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    What the 2012 Jays COULD look like

    First off...hopefully Lawrie is okay after that wicked shoulder check of Varitek...the kid has the eye-of-the-tiger for sure!

    Anyways...what do you think of my 'all-out' lineup for next year. Would mean severly breaking the bank...so would it be worth it...and realistic?

    2B- Reyes*
    CF- Rasmus (a lefty bat with speed, and Reyes on base, coupled with Jo-Jo Bats behind him, means Colby gets more fastballs to hit)
    RF- Bautista
    DH- Fielder*
    1B- Lind
    3B- Lawrie (if not Rasmus, I'd bat Lawrie in the #2 spot)
    C- Arencibia
    LF- Thames/Snyder
    SS- Escobar (doesn't run well and hits into lots of DP's...not really suited as a leadoff or #2 guy)

    Rotation
    Romero
    Harden*
    Cecil
    Morrow
    Alvarez/McGowan/low-level FA signing

    Bullpen
    Litsch
    Janzen
    Francisco
    Carlos V
    Perez (need to sign a FA lefty specialist- Rhodes?)
    Papelbon*- CL

    *Off-season acquisitions
    Jose Reyes- could likely make an easy transition from SS to 2B, and provides the leadoff guy we've been missing since the Devon White/Robbie Alomar days. Would likely cost 6 years @ $15 mill/per

    Prince Fielder- the BIG bat (no pun intended...okay...yes it was!) Jays need behind Jose. Would cost 5-7 years @ 18-20 mill/per

    Rich Harden- could probably get him for 3 years @ 8-10 mill/per

    Jonathan Papelbon- the best CL we would have since Henke/Ward days...and the 1.5 years of B.J. Ryan before the injury. Would cost approx. $12 mill/per over 4 years

    That would mean adding another 57-60 mill to the team's payroll...a HUGE amount, but I think if we EVER want to contend with Bo Sox and Spankies...we have to spend the cheese to do it...and we're still way under those teams payrolls!!

    I think these 4 guys (plus at least one other FA signing- lefty specialist) would put the Jays around the 92-96 win range next year, with 95-103 wins in 2013, 2014, 2015 as the young guys mature and develop. Our lineup would have speed (Reyes, Rasmus, Lawrie), power (Bautista, Fielder, Lind, Lawrie, Arencibia), and solid situational hitting #1-9 in the order.

    On the bench we could have;
    EE
    Johnny Mac (he'll re-sign)
    Molina
    Davis
    Snyder/Thames
    Thehan?


    And that's not factoring in what the club does with Adam Loewen, Kyle Drabek, Jon Rauch, etc... next season.

    What do ya'll think???

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    Why does everyone pencil Cecil into their rotations going into next year? You guys all realize that he isn't very good, right?
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    Prince will be over 20. More like 22-24 like Tex. Don't understand why you'd consider giving injury prone Jose Reyes 6 years and even more injury prone Rich Harden 3. To add to that, Harden has had pretty much his only good games against us this year. His ERA is in the upper 4s and was in the mid 5s last year. At most, Harden should cost 5 million on a 1 year deal. He might get more than that but I wouldn't give him that.

    I'd also like you to realize that you added 57 million for the next 3 years, 47 for the next 4 years, and 35 for the next 6 years to a team that will in that time need to re-sign Romero, Rasmus, Arencibia, Lawrie, Thames/Snider, Cecil, Morrow, Alvarez, and Lind. Even for those guys to each make 5 million a season, your increasing the payroll by approximately 102 million dollars added to Bautista...

    You can't just throw money at everyone and hope for the best, you have to think down the road a little bit.

    And someone explain to me why Jose Reyes would even consider moving to 2nd base let alone sign with the Jays when he could sign with a team that is already contending/closer to contending like the Giants, Cardinals, Brewers, Reds, etc. The Jays aren't even willing to give him his position...this isn't MVP 2005 where you sign all the best guys and plug them into whatever holes are open...

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    Love how there are like 4 of these threads a week.

    I personally don't want Reyes, too many injury issues..
    I don't want Mr. 2-pitch-harden either. He's great and all, but I'm sure we can find some serviceable veterans that can fill in our rotation. We need to focus more on the bullpen. Paplebon would be great but I doubt Boston will let him go..

    GO JAYS GO!!

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    Lol at Escobar batting ninth. Even out of the lineup you created with improbable free agent signings Escobar is still top 3 or 4 on the team.
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    This guy has 19 posts and what, 8 threads?

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    You want my honest opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2009mvp View Post
    Why does everyone pencil Cecil into their rotations going into next year? You guys all realize that he isn't very good, right?
    Who else do we pencil in other than Romero, Morrow and Alvarez? Drabek, Perez, Litsch, Villaneuva, Mcgowan? I agree with you he hasn't been very good, but the other options aren't that appealing except for maybe Drabek, but he needs to learn to throw strikes first. I think you gotta at least pencil him in to start the season. The FA market is pretty bare aside from Wilson, Darvish, and Buehrle. Pretty sure Hutchison, Mcguire or Molina aren't gonna be ready till at least late May, and I'm not even all that sold on the latter two.

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    ^^Well if you wanna be realistic about things, yeah. I was really referring to the many wacky dream rosters people are putting together that have the Jays spending tens of millions in upgrades yet still trotting Brett freakin' Cecil out there as the third starter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2009mvp View Post
    ^^Well if you wanna be realistic about things, yeah. I was really referring to the many wacky dream rosters people are putting together that have the Jays spending tens of millions in upgrades yet still trotting Brett freakin' Cecil out there as the third starter.
    I think their at least gonna trot him out as a 4/5 starter to start the season even if they do go for the homerun in the offseason and sign Fielder + Wilson or Darvish. I don't think he's any worse than Lackey, Wakefield, Burnett or Hughes right now. Hopefully Hutchison will be ready by late May, but that's asking a lot considering he was just in low A to start the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2009mvp View Post
    Why does everyone pencil Cecil into their rotations going into next year? You guys all realize that he isn't very good, right?
    I would argue he's more reliable than Morrow... Much more reliable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by craigerlee View Post
    I think their at least gonna trot him out as a 4/5 starter to start the season even if they do go for the homerun in the offseason and sign Fielder + Wilson or Darvish. I don't think he's any worse than Lackey, Wakefield, Burnett or Hughes right now. Hopefully Hutchison will be ready by late May, but that's asking a lot considering he was just in low A to start the season.
    Bucholz? Bedard? Nova? Colon? Garcia? All better than Cecil (at least until Colon/Garcia's arms fall off). And if we're betting on these guys going forward I'd certainly take Lackey, AJ, and Hughes over him as well. The guy was incredibly overrated by Jays fans when he was sitting 92-93 consistently, now that he's topping out at 92 he's barely an upgrade over Jo-Jo Reyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitchell133 View Post
    I would argue he's more reliable than Morrow... Much more reliable.
    As much as I want to disagree, the sad thing is Cecil has had better production than Morrow.

    Which says more about how awful Morrow has been than how good Cecil is.

    Escobar's one of the 3-4 best hitters on this team. His ability to get on is pretty damn valuable in front of Jose. The Jays would be smarter to hit and run more with him when guys are on base.

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    At least you can still dream on the K-rate/peripherals with Morrow. Looks like it might never click with him, but considering neither are leading this team to anything I'd still prefer to bet on him (at least for one more year).
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    Trade Cecil while you can. (Crap, I said that last offseason and got roasted pretty good.)

    Morrow has way more upside and certainly deserves another year to figure it out.

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