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    To Judge a Trade

    How do you judge a trade of a superstar?
    We've seen McGrady, Shaq, Garnett and A.I. all moved over the last few years for various "pieces." So how do we judge these trades and what is the cut-off for attributing players to a trade i.e. it has been a popular move for sports writers to attribute Pau Gasol to the Shaq trade via the Caron Butler trade. Is that stretching it too far? And, who got the best deal for their superstar?

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    LA got the steal of the century, but I wouldn't say it was a result of the Shaq trade.
    Dwight Howard is a Top 5 Center of All-Time, no one in this league can touch him.

    The Orlando Magic are a dominant contender and are a better franchise than I ever thought possible.

    Raph12 is always right.

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    Has to be Shaq and Garnett second.

    McGrady deal is irrelevant and I would not call him a superstar at this point.

    Iverson deal is an incomplete...the Iverson to Denver deal got us Young and Speights and indirectly Holiday and Turner if that's who we draft this year. I say indirectly because we may have ended up with draft picks that did not get us Holiday or the second this year if we didn't trade him. Unlike Mcgrady, AI was a superstar when traded.

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    I think there will never be a true return in value for a superstar.

    For example, people say the Garnett deal was bad but they got a lot of draft picks and now a great big man in Al Jefferson. But the star is the much better player so I think from a fan perspective, its pretty hard to get true value for a superstar.



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    Garnett wasn't gonna do **** in Minyy, so Minny was smart in trading him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakaroach View Post
    I think there will never be a true return in value for a superstar.

    For example, people say the Garnett deal was bad but they got a lot of draft picks and now a great big man in Al Jefferson. But the star is the much better player so I think from a fan perspective, its pretty hard to get true value for a superstar.
    Philadelphia got superior players in Andre Miller and Joe Smith plus 2 draft picks once that got rid of AI.

    Denver got a superior player in Billups + McDyess who they "bought out" when they traded AI, so it is possible.
    Dwight Howard is a Top 5 Center of All-Time, no one in this league can touch him.

    The Orlando Magic are a dominant contender and are a better franchise than I ever thought possible.

    Raph12 is always right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveNash View Post
    Philadelphia got superior players in Andre Miller and Joe Smith plus 2 draft picks once that got rid of AI.

    Denver got a superior player in Billups + McDyess who they "bought out" when they traded AI, so it is possible.
    Allen Iverson at that stage in his career I would not consider a superstar player, especially with the Detroit deal, but you make a good point. By true I meant equal value.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakaroach View Post
    Allen Iverson at that stage in his career I would not consider a superstar player, especially with the Detroit deal, but you make a good point. By true I meant equal value.
    He came in 6th for the all star vote in 2007 ahead of KG. And was voted as an All Star starter in 2009.
    Dwight Howard is a Top 5 Center of All-Time, no one in this league can touch him.

    The Orlando Magic are a dominant contender and are a better franchise than I ever thought possible.

    Raph12 is always right.

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    You base it off thw NSW
    National Swag Index
    Leave me alone

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveNash View Post
    He came in 6th for the all star vote in 2007 ahead of KG. And was voted as an All Star starter in 2009.
    Did you just use the All-Star vote as a reason for him being a superstar? Point is, equal value is pretty hard to retain for a superstar. Your either going to overpay or underpay.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveNash View Post
    Philadelphia got superior players in Andre Miller and Joe Smith plus 2 draft picks once that got rid of AI.

    Denver got a superior player in Billups + McDyess who they "bought out" when they traded AI, so it is possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakaroach View Post
    Did you just use the All-Star vote as a reason for him being a superstar? Point is, equal value is pretty hard to retain for a superstar. Your either going to overpay or underpay.
    Is Jordan not a superstar even though he'd suck if he stepped onto the court again?

    Is Miley Cyrus not a superstar even though she can't sing worth a damn?

    Quote Originally Posted by JordansBulls View Post
    Come on JB you know it's true.
    Dwight Howard is a Top 5 Center of All-Time, no one in this league can touch him.

    The Orlando Magic are a dominant contender and are a better franchise than I ever thought possible.

    Raph12 is always right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveNash View Post
    Is Jordan not a superstar even though he'd suck if he stepped onto the court again?

    Is Miley Cyrus not a superstar even though she can't sing worth a damn?
    Ah I see where you misunderstood me lol. My bad, I meant "elite player".



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakaroach View Post
    Ah I see where you misunderstood me lol. My bad, I meant "elite player".
    Hmm, well I guess you could list Grant Hill even though it was debatable whether or not he was an elite player.
    Dwight Howard is a Top 5 Center of All-Time, no one in this league can touch him.

    The Orlando Magic are a dominant contender and are a better franchise than I ever thought possible.

    Raph12 is always right.

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    it depends on the trade. If you send away an aging franchise player for young players and picks, it takes until those players and picks develop to judge the trade.
    If you trade a star for a star, easy, you see who does better or which team does better essentially.
    If you trade an all star because you just can't over the hump for picks and players, it is judged similar to the first trade.
    KG is the first trade. Can anyone here really tell me what Minnesota has done with all the assets at this point? Nope. They are still developing those assets thru players and picks.
    A star for star trade is easy to gauge. Whichever player fits better with their new team and enjoys sustained success wins
    Gasol is trade #3. He was never going to be the #1 option on a contender, but he makes a great second option on a deep team. Memphis is now developing the assets they got. They didn't get as robbed as people think.

    Then there is the trade that looks ridiculous, and doesn't matter. The Lakers trading Butler would be this.

    If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.

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