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    What happens when Ackley gets the call?

    So Ackley has been tearing the cover off the ball for over a month now in Tacoma and it's a matter of days if not hours until he'll be leaving for the big leagues by most accounts.

    There will have to be some major shifts within the roster on that day to make room. Most notably, what to do with Adam Kennedy who has done nothing but impress all season long at second base. In fact he's been one of the better second baseman in the AL. He's been so good that it's hard to see how the team gets any better if you just replace him with Ackley.

    The M's are probably discussing internally how they will be able to keep Kennedy and Ackley on the field everyday on a daily basis. 1. One option is to put Ackley in LF since we can assume that at least for now he'd be a better outfielder and Kennedy will be the better second baseman defensively. 2. Another option is just the opposite where you take a hit defensively for the sake of Ackley's continued development at second. 3. A third option would be to slide Kennedy over to third and turn Figgins into the utility player he probably deserves to be at this point, but once again you probably lose a little bit of defense.

    What would you guys do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWBrodie View Post
    1. One option is to put Ackley in LF since we can assume that at least for now he'd be a better outfielder and Kennedy will be the better second baseman defensively.
    Not worth discussing, GMZ just said a few days ago it's not happening.

    2. Another option is just the opposite where you take a hit defensively for the sake of Ackley's continued development at second.
    I don't know what this means. Ackley will be fine defensively at second.

    3. A third option would be to slide Kennedy over to third and turn Figgins into the utility player he probably deserves to be at this point, but once again you probably lose a little bit of defense.
    The defense can't be any worse than Figgins, his strength have become his weaknesses and his weaknesses have stayed the same, he's pathetic.

    What would you guys do?
    Start Kennedy at 3B against righties, and Figgins at 3B against lefties, best option out there.

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    Not sure how that's even slightly difficult to understand.

    Nobody said Ackley wouldn't be fine at second, but Kennedy is much better defensively. That's not debatable. In other words, the Mariners are a worse team for the sake of Ackley's development when you replace Kennedy with him. So yeah it probably makes the most sense to rotate Kennedy over to third and maybe even LF, but if the goal is squeezing the most wins out of the 2011 Mariners and getting to the playoffs the best bet is Ackley in LF and Kennedy staying put.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWBrodie View Post
    Not sure how that's even slightly difficult to understand.

    Nobody said Ackley wouldn't be fine at second, but Kennedy is much better defensively. That's not debatable. In other words, the Mariners are a worse team for the sake of Ackley's development when you replace Kennedy with him. So yeah it probably makes the most sense to rotate Kennedy over to third and maybe even LF, but if the goal is squeezing the most wins out of the 2011 Mariners and getting to the playoffs the best bet is Ackley in LF and Kennedy staying put.
    How is it not debatable? Are you watching every Tacoma game? By all reports his defense has been great.

    Ackley is not playing LF, GMZ already said it's not an option, might as well just throw it out the window, stomp on it, and throw it in the trash compactor.

    Ackley's bat was ready last year, meaning if they brought him up this year to play OF last year was a total waste of Ackley in the minors...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesa_Titan View Post
    How is it not debatable? Are you watching every Tacoma game? By all reports his defense has been great.

    Ackley is not playing LF, GMZ already said it's not an option, might as well just throw it out the window, stomp on it, and throw it in the trash compactor.
    Wrong. I'd like to see you produce one report that says Ackley has been "great" defensively. Also, have you even bothered looking up just how good Kennedy has been? No.

    Churchill reported that the discussion of moving Ackley to left field at least part of the time this season has been happening internally.

    What's with the closed-mindedness? Quit acting like you have any idea what's going on behind closed doors. GMZ says what needs to be said. He's a pro. You should know by now that taking his words through the media as gospel is not wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesa_Titan View Post

    Ackley's bat was ready last year, meaning if they brought him up this year to play OF last year was a total waste of Ackley in the minors...
    No.

    Once again, did anyone say a word about Ackley moving to left field permanently? No. In that scenario it would only be for this season and even then probably only part time for the sake of this year's team. How is it a waste if he's still a long term second baseman? Jesus, get outta here.

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    Bada bing.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...97882/29738482

    Bada boom.

    http://www.randallonbaseball.com/201...ners-soon.html

    This seasons he has 14 extra base hits -- including five home runs -- six steals, and more walks (33) than strikeouts (24), all while playing steady, if unspectacular, defense at second base for the Rainiers.
    Now, if you want to tell me that Kennedy has been spectacular on defense at 2B I'd be more than welcomed to laugh at you, he's been fine, but nothing spectacular, just like Ackley will be until he gets more experience there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesa_Titan View Post
    Bada bing.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...97882/29738482

    Bada boom.

    http://www.randallonbaseball.com/201...ners-soon.html



    Now, if you want to tell me that Kennedy has been spectacular on defense at 2B I'd be more than welcomed to laugh at you, he's been fine, but nothing spectacular, just like Ackley will be until he gets more experience there.
    Unspectacular: Adjective: Not spectacular; un-remarkable.

    Adam Kennedy: 9.8 UZR/150 at 2B, good for 6th best in baseball among players with at least 200 innings. Yes he's been spectacular. If you're laughing, it's out of ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWBrodie View Post
    Unspectacular: Adjective: Not spectacular; un-remarkable.

    Adam Kennedy: 9.8 UZR/150 at 2B, good for 6th best in baseball among players with at least 200 innings. Yes he's been spectacular. If you're laughing, it's out of ignorance.
    You put way too much stock into UZR. UZR is broken down into zones, and if the fielder gets to the ball in the zones, it looks like he's good, but if the defender never gets a ball hit in those more challenging zones, it doesn't register.

    UZR is good, but it's not the end all be all.

    He's -1 in defensive runs saved (DRS) he has been as average as average gets...

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    You're a little off on your facts for UZR. Players who cover a larger range influence their UZR positively.

    DRS is a cumulative statistic with it's own flaws, but Kennedy is once again among the leaders. -1 is well above average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWBrodie View Post
    You're a little off on your facts for UZR. Players who cover a larger range influence their UZR positively.

    DRS is a cumulative statistic with it's own flaws, but Kennedy is once again among the leaders. -1 is well above average.
    Meh, 2B is full of crappy and average fielders outside of a select few, namely, Zobrist, Beckham, Pedroia, and Ellis.

    Just because the rest of your position sucks doesn't make -1 average or above average.

    Besides catcher 2B is probably the worst fielding position in MLB...

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    Back to the root of this boring tangent.

    Kennedy is a significantly better second baseman than Ackley as of today and to expect Ackley to outproduce Kennedy's current rate at the plate would be pretty optimistic. The Mariners have two positions that are giving them awful outputs in LF and 3B. Kennedy is not an ideal fit for either of those, but could probably pull it off, while Ackley would be a massive upgrade in LF.

    So what it comes down to is what is more important to the Mariners right now: coddling their top prospect and doing whatever they can to continue his development at second base, or putting Ackley in LF because it would give them the best offensive and defensive lineup they can throw out there every day while making a pennant run and then moving Ackley back next season when Kennedy is gone.
    Last edited by FWBrodie; 06-03-2011 at 06:06 PM.

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    Another possibility would be trading Kennedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWBrodie View Post
    Back to the root of this boring tangent.

    Kennedy is a significantly better second baseman than Ackley as of today and to expect Ackley to outproduce Kennedy's current rate at the plate would be pretty optimistic. The Mariners have two positions that are giving them awful outputs in LF and 3B. Kennedy is not an ideal fit for either of those, but could probably pull it off, while Ackley would be a massive upgrade in LF.

    So what it comes down to is what is more important to the Mariners right now: coddling their top prospect and doing whatever they can to continue his development at second base, or putting Ackley in LF because it would give them the best offensive and defensive lineup they can throw out there every day while making a pennant run and then moving Ackley back next season when Kennedy is gone.
    Yup, that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWBrodie View Post
    Another possibility would be trading Kennedy.
    Hadn't thought about that.

    Rather dump Figgins for nothing, tbh.

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