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    Bill Simmons: NBA Trades Should Happen At Furious Pace

    I love Bill. Great read here.

    Whole article here: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...3&sportCat=nba

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    The short-term point: We're headed for a particularly feverish trading season. Heading into Christmas, I can't remember a longer list of teams that absolutely have to make a move for one of three reasons:

    Group A: To save money and/or shed cap space for next season (and the next two to three seasons).
    Group B: To get something for a franchise player before he flees in free agency.
    Group C: To give away a top-shelf player as a way to shed an unpalatable contract or three.

    And we have Group D: Boston, Dallas, Cleveland, Miami, Houston, Portland and the Lakers … or as they're more commonly known, "The Teams That Can't Wait To Take Advantage Of Someone In Group A, B or C." I am including Miami despite its nightly Monet painting; the Heat have $50-plus million in expiring contracts for panic trades in case Dwyane Wade plays the "I don't want to waste another season in my prime, I'm leaving in July for Chicago or New York if you don't get me some help for the 2010 playoffs" card. Which, by the way, should be happening within the next five weeks. There's only so many times you can kick it to Mario Chalmers for a wide-open three and watch it clang off the rim.

    So where do we stand? Let's figure out the identity of the sellers, along with their payroll situations and free advice from the VP of Common Sense and Picasso of the ESPN Trade Machine. (By the way, both nicknames are mine. I can't have enough nicknames. I'm like Apollo Creed.) All projected 2010-11 payrolls do not have salaries for 2010 draft picks factored in, obviously.

    (Important note: I am excluding the Nets, who are being sold right now to Mutant Russian Mark Cuban and won't do anything major before February. I'm also excluding Utah, which jumped the gun on me by shedding cap space in the deal with the Zombie Sonics: Matt Harpring's expiring contract and impressive rookie Eric Maynor for nothing. How dare you jump the gun on my column, Utah! You couldn't have waited a day?)

    New York Knicks (group A)

    2009-10 payroll: $83.1 million
    Projected 2010-11 payroll: $27.3 million

    • The VP's Take: They need to clear $18 million of Eddy Curry/Jared Jeffries contracts before next summer's LeBron Sweepstakes, either by trade or by spiking their Gatorade with heroin. The second move would be a criminal act; the first move could only happen if they threw their last two lottery picks (Danilo Gallinari AND Jordan Hill) into the trade (or trades). They need to carve out $45-48 million in cap space so they can lure LeBron, Bosh and either Wade or Joe Johnson as The Ultimate Big Three. Everything else will take care of itself.

    • Mitigating Factor: Knicks GM Donnie Walsh has been offering Al Harrington around for ECs (expiring contracts), then insisting the other team takes Curry or Jeffries as well. Gee, thanks, Donnie! Really, you're throwing one of them in for me free of charge? How nice of you! He's the annoying guy in your fantasy league whose e-mails you finally just start deleting. Donnie, you need to get a little more realistic. And soon.

    • The VP's Verdict: Trade! Trade! I am thinking something like this …

    Fake Trade 1a: Gallinari, Curry and $3 million to Minnesota for the Mark Blount/Brian Cardinal ECs. Basically, Minnesota would be paying $10 million next year to get Gallinari for 2011, 2012 and 2013. Total financial commitment: $23 million. Isn't a lottery pick and potential 50-40-90 percentage guy worth $23 million over three years (just $9 million for the last two), especially for a team stupidly playing the "we're waiting for Ricky Rubio, so tuck yourself in and enjoy three years of losing and misery!" card? Of course.

    Fake Trade No. 1b: Jeffries, Hill and $3 million to Sacramento for Kenny Thomas' EC. Same principle, less money: You just bought a lottery pick for the price of Jeffries' 2010-11 contract ($6.5 million, and by the way, he's a valuable defender). The same offer could work for the Nets (Bobby Simmons), Zombie Sonics (Etan Thomas) and Blazers (Steve Blake/Travis Outlaw). Someone will bite.

    Back to the Knicks: Scott Layden and Isiah Thomas did so much damage to that franchise that, really, there's a certain symmetry in them emerging from the 2000s without keeping a single lottery pick thanks to the aforementioned two trades. But if they cleared the decks completely, couldn't they seduce LeBron with the offer of building his own franchise from scratch in America's biggest city -- the metropolis where basketball matters the most, in a market he could potentially own like no New York athlete since Namath, in one of the two cities that would respect his privacy and allow him to pursue all the non-basketball things he wants to pursue -- and put himself on the map for eternity as the guy who saved basketball in New York City? Anyone can win a title. Not anyone can own New York for a few years.

    Look, I change my mind on this topic almost every month. I have no idea how it will play out. None. I just know the Knicks have a chance to offer LeBron James something that nobody else has ever been offered in sports history: A blank canvas and unlimited resources for a potential top-10 player of all time who is just hitting his prime to build his own All-Star team. It's unprecedented. If Gallinari and Hill have to be sacrificed to make it happen, you do it. You don't even think twice.

    Milwaukee Bucks (group A)

    2009-10 payroll: $68.3 million
    Projected 2010-11 payroll: $51.6 million

    • VP's Advice: Need a contender to bite on Michael Redd's contract ($35M remaining through 2011), and if that team is stupid enough to take Dan Gadzuric's contract as well ($14M through 2011), even better. It's the Jennings/Bogut Era now. A surprisingly fun one, by the way. Who knew?

    • Mitigating Factor: None. Although it would help if Gadzuric showed a pulse for the first time in five years. I wish NBA teams could motivate players the same way I motivate my daughter during the holiday season. Wait, do you want me to tell Santa that you did that? I'm talking to him tomorrow! I'm going to tell him that you did that!

    • VP's Verdict: Wait six weeks. If Redd heats up, they might be able to rope Cleveland into a "Shaq for Redd/Gadzuric" panic trade. Regardless, they're under the tax, and more importantly, people give a crap about basketball in Wisconsin again. Two 2009 lottery picks revived NBA franchises … and neither of them were named "Griffin" or "Rubio"? Flabbergasting.

    Golden State Warriors (group A)

    2009-10 payroll: $65.9 million
    Projected 2010-11 payroll: $52.1 million

    • VP's Take: No plan, no identity, and no idea what they're doing. All bets are off. They might be dumb enough to use Anthony Randolph (a top-10 talent among the under-25 guys, even if he's a little nuts) or Andris Biedrins to get someone to bite on Corey Maggette's contract ($40 million remaining through 2013). Let's hope not. They should be building around Randolph, Biedrins, Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry and giving them the lion's share of minutes.

    • Mitigating Factor: It wouldn't shock me if they dealt Randolph, Biedrins, Ellis and Curry in the same trade. It also wouldn't shock me if Don Nelson coached a game naked from the waist down, or if their devoted fans organized the first-ever boycott of a professional sports team that actually worked. Can an entire franchise get Tyson Zone status?

    (Random note: One of my favorite movies growing up was called "Inside Moves." It's about a lovable bar of cripples and sad sacks in San Francisco. The bartender is a Warriors season-ticket holder who had a promising basketball career derailed by a bum knee. I won't spoil the ending for you, but it's important to note that when this movie was being made, somebody asked, "Who should be the favorite team for the gimp bartender? Wait, I got it … the Warriors!" And this was 1980. At least with the Clippers, you can blame Donald Sterling for their problems. Who do you blame for three-plus decades of Warriors dysfunction? I mean, other than God?)

    • VP's Verdict: Don't trade, G-State. But if you do, here's an idea …

    Fake Trade No. 2 (three-way): Tracy McGrady's EC to the Knicks; Randolph, Eddy Curry and Cuttino Mobley's EC to Houston; Gallinari to the Warriors. New York wipes Curry off the books. Houston takes a $10 million hit next year for a chance to hit superstar pay dirt with Randolph. Golden State gets something for Randolph before he inadvertently sabotages his trade value for good by crying during all five games of a road trip. And Gallinari realizes his destiny as a NellieBaller. Everyone wins.

    (Well, except for the Warriors fans. They always lose. It's just the rule. I have no doubt that Anthony Randolph can only fail for Golden State, and I have no doubt that he will come back to haunt them somewhere else. Maybe they're better off just keeping him and continuing to destroy him mentally until he goes Sprewell on someone. Or as Don Nelson calls it, "Plan A.")

    Indiana Pacers (group A)

    2009-10 payroll: $66.9 million
    Projected 2010-11 payroll: $65.7 million (OVER)

    • VP's Take: The Pacers should be a small-market team that pays one big star (in this case, Danny Granger) and a bunch of scrappy role players. Right now, they're in no-man's land -- destined to win 35 to 42 games a year, with no chance of growing into something better than that. Why not just bottom out? Like what David Kahn tried to do in Minnesota, only not as clumsy and caked in double-talk.

    • Mitigating Factor: Any "bottoming out" needs to include the team dumping Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy and/or T.J. Ford (making $60.3 million combined through 2011). On the Untradeable Scale from 1 to Gilbert Arenas, Murphy is a 2, Dunleavy is a 6.5 (because of knee issues) and T.J. Ford is an 8.

    • VP's Verdict: Move those Dunleavy/Murphy contracts while they're in uniforms and not street clothes or walking casts. For example …

    Fake Trade 3a: Murphy and Dunleavy to Cleveland for Shaq's EC. Love the Murphy fit for Cleveland because he can shoot threes and rebound; they could play him, Varejao, LeBron, West and Williams at crunch time. Anything Dunleavy gives them is a bonus. For Indiana, they can buy out Shaq (saving a couple of million), then save another $23 million next season. And you thought professional basketball couldn't be salvaged in Indiana! Let's celebrate by hitting a local strip club and firing gunshots into the air. What, too soon?

    Fake Trade 3b: Murphy, Dunleavy and Travis Diener to Utah for Andrei Kirilenko, Kosta Koufos and Kyle Korver's EC. Admittedly, this trade makes no sense -- I just wanted to break the record for "most white guys in an all-white trade."

    Minnesota Timberwolves (group A)

    2009-10 payroll: $64.3 million
    Projected 2010-11 payroll: $37.9 million

    • VP's Take: The only "seller" not worth discussing -- they have almost $23 million in expiring contracts to play with, but it would be crazy for them to add 2010-11 payroll when they aren't going anywhere and have made it VERY clear that they don't care for two years. Word on the street is that they won't even discuss Rubio trades with other teams. That's amazing. Look, there is no bigger Rubio fan than me. But he's not a sure thing. This isn't like waiting for Larry Bird to finish his 1978-79 Indiana State season … and even worse, it's two seasons and potentially three. If you're a floundering NBA doormat struggling to generate revenue, and you just spent the past 10 years proving to your fan base that they shouldn't have faith in the decision-making for the team, can you really play the "Just Be Patient" card?

    Being a Wolves fan is like sitting in an airport gate waiting for news on a delayed flight. Do you think we'll take off today? Any word yet? Only it's going to be like that for the next two years. At least.

    (You know what would be really funny? Minnesota ending up with the No. 1 pick next spring. Again, I love Rubio … but John Wall is a sure thing. He's a cross between Dwyane Wade and Derrick Rose. You keep Wall over Rubio 100 times out of 100. Watching David Kahn sheepishly shop Rubio's rights a year late would be high comedy. Look, we still love Ricky, this doesn't change how we feel about him. But when you have a chance to add Rudy Fernandez and Nicolas Batum to your team, you have to do it.)

    Charlotte Bobcats (group A)

    2009-10 payroll: $67.0 million
    Projected 2010-11 payroll: $59.8 million

    • VP's Take: I don't mind watching these guys. They play hard, they're well-coached and Gerald Wallace's rebounding binge ranks up there with Kevin Porter being a four-time assist leader and E.C. Coleman making first-team All-Defense as one of the most random NBA things that's ever happened. If they upgraded Boris Diaw ($27 million through 2012), they might even be a mildly frisky Round 1 opponent. On the flip side, they're leading the league in Monets and paying $50.5 million combined through 2011 to Tyson Chandler, DeSagana Diop and Nazr Mohammed … or as they're more commonly known, "50.5 Million That We Should Have Just Set On Fire."

    (Important note: Did you know DeSagana Diop will earn $7.342 million just for the 2012-13 season? I think the Mark Cuban Big Man Scholarship Fund is my favorite NBA charity. The NBA really DOES care.)

    • Mitigating Factor: Larry Brown is permanently wired in "short-term right now we gotta fix this and get better!" mode, only they're getting destroyed financially and can only hope to win 37 to 40 games (good enough to make the playoffs in the crappy Eastern Conference, but still).

    • VP's Verdict: Go for it this year and tank long-term. For example …

    Fake Trade 4a: Diaw, D.J. Augustin and Gerald Henderson to Phoenix for Amar'e Stoudemire and Taylor Griffin (cap throw-in). Charlotte satiates Brown's short-term competitive disorder, gets a 20-point scorer AND gets out of Diaw's deal. If Amar'e leaves after the season, so be it. Phoenix saves $6 million (including the tax), adds two young assets and gets something for Amar'e. One danger: Nash pulls a "BROOKS WAS HERE" in his hotel room when he hears about the trade. Otherwise, I like it.

    Fake Trade 4b: Chandler and Wallace to the Clippers for Marcus Camby, Al Thornton and the Rasual Butler/Ricky Davis ECs. Camby is a one-year upgrade on Chandler who replaces Wallace's rebounding; Thornton/Butler could replace Wallace's scoring; and the deal saves Charlotte $3 million-plus this year, then another $20 million next year. Again, have you seen their home games? They hosted Detroit on Tuesday and it looked like it was "Get Your Own Row Night."

    L.A. Clippers (group A)

    2009-10 payroll: $59.7 million
    Projected 2010-11 payroll: $39.0 million

    • VP's Take: A frontcourt logjam looming with Blake Griffin coming back soon. Can't mess with his minutes. He's a stud. That means trading Chris Kaman (near impossible) or getting something for Marcus Camby (expiring this summer) while he's healthy. And if they save money, that's a bonus. Remember, they're owned by the cheapest man alive.

    • Mitigating Factor: Mike Dunleavy doesn't see it that way, explaining their decision to keep Camby like this: "When you have a stock that's going up, you don't want to sell it. When it's going down, nobody wants to buy it. So we just want to freeze, do nothing and continue to suck the soul from our fans." Fine, I made the last sentence up. He said the other two, though.

    • VP's Verdict: Camby's stock WILL go down. Time to sell. Right now. Today. We even have the perfect suitor: the Trail Blazers, who tragically lost both of their centers in a four-week span. What about …

    Fake Trade 5: Camby to Portland for the Outlaw/Blake ECs and the rights to Victor Claver (Portland's 2009 No. 1, currently stashed in Europe). Pretty good haul for the dirt-cheap Clips -- they end up with a $4.5 million profit swing and a highly regarded European for someone who was leaving anyway.

    (Important note: If the Clips had a real owner, they'd be shopping Kaman and offering the rights to Minnesota's 2011 pick to get it done, just to clear cap space for LeBron and another big-ticket free agent this summer. Sadly, Donald Sterling's skills lie in housing discrimination, not owning a basketball team. Too bad.)

    Memphis Grizzlies (group B)

    2009-10 payroll: $54.4 million
    Projected 2010-2011 payroll: $47.4 million

    • The VP's Take: Can you have a feel-good season when you're 13-15? Apparently so. Like always with the Grizzlies, there's a problem looming: Rudy Gay (playing well) has moved into the deadly Iguodala Zone for non-franchise players who will get overpaid, and even worse, start believing this makes them a franchise player. You don't want to shell out $75 million for Rudy if you're doing everything short of passing a hat around at home games like the Grizzlies. It might make more sense to flip Rudy and dump Marko Jaric's contract ($14.7M through 2011) in the deal. Repeat: might.

    • Mitigating Factor: Chris Wallace is in charge. Open the window, pour a glass of reason and toss it out the window.

    • VP's Verdict: I say keep the Gay-Mayo Era going through the spring, then hope Rudy gets attached to playing on what has become an immensely fun Grizzlies team. If he isn't feeling it, sign-and-trade him in July. Don't panic now. Do you hear me, Guy Who Traded Pau Gasol Three Weeks Before The 2008 Trade Deadline? DON'T PANIC NOW.

    Toronto Raptors (group B)

    2009-10 payroll: $68.2 million
    Projected 2010-11 payroll: $47.5 million (not counting Chris Bosh's $17.1 million player option for 2010)

    • VP's Take: As I wrote last July, there's nothing more dangerous than a GM worried about his job who dumps the team's long-term interests to protect the short-term. Everything Bryan Colangelo did last summer screamed, "I need to keep my job!!!" Now the Raptors are hamstrung with an overpaid, below-.500 roster that doubles as the worst defensive team of this decade -- seriously, what did they think would happen when Jose Calderon, Hedo Turkoglu and Andrea Bargnani were three of the team's best four guys? -- and Chris Bosh seems like a mortal lock to leave. You can't do the Frank Drebin Memorial "Please disperse, nothing to see here, please disperse" routine. Raptors fans are too smart. They get it.

    • Mitigating Factor: By dealing Bosh, Colangelo would be effectively saying, "I made some mistakes, we need to press the RESET button and start over." Translation: "Fire me, I deserve it." Since nobody would ever sabotage their own job like that, he will probably keep Bosh, make a smaller trade and pray things turn around. If they don't, the Raptors will get nothing for him. Not fair to the Raptor Truthers. At all.

    • VP's Verdict: Bosh doesn't have nearly as much trade value as Chris Paul because he's obviously fleeing in six months. Still, they should be using him to retool and dump the Marcus Banks/Reggie Evans ECs ($9.8 million owed in 2011). A trade like Bosh, Reggie Evans and Marcus Banks to Houston for T-Mac, Luis Scola, a 2010 No. 1 pick and $3 million makes a little sense, but Colangelo would never do it. He'd be better off keeping Bosh and making believe he might stay. One scenario DOES make sense though …

    • Fake Trade 6: Bosh/Evans/Banks to Dallas for Erik Dampier (team option for 2010-11, making him valuable since he can be used as an EC for a summer trade to a team that would then waive him to chop payroll) and Josh Howard (EC). I like this one because it keeps Toronto competitive for 2009-10 and again this summer if they want to flip Dampier (for instance, they could send him to New York for a Gallinari/Curry package). And for Dallas … I mean … could you win the title with Dirk, Bosh, Marion, Kidd and Terry as your crunch-time five? I feel like you could. Even with Dirk's hair looking like it does.

    And while we're here …

    • Fake Trade 7a: Jose Calderon to the Lakers for Adam Morrison (EC), Jordan Farmar and $3 million. Time for Toronto to cut the cord with Calderon (owed $37.5 million through 2013), the league's No. 1 desperately-needs-a-change-of-scenery guy right now. He can't defend anyone, has lost his mojo and plays with zero confidence against the Nashes and Pauls. I don't know what happened to him. (And yes, I know his stats aren't much different than they were in 2007. I just know what I see.) But in L.A.? He could be rejuvenated as a Steve Kerr-type shooter in that system; he'd have shot-blockers to protect him defensively; he'd have Phil Jackson rebuilding his confidence and giving him Gabriel Garcia Marquez books; and he'd get reunited with Team Spain buddy Pau Gasol. Meanwhile, Toronto makes money this year, saves 2011-2012-2013 cash and doesn't lose much with Farmar and Jarrett Jack running the show. Win-win.

    • Fake Trade 7b: Calderon to the Celtics for Eddie House (EC), Tony Allen (EC), Glen Davis and $3 million. Celts get the third guard they need; Toronto dumps Calderon's contract, pockets $3 million and gets a useful banger in Big Baby.

    (Crap. That's not nearly as good as the Lakers trade. I feel sick. Forget I mentioned this.)

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    Too long to post everything. Here's whole article.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...3&sportCat=nba


    Long read...but most everything Simmons basketball related is worth it.
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    A few things of note he says:

    Knicks: Clear Eddy and Jared's contracts by the start of next summer. Danilo probably will have to be packaged for any deal to happen.

    Bucks: Need to move Redd, and if lucky, Gadzuric. Cleveland might be an option.

    Warriors: No clue what they are doing. Unpredictable. Shouldn't trade, but will.

    Indiana: Stuck in no-man's land with one star and scrappy role players. Move Murphy and Dunleavy while healthy (for Shaq??)

    Minnesota: A seller not worth discussing. Tons of expirings they shouldn't deal.

    Charlotte: Upgrade Diaw, have 3 overpaid iffy bigmen (Diop, Nazr, Tyson make 50.4 million). Go big this year? Or build for the future?

    Clippers: Logjam upfront. Kaman is tough to move, Camby is an expiring, might not get much. Need to sell Camby now.

    Grizzlies: Move Gay (compares him to Iggy, a non-franchise overpaid player) and dump Jaric.

    Toronto: Move Bosh and Calderon. Has some ideas.

    New Orleans: A ton of bad contracts, luxury tax, can't win a title, losing money. Trade CP3 if the deal is right. Can't move West bc it would upset Paul. Tough situation.

    Washington: Gilbert is going to financially destroy this team. He says they need to clean house. Move Jamison and Butler for Shaq's expiring. Make a move for Boozer. Do whatever. Blow it up.

    Detroit: "Confusing mess of overpaid perimeter guys and underpaid perimeter guys". If no one bites on Rip and Maxiell, move Prince.

    Philly: Get rid of Iggy, Brand and Sammy. All of them.

    Sacramento: Martin has great value. Move him and Kenny for future assets.
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    Bill Simmons is a bollo

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    I read this earlier, what a terrible article in every way possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuRRiCaNeS324 View Post
    Bill Simmons is a bollo
    Good insight.

    Quote Originally Posted by AddiX View Post
    I read this earlier, what a terrible article in every way possible.
    Elaborate. I think most of his ideas are well thought out and reasonable. His hate for Iggy is a bit bothersome, but besides that, I agree with him about what these teams should do.
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    Haters explain yourselves

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    Wow American Press really has no clue whats going on with the Raptors at all. Maybe he leaves but anyone who says hes gone for sure really is just hating on Canada's team. I still believe Bosh has a better chance at staying then Wade does. Thier definitely not the worst defensive team of the decade ya they had a rough start with all the new players and tough sch. but are getting better every game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LanceUpperCut View Post
    Wow American Press really has no clue whats going on with the Raptors at all. Maybe he leaves but anyone who says hes gone for sure really is just hating on Canada's team.
    Why would he want to stay? Toronto wont win anything anytime soon. They aren't really in a pretty financial situation, have too many bad contracts and bad players. That team needs a major face lift, why should he endure 4-5 more years of mediocrity when he can get out of there now. He can go to not only a better team, but a team with a shot at winning, and a much larger market. If I'm him, I'm sick of not getting respect. Where he plays, sadly, is the reason why.

    It's no guarantee, but it is definitely the consensus that he leaves. Call it hating, I call it using a brain.
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    there's no chance that the knicks trade Gallo
    Quote Originally Posted by NYSpirit1 View Post
    The Knicks were never this bad of a team. They always have been a 48-50 win team stuck in what was a 21-40 team's body.

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    It's going to be interesting to see what the Blazers are going to do about their current predicament. They have lost Oden and Pryzbilla for the year, so I expect them to make a move. Teams like New York, Washington, Philly may also make some moves. Obviously, New York wants to shed salary so they can go after Wade, Lebron, Bosh or any of the other major free agents next year.

    Also, I am curious to see if Boozer remains in Utah for the rest of the year or will he be traded to a team like the Heat. I think if Riley can pull off that type of a major deal, it will entice Wade to re-sign.
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    I love Bill's idea about the Lakers acquiring Jose Calderon for Jordan Farmar and Morrison. I would take that deal any day of the week!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRamForPrez24 View Post
    Why would he want to stay? Toronto wont win anything anytime soon. They aren't really in a pretty financial situation, have too many bad contracts and bad players. That team needs a major face lift, why should he endure 4-5 more years of mediocrity when he can get out of there now. He can go to not only a better team, but a team with a shot at winning, and a much larger market. If I'm him, I'm sick of not getting respect. Where he plays, sadly, is the reason why.

    It's no guarantee, but it is definitely the consensus that he leaves. Call it hating, I call it using a brain.
    Do you not notice all the Raptor fans on here just as many as any of the other so called big markets. Oh wait he can go to New York or Chicago they look great. Who are all the bad players? Toronto's attendance is better than alot of teams in the league like Miami , Orlando, Cleveland and New Jersey so were is he going to go.

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    Wow! that calderon for morrison and farmar trade sounds really nice. I'd do it for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storch View Post
    Wow! that calderon for morrison and farmar trade sounds really nice. I'd do it for sure.
    Calderon has a really ugly contract!
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    The Knicks were never this bad of a team. They always have been a 48-50 win team stuck in what was a 21-40 team's body.

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    if the lakers would trade for an expensive pg it would be for hinrich not calderon

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