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    2012 NBA ReDraft 1st Round - #1) New York Knicks vs. #8) Boston Celtics

    Welcome to the 2012 NBA ReDraft voting process. The redraft is exactly how it sounds. The rosters of every NBA team are cleared and then drafted again from scratch. Posters from the site draft full rosters under a salary cap and then there is a voting process to make the playoffs. We are now in the playoffs and the head to head matchups have begun. Please remember to vote for the roster and write-up you believe would win a 7 game series and leave any of your personal preference for the real teams out of your decision. Thank you and enjoy the playoffs!

    Celtics:
    PG: Devin Harris | Steve Blake
    SG: James Harden | John Salmons
    SF: Metta World Peace | Michael Beasley
    PF: Chris Bosh | Ed Davis | James Singleton
    C: JaVale McGee | Kevin Seraphin | Greg Oden

    Knicks:
    PG - Mario Chalmers (32)/Delonte West(16)
    SG - Courtney Lee(32)/Delonte West(16)/Xavier Henry /Kelenna Azubuike
    SF - Paul Pierce(38)/James Johnson(10)
    PF - Dirk Nowitzki(38)/Josh McRoberts(10)
    C - Brendan Haywood(26)/Kosta Koufos(18)/Jeremy Tyler(4)


    Quote Originally Posted by Corey
    Cliffs: If we (The Celtics) can contain one of Dirk or Pierce, they have no one else to turn to. The Celtics are a more complete team, with a more balanced scoring attack, and a better bench. If Dirk picks up fast fouls while guarding Bosh, or Artest can contain Pierce (Like he has MANY times in the past), the Knicks will be done for. They have two players and not much else.

    Point guard: Devin Harris v Mario Chalmers.
    They matched up once this season, and Harris got the better of Chalmers. He held Mario to 1-6 from the field with 4 turnovers and 2 assists. He completely took him out of the game, and Utah got the win in the process.

    Devin Harris got to the line 7 times while covered by Chalmers, and finished with 13 points, 5 assists and only 1 turnover in the matchup.

    This year, Harris is shooting 45% from the field, 36% from 3, and he's chipping in 12 points 5 assists. If their matchup this year was any indication, it's going to be a long series for Chalmers.

    Shooting Guard: James Harden v Courtney Lee

    James Harden is a much better player than Courtney Lee. They matched up twice this season. Harden averaged 16.5 points, 5.5 assists, and 4 rebounds against Lee.

    Lee, on the other hand, averaged 11.5 points, 2 assists and 2 rebounds against Harden.

    On the season, Harden is averaging 17 points, 4 assists, 4 rebounds in just 31 minutes per game. He's shooting 49% from the field and 39% from 3, and he is one of the league's most efficient scorers.

    SF: Metta World Peace v Paul Pierce

    Throughout his career, Pierce has had trouble when guarded by one player: Metta World Peace.

    In two match ups this season, Pierce was held to an average of 16 points per game while only shooting 42% from the field.

    Pierce has only exceeded 20 points ONCE in their previous 6 match ups. Is Pierce the superior player? Sure…But Metta World Peace plays him better than anyone else in the NBA right now, and his points won't come easy. The Knicks are going to have to lean hard on Dirk, which may be an issue due to the fact that he has to cover Bosh on the opposite end of the floor.

    PF: Chris Bosh v. Dirk Nowitzki.
    Since Bosh has been in Miami, it's no secret that he's playing third fiddle to Lebron and Wade, but that doesn't make him any less of a player. In the finals last year, Bosh matched Dirk in efficiency. Dirk shot .416 from the field…Bosh shot .413. Dirk scored more, but he was also taking far more shots.

    It is our belief that Bosh can come close to matching Dirk's productivity over the course of a series. He shoots similar percentages in the playoffs, and on my team Bosh will be a 1/2 option on the offensive end, so he will get more touches.

    This season, Bosh has been more than adequate defensively. In their only regular season matchup, he was 8-17 from the field while guarded by Dirk, and dropped 19 points. We believe that Dirk wouldn't be able to stick with Bosh over the course of the series, and his offense would suffer greatly because of the tough matchup. Bosh is much more athletic, younger, and coming off a very productive season. His offense will only improve if he is given a bigger role on offense.
    Center: JaVale McGee v Brandon Haywood
    McGee posts almost identical defensive metrics as Haywood with much better offensive metrics and upside. He's younger, more athletic, and quite frankly just better.

    McGee has a better points per possession, and has shot 60% (SIXTY) since he was traded to Denver. Haywood on the flip side, is shooting 50% and accounts for .87 PPP. Much worse.

    You can say all you want about McGee's miscues over the years, but there's no denying his productivity since he's gone to Denver.

    Benches:

    The Celtics have a better bench than the Knicks. It's not debatable. Our top bench player is Beasley, who is a proven scorer averaging 42% from 3pt range this year.

    Blake is a sure-handed proven veteran backup guard. He didn't succeed as a starter this year, but he has been MUCH more productive in a reserve role for the Lakers, which is the role he would be in for Boston in this series.

    Post all-star break, Kevin Seraphin is averaging 27 minutes, 12 points, 6 rebounds. Stud muffin, and excellent bench player. He can score, defend and rebound very well, and we feel like he can be a difference maker in a reserve roll

    Additionally, Boston has John Salmons and Ed Davis. Two players stuck on TERRIBLE teams this season. Salmons is a proven veteran that can play either swing position and score in a variety of ways. You look at his stats, and they're unimpressive, but since the All-Star break, he's averaged 50% from the field, while chipping in 8 points, 3 rebounds and 3 assists in just 25 minutes per game.

    Ed Davis is a walking double double if he's given enough minutes. Post all-star break, he's averaging 7/7 for the Raptors in limited minutes. The Celtics also have Greg Oden, who if healthy is a major asset. This game is supposed to assume good health and all players are in perfect condition…So given that stipulation, we have one of the better centers in the league coming off our bench.

    On the flip side, the Knicks bench consists of Delonte West (Inconsistent, oft-injured), James Johnson, Xavier Henry, Josh McRoberts, and Kosta Koufos…None of them are going to match the production of Beasley, Salmons, Seraphin, Davis and Blake. They have no go-to scorer off the bench, and their bench defense is nothing spectacular.

    CELTICS IN 7, 1-8 UPSET. Corey/Green_Monster '12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PocketKings
    First and foremost, congratulations to Corey and Green_Monster for building a good team that was voted into the NBA Re-Draft Playoffs.

    Unfortunately though, this is where your playoff run ends. The New York Knicks have been built around the dynamic duo of Paul Pierce and Dirk Nowitzki. With these two superstar players, we have two former NBA Finals MVP, two legitimate #1 options, two unselfish players, and two players who know how and what exactly needs to be done in crunch time to bring this team to victory. To complement this duo, we built a team that would bring out the strengths of each individual part, but also with the mind to make any five-player unit on the floor be an effective unit, to possess great CHEMISTRY, and a combination of both young and veteran talent that is capable of leading us back to the promised land. With an absolute ideal supporting cast around our two superstars, these will be the keys in us advancing to the next round of the post-season:
    Point Guard:
    The point guard matchup consists of Mario Chalmers and Delonte West versus Devin Harris and Steve Blake. On this team, Mario Chalmers will mostly be asked to distribute the ball and hit spot-up shots while Paul Pierce and Dirk draw attention. Luckily, Chalmers is a fantastic spot up shooter, ranking 16th in the league overall at spot-up shooting. He is also putting up a fantastic 40% 3p% and a 58% TS%. Now you may think that Harris will be fine with guarding Chalmers on the outside because Chalmers isn’t a volume scorer, but Harris is an atrocious defender, ranking 395th in overall defense, and 257th in the league defending spot up shooters. Chalmers is also a fantastic defender, allowing just .95 Points per possession, .71 PPP off the pick and roll (57th in the league overall) and .73 PPP against the iso. This will be a tough matchup for Devin Harris. In addition, the Knicks have Delonte West to bring off the bench, who is a top 25 player in the league at guarding the pick and roll, and is also playing great basketball for the Mavericks at the moment. He is averaging 9.6 PPG with a 54 TS% as well as 3 assists and two steals. He is a perfect spell for Chalmers, while Steve Blake has been disappointing for the Lakers, shooting at a very inefficient clip.

    SG:
    The SG matchup between Courtney Lee and James Harden will be closer than you think. Lee has fared well against Harden in previous matchups, holding Harden to 14 PPG on 39% shooting while forcing Harden to commit almost 4 TO’s per game in their last three meetings. Lee has also played well on offense, averaging 14 PPG on 57% shooting 54% from 3. Lee has developed as a defender and he is also having a great year shooting the ball and as a starter has been putting up 15 PPG on 44% shooting (40% from 3). Harden does have an advantage this matchup, but Lee has played well against him in the past. West will also be coming in to play some 2 guard and like we mentioned, he brings very tough defense and good shooting off the bench. Meanwhile, John Salmons has had a terrible year, shooting at a very inefficient clip. In fact, the Kings are much better with him off the court than on the court, which speaks volumes to his negative effect on the team.

    SF:
    At SF is the biggest mismatch in the series. Pierce goes against Metta World Peace. Pierce is considerably better than Metta, who has had a down year for the Lakers. MWP is averaging 7.7 points on an atrocious 48% TS%. His defense is also not as elite as it has been in years past. Pierce, meanwhile, has not missed a beat. He has been playing lights out, leading the team averaging 19.4 PPG on 58% TS%. He is also ranked as one of the top defenders in the league, allowing opposing players only .8 points per possession. He has the experience and has fared well versus MWP in the past, averaging 20 PPG on efficient shooting in their last 4 matchups. He also notoriously played well against MWP in the finals against the Lakers in 2010. Pierce will have his way in this series and not have to put in a great deal of effort on defense as MWP has been terrible on offense this year. Off the bench, the Knicks can plug in James Johnson to play at SF for about ten minutes. Johnson has played well this year on both ends and would be a good energizer for this club. Beasley, while being a good volume scorer, isn’t efficient whatsoever, so Pierce and Johnson will have no problem limiting his scoring.
    PF:

    At PF, we have a rematch of Bosh vs. Dirk. Dirk won finals MVP versus the same Chris Bosh and had a great finals series versus the HEAT. Though Dirk started off this year slowly, he is re-gaining shape and has returned to prime Dirk form. He is one of the most unguardable, if not the most unguardable players in the league and Chris Bosh is going to have an extremely tough time with him. Dirk is still ranked as one of the best offensive players in the game according to synergy and has had an efficient year. Bosh has also played well this year but Bosh was defended well by Dirk last year in the Finals. He was also out-rebounded by Dirk. This calls for another advantage for the Knicks. Also, McRoberts can come in and spell Dirk for about 10 minutes per game. He adds some defense, hustle and rebounding to the squad.

    C:

    At center, we have two mediocre starters going against each other. Javale McGee is notoriously a player with very low BB IQ and whether he can be a starting caliber center on a good team is yet to be seen, seeing as the Nuggets have benched him since getting him via trade. McGee, though a good shotblocker, is an atrocious defender and will not be stopping anybody from driving to the paint in this series. He is ranked an atrocious 445th in the league in overall defense, and the team allows more points when he’s on the floor than off the floor. He’s extremely raw and makes tons of boneheaded mistakes. Haywood is a veteran who plays good man to man defense, is a solid help defender, and a solid rebounder. We also have Koufos off the bench who’s had a fantastic year, averaging 6 points and 6 boards off the bench for the Nuggets. He can provide some good defense, rebounding and inside scoring off the bench in case Haywood gets into foul trouble.

    Conclusion:

    Overall, the Knicks are the better team. They have two stars who have won Finals MVP’s before, and very good role players at PG, SG and C. This series will be controlled by Pierce and Dirk, and should be over quickly. Knicks take it and advance to the second round!


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    So how do Harden and MWP work on the same team?

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    In for the first 1-8 upset.

    PS, whoever wrote the Knicks writeup needs grammar check.

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    Jesus, Im going to wait on this one as well. Boston has two very, very strong defenders on Pierce and Dirk, which will impact the Knicks O greatly. I trust the Celtics supporting cast around Harden-Bosh FAR more than I do the one around Dirk-Pierce. Granted, Dirk and Pierce are the far superior players, but they aren't the same guys as they were in their prime who could outplay anyone and any defender in the league.
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    Kenyon #Gangstarep Martin reppin that kiss on his neck. He almost ate Mark Cuban. #Steamysteams blockin those shots, your balls are in a no fly zone. Michael Redd my knees are back! Jannero...Jesus I can't do this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    In for the first 1-8 upset.

    PS, whoever wrote the Knicks writeup needs grammar check.
    *2nd 1-8 upset
    Quote Originally Posted by Catfish1314 View Post
    If they sold you with adultery between Delonte and Mrs. James, then here:

    Kenyon #Gangstarep Martin reppin that kiss on his neck. He almost ate Mark Cuban. #Steamysteams blockin those shots, your balls are in a no fly zone. Michael Redd my knees are back! Jannero...Jesus I can't do this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raps08-09 Champ View Post
    So how do Harden and MWP work on the same team?
    How do Pierce and Dirk work together? Two high usg players with very similar skillsets at this point in their respective careers.

    How do Pierce, Dirk, and Haywood keep up in transition with my athletic, young lineup?

    What happens if MWP contains Pierce like he has so many times in the past? What happens if Dirk gets into foul trouble?

    The Knicks have two players to carry their offensive load, and both players play the same exact style. If one player has an off game, or gets into foul trouble, they have no one else to turn to.

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    Dirk and Pierce are winners, Bosh and Harden have done very little in the playoffs. I'll go with the Knicks

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    Quote Originally Posted by SugeKnight View Post
    Dirk and Pierce are winners, Bosh and Harden have done very little in the playoffs. I'll go with the Knicks
    Both of those players weren't winners until they had stellar supporting casts, which this team doesn't have. They have two players and not much else.

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    To say we have two players and not much else is laughable. If that's the case the Celtics have two players and nothing else.

    The fact is our supporting cast our Pierce and Dirk are almost a perfect fit around them.

    Courtney Lee is an ideal SG to put next to those two with his ability to spot-up and slash to the basket.

    Both those players know what it takes to be #1 on a winning team. Yes they are high USG players but they are also unselfish and willing passers.

    It is absurd to even think about placing a "selfish" type title on either of these players.

    Pierce and Dirk are winners and both can handle a large bulk of the offense, while the Celtics are depending on Bosh and Harden who are 3rd option like players on their respective real life teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PocketKings View Post
    To say we have two players and not much else is laughable. If that's the case the Celtics have two players and nothing else.
    It's 'laugable' because it's YOUR team, right?
    The fact is our supporting cast our Pierce and Dirk are almost a perfect fit around them.
    Perfect is a terribly large overstatement.

    A starting point guard that has done nothing in the NBA. Check.

    A shooting guard with mediocre offensive upside whom happens to be a terribly overrated defender? Check.

    A center with no offensive upside, whom has the same defensive measurable as my starting center? Check.

    Both those players know what it takes to be #1 on a winning team. Yes they are high USG players but they are also unselfish and willing passers.
    That doesn't change the fact that if one of them has an off game, your team has no one to turn to.

    It is absurd to even think about placing a "selfish" type title on either of these players.
    You're putting words in my mouth -- Let's not do that in the future.

    Go back and re-read my post and tell me where I used the word selfish.

    ...Keep looking, because I never did.

    Pierce and Dirk are winners and both can handle a large bulk of the offense, while the Celtics are depending on Bosh and Harden who are 3rd option like players on their respective real life teams.
    Pierce as a number 1 option won nothing. He didn't become successful until he was put with Garnett and Allen.

    My team isn't 'depending' on any two players. We have a balanced attack with four legitimate scoring options in the starting lineup as well as a strong bench.

    You have two consistent offensive players, and if one of them gets shut down you have no one else to pick up the slack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corey View Post
    it's 'laugable' because it's your team, right?

    Perfect is a terribly large overstatement.

    A starting point guard that has done nothing in the nba. Check.

    A shooting guard with mediocre offensive upside whom happens to be a terribly overrated defender? Check.

    A center with no offensive upside, whom has the same defensive measurable as my starting center? Check.

    courtney lee over-rated? Really? You must be kidding? The guy is a legitimate "glue" guy that almost any team without a star sg would love to complement their stars. Which we have and love the fact that he's a career 38.6% 3 point shooter and one of the more effective slashers from the sg position. Not to mention a very solid-good defender.

    Our starting pg who is another pretty damn good 3 point shooter out there to space the floor to allow dirk/pp to work and operate the offense through them.

    Haywood doesn't have to be an offensive force at all. The fact is this, our team defense is pretty solid. It isn't elite by any means but it isn't a weakness of our team. From 1 through 5 we all have average - above average - good defenders.


    that doesn't change the fact that if one of them has an off game, your team has no one to turn to.
    in the event one of them do have an off game, what about your team? You have technically 2 3rd options with no real 3rd option either. Who's your 3rd option to your 2 3rd options? Javale mcgee? Michael beasley? Yeah... Like anyone is going to take that seriously.

    you're putting words in my mouth -- let's not do that in the future.

    Go back and re-read my post and tell me where i used the word selfish.

    ...keep looking, because i never did.

    Pierce as a number 1 option won nothing. He didn't become successful until he was put with garnett and allen.
    and we've given him a pretty damn supporting cast here where some nights he can be the #2 and other nights he can take over as the #1 along with a pretty strong defensive supporting cast filled with floor spacers, slashers, and role players who know how to play their role effectively.

    my team isn't 'depending' on any two players. We have a balanced attack with four legitimate scoring options in the starting lineup as well as a strong bench.
    four legitimate scoring options? I could 2. Harden and bosh. Harris has been absolutely erratic this year and mwp is the exact definition of inconsistent. That's probably why both players were brought up frequently at the trade deadline right? If you're talking about javale mcgee as a consistent option that's a joke. For every singular sound basketball decision this guy makes he makes about 10-12 bonehead decisions.

    you have two consistent offensive players, and if one of them gets shut down you have no one else to pick up the slack.
    once again, my two players pp + dirk > harden + bosh, and if you think your supporting cast is actually better that is where your faulty logic starts.
    boom!

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    If MWP/Harris/Beasley are being considered as legitimate scoring options, Courtney Lee, Delonte West, and James Johnson should all be considered legitimate scoring options.

    Beasley is one of the most inefficient scorers in the league. Not to mention if he's substituting Beasley into the game for offense, that spells bigger trouble for the Celtics because PP will absolutely abuse Beasley.

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    My god, how did the seeding get so messed up this time. I'm taking the underdogs again... The Knicks team is nothing special at all.

    Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, and Colin Kaepernick walk into a bar... To watch Russell Wilson win the Super Bowl.

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    neither team has a great cast, but NYK has a much more proven and better 1-2 punch. I think that's the difference.


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    Quote Originally Posted by baller101200 View Post
    My god, how did the seeding get so messed up this time. I'm taking the underdogs again... The Knicks team is nothing special at all.
    James Harden is a nice player, isn't he?

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