproduced Gibson across the board. He was starting for a reason. People want to credit Thibs for Boozer’s defensive metrics? The same asterisk should be placed upon Gibson. I’d take Boozer 10 times out of 10 over Gibson in this matchup.

    Here’s the real laugher: Bynum vs Lopez. Lopez is an absolutely terrible defender, a pitiful rebounder, and his only saving grace as a player is his offensive ability. Bynum is a much better player than Lopez, and he would abuse him over the length of this series.

    I’d compare Bynum’s season last year to Lopez’….But Lopez was injured the entire year..

    Last year, Bynum took the next step as a player. He averaged 19 points, 12 rebounds, accounted for a .183 WS/48, and posted great rebound rates. We feel that he would be able to take advantage of Lopez with ease after what we saw this past season. Lopez might be a productive offensive player, but Bynum is much better overall.

    Looking at the two benches also paints an advantage in Hartford’s favor. We’re bringing FIVE NBA starters off of our bench, as well as a draft lotter pick. Brandon Knight, Shannon Brown, Vince Carter, Drew Gooden and Shelden Williams all played major minutes as starters for stretches of last season, and we’re bringing them off the bench as reserves! To add to that, we have Andre Drummond, one of the most athletic players in the draft, and an excellent defensive player to help our front court rotation. Our bench has everything you could need: Shooters, defenders, floor spacers, slashers, big men that can rebound and defend…we have it all.

    Looking at my team you will see that every player has a defined role that they fit into very well.

    Lowry is a great spot up shooter, excels at running the pick and roll, and is one of the best defensive guards in the NBA.

    Iman Shumpert is a premiere perimeter defender, and is great at finishing in transition and cutting to the hoop off down screens.

    Jared Dudley is one of the best spot up shooters in the NBA, and he’s a lengthy defender with good size at the 3. Also very good in finishing on the break.

    Carlos Boozer is one of the best pick and roll/pop forwards in the NBA. He fits perfectly with Kyle Lowry running high pick and rolls and crashing the boards.

    Bynum is the second best center in the NBA, and some even consider him the best. He’s an absolute menace on the block, and he’s one of the best rebounders in the league, and he’s great at stopping penetration in the paint on the defensive end.

    Everyone fits a role…We have distributers, defenders, shooters, slashers, pick and roll forwards, low post players, depth...Our team’s balance is better than any other team in the re-draft.

    Thank you for reading, and I hope you see the cohesion that is exhibited with our roster.

    Valencia's Writeup

    Congratulations to Corey and Superdude for advancing the second round of the playoffs. We hold both of these GMs in the highest respect given their track records in the last few games. They built an outstanding team in this ReDraft well deserving of its second round berth and we wish them luck in this series.

    As in the last series, our superstar point guard will have to produce against a stout perimeter defense led by Lowry and Iman Shumpert. While we concede Lowry is a high quality defender for his position, his numbers defensively don't quite correlate to his reputation. Last season he yielded a PER of 15.7 to his opponents while producing a PER of 18.7 himself. He also surrendered a 40% scoring rate to the pick and roll last season on an abysmal 48% shooting from the field. His defense against the spot up shot was among the worst in the league last year as he yielded a 46% scoring rate 1.12 points per possession. Those two plays composed nearly 70 percent of the ones Lowry defended in '11-'12.

    Coincidentally those were two of Chris Paul's most prominent source of scoring last season. So while Hartford will surely argue that they have the personnel to hang with Paul on the perimeter, the numbers argue quite the opposite.

    Just like in the previous series, Hartford cannot afford to rely on the efforts of both Shumpert and Lowry more than the obvious when we have Gallinari and Young on the perimeter. Gallinari is more than capable of breaking down a defense himself and his ability to take pressure off Paul outside offensively, a luxury CP3 has yet to have in his professional career, will cost Hartford's defense should they try.

    On the wing, Danilo Gallinari has the edge over Jared Dudley. At first glance, Dudley was suprisingly (and quite admirably) a more efficient offensive player than Gallo last season. With Paul, as opposed to Ty Lawson, initiatng an offense for him and Brook Lopez to draw attntion in the paint, Gallinari will have more slack to operate on our team than he does with the real life Nuggets.

    While Lowry is a quality point guard, he's not near the distributor Steve Nash is and with so little offensive production coming from Dudley's wingman (Shumpert), Dudley is highly unlikely to produce at the same clip he has in Phoenix the last few seasons. And given the personnel we have surrounding Gallinari, there's every reason to believe he'll be even more effective on our roster than he is in Denver.

    Carlos Boozer is a quality offensive player and a strong rebounder. But to be as delicate as possible, he completely wilts in the postseason. In his last two postseason runs with the Bulls:



    PER TS% eFG% PPG TOV%
    Regular Season '10-'11: 18.8 .542 .510 17.5 13.5
    Postseason '10-'11: 15.2 .494 .433 14.3 12.0

    PER TS% eFG% PPG TOV%
    Regular Season '11-'12: 19.7 .549 .532 15.0 11.3
    Postseason '11-'12: 9.8 .435 .422 14.6 19.8
    It's also worth noting that Boozer has been frequently benched in favor of our starting power forward, Taj Gibson. This has been especially true in the playoffs where Gibson's tenacity, physicality, and willingness to defend at a high level come in handy more than what Boozer brings to the table.

    We don't expect Gibson to shut Boozer down completely but the heightened physicality of the playoffs combined with Gibson's acumen at the defensive end of the floor will likely lead to just another severely underwhelming series for Boozer.

    It would be even more foolish for us to pretend that Andrew Bynum won't have an advantage over Brook Lopez down low. He's a better defender, rebounder, and a more efficient offensive player. He's also far more foul prone, less durable than Brook, and Hartford's depth behind Bynum is alarmingly poor.

    Last year's postseason was the first in Bynum's career, and there have been many, in which he logged a significant amount of minutes. The opposing frontcourts for the Lakers in those two playoff series? Javale McGee, Serge Ibaka, Kendrick Perkins, Kenneth Faried...hardly worldbeaters at the offensive end.

    Say what you like about Brook Lopez. The man can produce. He's managed to score at a high level against every big man he's ever played against. His ability to operate inside, complemented by Paul's distribution, is likely to put Bynum in foul trouble for at least a few games during this series. With Bynum sidelined, they're forced to turn to either Shelden Williams or the rookie Andre Drummond to man the center position. Should Bynum's offensive repertoire complicate Lopez's playing time with foul trouble, we could easily turn to Taj Gibson at center or bring Kenyon Martin off the bench.

    Both teams have one quality interior defender and one slouch inside. They have a more productive frontcourt; we have the more productive perimeter. We have the best player in the series and favorable match-ups at three out of five positions in the starting lineup. Ultimately a combination of those match-ups, the play of Paul, our defense, and ability to score from literally anywhere on the floor between Paul, Gallo, and Lopez will net us the victory.
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    I like the defense Hartford is offering.

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    I'll wait til Valencia's writeup to vote, I really like Hartford though

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    I'm very confident in our matchups in this series.

    We have the defenders to help contain Paul, and we have a huge advantage in the paint.

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    I like Hartford too much in this series. They have two highly capable defenders on Paul and a large advantage in the post. Gallo is a much bigger advantage than Hartford says, but it's not enough to overcome the post advantage and Paul not having the ability to run over everybody this series
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    Valencia's Write-up (sorry for the delay):

    3 Valencia Armada vs. 2 Hartford Halers

    Congratulations to Corey and Superdude for advancing the second round of the playoffs. We hold both of these GMs in the highest respect given their track records in the last few games. They built an outstanding team in this ReDraft well deserving of its second round berth and we wish them luck in this series.

    As in the last series, our superstar point guard will have to produce against a stout perimeter defense led by Lowry and Iman Shumpert. While we concede Lowry is a high quality defender for his position, his numbers defensively don't quite correlate to his reputation. Last season he yielded a PER of 15.7 to his opponents while producing a PER of 18.7 himself. He also surrendered a 40% scoring rate to the pick and roll last season on an abysmal 48% shooting from the field. His defense against the spot up shot was among the worst in the league last year as he yielded a 46% scoring rate 1.12 points per possession. Those two plays composed nearly 70 percent of the ones Lowry defended in '11-'12.

    Coincidentally those were two of Chris Paul's most prominent source of scoring last season. So while Hartford will surely argue that they have the personnel to hang with Paul on the perimeter, the numbers argue quite the opposite.

    Just like in the previous series, Hartford cannot afford to rely on the efforts of both Shumpert and Lowry more than the obvious when we have Gallinari and Young on the perimeter. Gallinari is more than capable of breaking down a defense himself and his ability to take pressure off Paul outside offensively, a luxury CP3 has yet to have in his professional career, will cost Hartford's defense should they try.

    On the wing, Danilo Gallinari has the edge over Jared Dudley. At first glance, Dudley was suprisingly (and quite admirably) a more efficient offensive player than Gallo last season. With Paul, as opposed to Ty Lawson, initiatng an offense for him and Brook Lopez to draw attntion in the paint, Gallinari will have more slack to operate on our team than he does with the real life Nuggets.

    While Lowry is a quality point guard, he's not near the distributor Steve Nash is and with so little offensive production coming from Dudley's wingman (Shumpert), Dudley is highly unlikely to produce at the same clip he has in Phoenix the last few seasons. And given the personnel we have surrounding Gallinari, there's every reason to believe he'll be even more effective on our roster than he is in Denver.

    Carlos Boozer is a quality offensive player and a strong rebounder. But to be as delicate as possible, he completely wilts in the postseason. In his last two postseason runs with the Bulls:

    Code:
                                 PER        TS%        eFG%       PPG      TOV%
    Regular Season '10-'11:      18.8       .542       .510        17.5    13.5
    Postseason    '10-'11:       15.2       .494       .433        14.3    12.0
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                                 PER        TS%        eFG%       PPG      TOV%
    Regular Season '11-'12:      19.7       .549       .532       15.0     11.3
    Postseason    '11-'12:       9.8        .435       .422       14.6     19.8
    It's also worth noting that Boozer has been frequently benched in favor of our starting power forward, Taj Gibson. This has been especially true in the playoffs where Gibson's tenacity, physicality, and willingness to defend at a high level come in handy more than what Boozer brings to the table.

    We don't expect Gibson to shut Boozer down completely but the heightened physicality of the playoffs combined with Gibson's acumen at the defensive end of the floor will likely lead to just another severely underwhelming series for Boozer.

    It would be even more foolish for us to pretend that Andrew Bynum won't have an advantage over Brook Lopez down low. He's a better defender, rebounder, and a more efficient offensive player. He's also far more foul prone, less durable than Brook, and Hartford's depth behind Bynum is alarmingly poor.

    Last year's postseason was the first in Bynum's career, and there have been many, in which he logged a significant amount of minutes. The opposing frontcourts for the Lakers in those two playoff series? Javale McGee, Serge Ibaka, Kendrick Perkins, Kenneth Faried...hardly worldbeaters at the offensive end.

    Say what you like about Brook Lopez. The man can produce. He's managed to score at a high level against every big man he's ever played against. His ability to operate inside, complemented by Paul's distribution, is likely to put Bynum in foul trouble for at least a few games during this series. With Bynum sidelined, they're forced to turn to either Shelden Williams or the rookie Andre Drummond to man the center position. Should Bynum's offensive repertoire complicate Lopez's playing time with foul trouble, we could easily turn to Taj Gibson at center or bring Kenyon Martin off the bench.

    Both teams have one quality interior defender and one slouch inside. They have a more productive frontcourt; we have the more productive perimeter. We have the best player in the series and favorable match-ups at three out of five positions in the starting lineup. Ultimately a combination of those match-ups, the play of Paul, our defense, and ability to score from literally anywhere on the floor between Paul, Gallo, and Lopez will net us the victory.
    Good luck to Corey and Superdude

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Jamal View Post
    I like Hartford too much in this series. They have two highly capable defenders on Paul and a large advantage in the post. Gallo is a much bigger advantage than Hartford says, but it's not enough to overcome the post advantage and Paul not having the ability to run over everybody this series
    In terms of pure talent, sure.

    In terms of actual on-court production? Nope.

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    Gallo with CP3 will far outproduce Dudley without Nash.
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    2 years ago, this team was worth 650 million dollars. Derrick Rose has played ten games since and now this team is worth a billion dollars. Clearly, it's Tom Thibodeu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiSox219 View Post
    Gallo with CP3 will far outproduce Dudley without Nash.
    Lowry is quite the capable PG, and Bynum and Boozer will far outproduce their counterparts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superdude View Post
    Lowry is quite the capable PG, and Bynum and Boozer will far outproduce their counterparts.
    Uh ok, but Gallo >>> Dudley
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    Hartford in 6. I think Bynum dominates the series, and they have great perimeter defenders to defend CP3, and Bynum at the rim to contest the drives.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiSox219 View Post
    Uh ok, but Gallo >>> Dudley
    Dudley is a better 3 point shooter, eFG%, better TS%. Is Gallo the better all around player? Sure. But he's not head and shoulders above Gallo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiSox219 View Post
    Uh ok, but Gallo >>> Dudley
    More talent than Dudley, but that doesn't mean he'll out produce him.

    Dudley's the more efficient offensive player. Much better spot up shooter. He's our 4th option, he'll get open looks all series.

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    Dudley and Gallo a wash?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drose View Post
    Dudley and Gallo a wash?
    Yea, it's a big reach they are trying to sell. Put Dudley as the #1 option of Denver last season and we'll see how "efficient" he really can be.
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