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  1. #1
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    Bonderman and Verlander

    Ok we know we need both of these guys to return to form to be able to have any chance at all . What are your UNBIASED projections for both pitchers this year? Now think hard and use your head and NOT your heart. We all want them to pitch well. But you also need to be honest with yourself.
    I know I would love to seeboth win 15 games. 180 ks and have ERAs of under 4. Which one will be the better of the two?

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    Verlander- 16-8 3.90 ERA 220 K
    Bonderman- 15-8 3.90 ERA 200 K
    Galaraga- 11-11 4.50 ERA 150 K

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    Quote Originally Posted by drewstantontime View Post
    Verlander- 16-8 3.90 ERA 220 K
    Bonderman- 15-8 3.90 ERA 200 K
    Galaraga- 11-11 4.50 ERA 150 K
    This is not the way to start this going. Do you honestly think Verlander and Bonderman are going to K over 200 hitters? Verlander maybe will come close But 200 for Bonderman is way out of line. And so his an under 4.00 ERA. Has he ever had a 4.00 ERA ? I don't believe he has.
    You have to be realistic here not optimistic.
    We'll count that post as a trial run. Care to try again?

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    Verlander: 17-7 3.45 ERA 177 K's
    Bonderman: 3-4 5.36 ERA 39 K's (injured early)

    Cabrera .313 ba, 30 hr 119 rbi


    BREAKOUT TIGER: Brandon Inge .281 ba, 26 hr, 99 rbi

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackB View Post
    This is not the way to start this going. Do you honestly think Verlander and Bonderman are going to K over 200 hitters? Verlander maybe will come close But 200 for Bonderman is way out of line. And so his an under 4.00 ERA. Has he ever had a 4.00 ERA ? I don't believe he has.
    You have to be realistic here not optimistic.
    We'll count that post as a trial run. Care to try again?
    ya, why not? you cant deny that they have the potential to do this, so why couldnt it be this year?

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    Because Bonderman isn't a 200 K pitcher. Verlander? maybe. And Bonderman isn't an under 4.00 ERA pitcher. Verlander Maybe close.

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    Bonderman- 13-10, 4.25, 170
    Verlander- 16-11, 3.85, 190
    Gallaraga- 12-10, 4.40, 140

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    Great Thread. I like the tone set for it.

    I am not a math geek, and I don’t understand/value the finer nuances of sabermetrics. However, I like the website www.fangraphs.com. The first batch of predictions is straight from (or my subjective mixture of) the James, Marcel, and CHONE 2009 projections. The second is…ahem…my homer predictions. I feel that the second batch of numbers will end up being more accurate than the first for a variety of fact-based reasons.

    I honestly don’t think we can even comprehend how much better our pitchers will “become” this year based on an actual defense behind them. That circus we called a defense last year was one of the worst I have ever witnessed.

    1. Verlander should bounce back. In fact, with I wouldn’t be surprised with better numbers than I penciled in for him, but I do worry about his participation in the WBC.
    2. Bondo is the enigma, it is difficult to predict which way he’ll go. I truthfully think it will be all or nothing. The post that predicts his 3 win, injury season may not be wrong. On the flip side, several guys have come back BETTER after this same surgery, throwing harder. A Bondo with another mph or two and a tad crisper slide piece could be sinister. I predict a slow start, and then picking up steam in the second half – thus rendering “mediocre” numbers.
    3. Galarraga I think is a solid 3, and will hover with solid showings for a number of years, but nothing too down or too great….which is OK with me.
    4. Jackson is predicted by many to be lost now that he’s not on the Rays…a 14 game winner who got lucky. I disagree. His age and stuff indicate otherwise. He’s moving to an “easier” division (with ALL those games vs. Chi, CLE, KC, MN vs. NY, BOS,) and I don’t think anyone could argue that the 09 Tiger’s defense is any worse (or better) than the Rays of last year. Copa is certainly a pitcher’s park. I honestly think he may be better than the second set of numbers listed.
    5. I don’t want Willis in this spot. I want Miner. I don’t think Miner will get the shot he deserves, though. At any rate, a return to health, dropped junk in the trunk, and the departure of ******* Chuck Hernandez should produce tangible numbers. (Anyone else look at Dontrelle’s BB #’s over his career? He’s never been a control freak, but over his career, his “funky delivery” Jimmy and Chuck were so fixated in correcting never put up the freak show of walks he made last year…and if you watched the games, and look at his other numbers from 08 – everything is in line except those damn walks).

    Verlander: 12-8, 3.99, 150k’s
    Bondo: 8-6, 4.06, 123 K’s
    Galaraga: 10-11, 4.43, 146 K’s
    Jackson: 10-11, 4.59, 147K’s
    Willis: 7-8, 5.26, 81 K’s


    Verlander: 17-9, 3.72, 182
    Bondo: 13 – 11, 4.12, 164
    Galaraga: 12-11, 4.46, 143
    Jackson: 14-10, 4.22, 168
    Willis: 10-13, 4.52, 148

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    First JackB. Bondo is a 200K pitcher. He struck out 200 some in '06. That slider/FB combo is deadly. If he could get that change piece to be even remotely serviceable, he could easily K 190+/year. Barring any injuries of course.

    Second, Verlander is an intriguing case. The kid has the talent to be a Cy Young candidate every year, but can he piece it together again, or was last year a sign of things to come? Who knows? Personally, I think he'll return to form (Barring injuries). Mind you, not Cy Young form, but a quality pitcher.

    Galarraga will come back down to Earth this year. Not to say he won't have a very nice year and be a nice piece to the rotation, but he'll become a bit more human IMO.

    Jackson is a very, very, very interesting case, and I will surely be watching him closely this year. I think honestly he can build off his performance last year. The main thing that troubled him last year IIRC, was his control at times. Well, good control is Rick Knapp's middle name.

    I think that Miner takes the 5th slot, maybe not at the beginning of the year, but eventually. I also think that Willis will make starts too, to give guys some breathers.



    So I guess:

    Verlander: 15-6; 3.83 ERA, 170K's
    Bonderman: 18-4; 3.43 ERA; 215K's
    Galarraga: 14-9; 4.21 ERA; 140K's
    Jackson: 15-6; 3.98 ERA; 140K's
    Miner: 10-4; 3.80 ERA; 95K's
    Willis: 8-4; 4.50 ERA; 60K's

    I think Verlander and Bondo get to the All Star Game, and Bondo finishes in the top 3 for Cy Young.
    Never Give Up

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    Holy crap^ If our pitchers can somehow manage those numbers than our bullpen will have very little work to do. We will score runs, no question about that, but I think our 4-5 starters will be a thorn in our side all year.

    I will say:
    Verlander- 17-9 3.88 ERA 230 K's
    Bondo- 15-7 4.1 ERA 190 K's
    Galarraga- 15-10 4.6 ERA 120 K's
    Jackson- 12-6 4.2 ERA 125 K's
    Willis 14-10 4.5 ERA 140 K's (I really expect him to be good next year)

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    What we lack in a stud starter, we hae 7 major league starters, so I would hope that at least 4 will be effective to some degree. I like the thought of Miner in the rotation, but I bet that payroll and the desire to have a lefty in the rotation will have Willis in there.

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    if willis sucks then hes gone, just like last season. robertson, well i hate the guy. id rather Miner in the pen to.

    Verlander- 18-8. 3.74 ERA. 190 K's
    Bondermon- 15-9. 4.0 ERA. 175 k's
    Gallaraga- 12-10. 4.5 ERA. 125 K's
    Jackson- 14-13. 4.25 ERA. 120 K's
    Willis- 4-7. 5.4 ERA. 75 K's
    Robertson- 6-6. 5.1 ERA. 120 K's.
    Miner- 5-2. 4.2 ERA. 80 K's

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    Rotation

    MAGIC 8 BALL SAYS:

    Verlander 3.85 17-11 188Ks
    Bonderman 4.26 13-12 175Ks

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    Verlander: 14-10, 3.95 ERA, 175K
    Bonderman: 12-12, 4.58 ERA, 140K
    Galarraga: 10-11, 4.90 ERA, 127K
    Jackson: 12-9, 4.84 ERA, 133K
    Robertson: 5-14, 5.70 ERA, 110K

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    Its ONLY Bonderman and Verlander I am asking about. I'm not concerned about any of the other straters. maybe we will have a thread about them.But for now lets just stick to the two in the heading.

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