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    Question Super Stars signing with new teams, The new Fad?

    It seams the interesting/hot trade rumors today surround all the NBA superstars. Is this the direction the NBA is heading? Bosh left, James left, Mello leaving? CP3 to NY? Who's next, Dwight?

    Is "Loyalty" gone in the NBA today? WHY are these and other Stars leaving the teams that drafted them? More money? More fame? Championship desires?

    What do you think the above five players (and others) desire???
    Rings, Fame or Fortune?


    Discuss!!

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    They think the grass is always greener on the other side.

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    it's not like before when you could have a team full of descent and borderline all-stars and win a championship, or have one star with average talent around him. The way competition is now, you need stars to be successful. LeBron and Bosh realized this. Melo realizes this, and almost everyone else does also. Oh and BTW, D12 won't leave Orlando

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    I personally think players are leaving their team for more fame. They already have the money, none of them really have the killer instinct that defines a champion. I don't see any Jordan, Duncan, Kobe, Bird, or Magic in any of these players/men. None.

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    Dwight needs to go to OKC.

    Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, and Colin Kaepernick walk into a bar... To watch Russell Wilson win the Super Bowl.

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    Monta Ellis is loyal. He could have demanded a trade after seeing the We Believe team traded away for nothing but no, he stayed and got a tattoo of the new Dubs logo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baller101200 View Post
    Dwight needs to go to OKC.
    that would be scary

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    Quote Originally Posted by baller101200 View Post
    Dwight needs to go to OKC.
    I would hate to see Dwight leave Orlando but, WoW, that would be one hell of a team!
    I hope he doesn't leave ORL just like you would hate to see KD leave for ORL.

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    I agree that you need at least two superstars and a great defense to to win a championship. Look at the 2004 Detroit Pistons team that team had all-stars but, not superstars. The Pistons were such a balanced squad offensively and had all guys committed to the defensive end.

    Guys like Bosh, James, and Melo dont have that killer instinct. Melo had a great team in 2009 when I think they should've beaten the Lakers that year but, he doesn't have the desire to take control of his team Billups does that. James I thought had a great chance last year but, once again he failed the Cavs again.

    As far as these superstars leaving to go to new teams its alot of factors like the market of a team, a team's talent, more money, their inability to lead their old teams, or some guys are just quitters and dont want to carry their teams. You never heard Jordan, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, and other great legends saying that they wanted to go another team just because things aren't going well. All of those guys wanted to be the best and wanted to beat their opponents but, then again free agency can make or break a franchise. I mean look at what happened to us when Shaq left Orlando it tooks a whole decade to return to elite status.

    Oh and I can't picture guys like D12, Durant, Dirk, Kobe, Pierce, Duncan, and especially Wade to leave their respective teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k24springs View Post
    I agree that you need at least two superstars and a great defense to to win a championship. Look at the 2004 Detroit Pistons team that team had all-stars but, not superstars. The Pistons were such a balanced squad offensively and had all guys committed to the defensive end.

    Guys like Bosh, James, and Melo dont have that killer instinct. Melo had a great team in 2009 when I think they should've beaten the Lakers that year but, he doesn't have the desire to take control of his team Billups does that. James I thought had a great chance last year but, once again he failed the Cavs again.

    As far as these superstars leaving to go to new teams its alot of factors like the market of a team, a team's talent, more money, their inability to lead their old teams, or some guys are just quitters and dont want to carry their teams. You never heard Jordan, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, and other great legends saying that they wanted to go another team just because things aren't going well. All of those guys wanted to be the best and wanted to beat their opponents but, then again free agency can make or break a franchise. I mean look at what happened to us when Shaq left Orlando it tooks a whole decade to return to elite status.

    Oh and I can't picture guys like D12, Durant, Dirk, Kobe, Pierce, Duncan, and especially Wade to leave their respective teams.
    Touché, well said brotha, well said.

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    Everyone teaming up like this doesn't really bother me but the way some players go about it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseysFinest View Post
    it's not like before when you could have a team full of descent and borderline all-stars and win a championship, or have one star with average talent around him. The way competition is now, you need stars to be successful. LeBron and Bosh realized this. Melo realizes this, and almost everyone else does also. Oh and BTW, D12 won't leave Orlando
    Yeah, just look at the 90's Knicks.

    It was practically Ewing by himself always. His "best" sidekick for the most part was John Starks. I consider Starks like what Denver has in JR Smith: a good player that can be the #3 on a team or a specialty player (3 point) that can also pull up and drive a bit. That was the best talent he got. That was Ewing's #2 man. Yeah, they got Houston and Sprewell, but when he was already on his way down.

    Look at David Robinson. He won alright. But when? When he got himself another superstar (even though he was on his way down...but really, Duncan beats Houston and Spree).


    Its harder now to win.

    Ewing dunk past Mourning
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireworld View Post
    I would hate to see Dwight leave Orlando but, WoW, that would be one hell of a team!
    I hope he doesn't leave ORL just like you would hate to see KD leave for ORL.
    Yeah I don't see it happening. But a Westbrook, Durant, Dwight trio would be absolutely insane. Defensively, they would be the best team by far.

    Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, and Colin Kaepernick walk into a bar... To watch Russell Wilson win the Super Bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k24springs View Post
    I agree that you need at least two superstars and a great defense to to win a championship. Look at the 2004 Detroit Pistons team that team had all-stars but, not superstars. The Pistons were such a balanced squad offensively and had all guys committed to the defensive end.

    Guys like Bosh, James, and Melo dont have that killer instinct. Melo had a great team in 2009 when I think they should've beaten the Lakers that year but, he doesn't have the desire to take control of his team Billups does that. James I thought had a great chance last year but, once again he failed the Cavs again.

    As far as these superstars leaving to go to new teams its alot of factors like the market of a team, a team's talent, more money, their inability to lead their old teams, or some guys are just quitters and dont want to carry their teams. You never heard Jordan, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, and other great legends saying that they wanted to go another team just because things aren't going well. All of those guys wanted to be the best and wanted to beat their opponents but, then again free agency can make or break a franchise. I mean look at what happened to us when Shaq left Orlando it tooks a whole decade to return to elite status.

    Oh and I can't picture guys like D12, Durant, Dirk, Kobe, Pierce, Duncan, and especially Wade to leave their respective teams.
    Now ask yourself what all these players had in common when it came time to sign a new contract? (hint: a fantastic basketball city and/or coach+management and/or supporting cast and/or the cap space to create a contender in the near future).

    Not all situations are alike. What Melo's doing here to Denver (while still on a very strong team and under contract) is far worse than what James or Bosh did (simply left after their contract was up, while not making any promises, and for the most part not mentioning the off-season whatsoever while they were still there. I see nothing wrong with that at all. The way each of them did it was disrespectful in a sense, but by no means immoral or wrong in any way), but it's still understandable.

    It may be true that the stars of this generation are more interested in winning rings and/or fame+money than in generations past (Rather than loyalty to a particular city. Especially when owners themselves trade players all the time with no regard for their loyalty. So it goes both ways fellas), but I think it has more to do with a lack of parity in the league, and those great players in the poor situations want a chance to compete with the absolutely stacked teams like the Lakers and Celtics. Since their organizations didn't have the means to draw in other top tier players to win the ring, they went elsewhere.

    It's a job, and a business - this is the reality of the NBA - and every other sport in the world. The only way to slow this is by implementing a "hard cap" on the NBA teams so that an owner like Jerry Buss or Cuban can't simply try to buy their way to the top, but the players union won't let that happen right now. So, this is the natural result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tredigs View Post
    Now ask yourself what all these players had in common when it came time to sign a new contract? (hint: a fantastic basketball city and/or coach+management and/or supporting cast).

    Not all situations are alike. What Melo's doing here to Denver (while still on a very strong team and under contract) is far worse than what James or Bosh did (simply left after their contract was up, while not making any promises, and for the most part not mentioning the off-season whatsoever while they were still there. I see nothing wrong with that at all. The way each of them did it was disrespectful in a sense, but by no means immoral or wrong in any way).

    It may be true that the stars of this generation are more interested in winning rings and/or fame+money than in generations past (Rather than loyalty to a particular city. Especially when owners themselves trade players all the time with no regard for their loyalty. So it goes both ways fellas), but I think it has more to do with a lack of parity in the league, and those great players in the poor situations want a chance to compete with the absolutely stacked teams like the Lakers and Celtics. Since their organizations didn't have the means to draw in other top tier players to win the ring, they went elsewhere.

    It's a job, and a business - this is the reality of the NBA - and every other sport in the world. The only way to slow this is by implementing a "hard cap" on the NBA teams so that an owner like Jerry Buss or Cuban can't simply try to buy their way to the top, but the players union simply won't let that happen right now. So, this is the natural result.
    I can respect that. I guess it all boils down to the owners and what they're willing to pay to help their Super-Stars stay/win.

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