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  1. #5221
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    Quote Originally Posted by rapjuicer06 View Post
    I dont see it being needed to get the deal done. That doesnt make sense. We can afford it. Then in 2 years, if all 3 leave, we clear what, 70 million in salary? I think we can afford it for 2 years and STILL be under the luxury tax. It's just an excuse
    We can't afford it without them taking back a bad contract or them sending us significant cash.

    We have $10M available for the 2020 payroll, max of $15M, and 2021 is much the same, though Molina falls off, it's mainly eaten up by other arb raises.

    Also, if we just add Arenado to payroll right now, we are over the luxury tax (there is a little less than $28M left to the luxury tax, and Arenado is a $32.5M hit). No way DeWitt pays into the luxury tax. I don't think we could even afford to without borrowing money.

    For Arenado to happen (and I am confident it's not happening), the Rockies have to make him more affordable. We can't add $35M to 2020's payroll, otherwise we would have kept our prospects and gone after Rendon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    We can't afford it without them taking back a bad contract or them sending us significant cash.

    We have $10M available for the 2020 payroll, max of $15M, and 2021 is much the same, though Molina falls off, it's mainly eaten up by other arb raises.

    Also, if we just add Arenado to payroll right now, we are over the luxury tax (there is a little less than $28M left to the luxury tax, and Arenado is a $32.5M hit). No way DeWitt pays into the luxury tax. I don't think we could even afford to without borrowing money.

    For Arenado to happen (and I am confident it's not happening), the Rockies have to make him more affordable. We can't add $35M to 2020's payroll, otherwise we would have kept our prospects and gone after Rendon.
    And Martinez contract wont help with that?
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    By your numbers, you said were 28 million from the luxury tax, CMart is 11.5. So that would put us at 39 million from the luxury cap, with Arenado being 34, I think that leaves 5 million there. So again, we dont need to trade Carp or Folwer to get Arenado. CMart/Gorman/Thompson/Knizner should do it
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    RB-Montgomery
    WR-AJ Brown, Hakeem Butler
    TE-TJ Hockenson
    Edge-Allen
    LB-Devon White, Blake Cashman
    CB-Joejuan Williams
    S-Dieonte Thompson

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    Quote Originally Posted by rapjuicer06 View Post
    By your numbers, you said were 28 million from the luxury tax, CMart is 11.5. So that would put us at 39 million from the luxury cap, with Arenado being 34, I think that leaves 5 million there. So again, we dont need to trade Carp or Folwer to get Arenado. CMart/Gorman/Thompson/Knizner should do it
    With Weiters we are at $26M to go.

    C-Mart is $10.25M (remember it's AAV)

    So that puts us $36M, Arenado is $32.5M. But Wainwright and Wieters incentives are another $6M, and you have to plan that they hit those.

    Yeah, I'm sure the Rockies would jump at that offer.

  5. #5225
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    today is the trade deadline. I don't expect us to do much. Maybe grab a lefty like Tony Watson from the Giants.

  6. #5226
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    These are the days when I reminesce about not trading for Nolan

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    Looking back at this discussion... the Cardinals did a fantastic job of getting Nolan! They gave up very little in Austin Gomber and Elehuris Montero... compared to what they got back. They didn't end up sending a vet back... as they just took a ton of cash.

    Great job front office!

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    I wonder if they dump a few pieces this week. Might be kinda tricky as that would mean officially waiving the white flag, which Im not sure Mo can do

    I bet Kim could actually get a decent prospect back. Miller could probably get a teams top 20 prospect too. Gant is a healthy arm so maybe he could net something too? Idk

    No chance Carp, Yadi, or Waino are dealt tho

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    Cardinals schedule is favorable for the month of August. I wouldn't be surprised if we add some not so flashy pieces. Cardinals could also put guys on waivers if its clear we are out of it later in August.

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    Would the Cardinals be interested in Berrios from the Twins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by catman View Post
    Would the Cardinals be interested in Berrios from the Twins?
    I wish we would be. We need a starter worse than anything else.

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    Some crazy trades today. I wish wed do something but I know we wont.

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    Not going to get anyone of note. Maybe a Brandon Moss type hitter and an Edwin Jackson type pitcher.

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    I doubt we get anyone.. Mo is such a ****** GM..

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    Lol!! I stand corrected we got JA Happ for Gant. God Mo is an idiot.

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