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  1. #1
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    Is Allen Iverson a winner?

    First off I'll start by saying that I'm a big fan of Allen Iverson. I look at him as a true warrior and one of the most talented scorers in the league.

    But I'm starting the wonder, is he really a winner?

    After today's loss to the Knicks, the Pistons are under .500 with A.I. in the lineup. Now go ahead and look at someone like Chauncey Billups, who has turned his team around with leadership and defense, and how well Denver is playing.

    Iverson's style of isolation offense (pass me the ball and get out of the way) has never won a championship. Think of all our recent champions: Boston, Detroit, San Antonio, the Lakers.. they were all about teamwork.

    It looks to me like Iverson has to accept being just another piece of the puzzle, and that hasn't happened yet.

    If he had, the Pistons wouldn't be under .500 with him in the lineup.

    What's up with the Pistons?

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    AI has Heart

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    AI is starting to finally lose a step (This is to all you critics who said he would slow down at 27 or 28 years old). Now he is 33 and he can't carry a team all by himself anymore. He needs to find his role with the Pistons and the Pistons need to be able to utilize him. From the game I saw vs the Sixers, there were many plays where he wasnt involved and just standing on the side. Both sides need to adapt and benefit from what both can provide each other. Iverson is STILL an explosive player who can get to the hoop any time he wants, but to think there wouldnt be growing pains with this new talent, is just silly.

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    Its really hard to build a winner around him but hes definitely a winner, the guy gives his all and his teammates always love him for it. That said he has been overrated throughout his career and his style of play was at times cancerous so I can understand the thread topic. The problem with AI is he keeps getting traded for TRUE Winners so when hes replaced people question his value. Any team that add AI is better for it, and not all of Detroits problems are his fault.

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    AI would be much more effective with the Pistons if he would accept a 6th man role and be a scorer off the bench.

    Stuckey seems to be more fit for a balanced offense as starter to set the tone. If AI plays off the bench he can assert is role as a focal point of the offense better. Because that's how his game is best utilized throughout his career.

    Iverson needs the ball in his hands to be effective...and if he becomes the sixth man he can do that matched up against the opponents second unit.
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    AI is a loser, always has been always will be. He has to have a team built around him and can't accommodate players that don't fit his style.

    He can't become a piece of the puzzle because his defense is horrible, his offense is terrible, and his attitude is dreadful.

    Pistons should just waive the loser and be done with him. Let him ruin some other team.

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    He has heart and in my opinion, the greatest little man of all time.....but, his style of play is not a winning style. Going 1 and 5 never got it done and the one coach who got the best out of him and had the right players around him, Larry Brown, he was always battling with him.

    He is a great player, HOF, but not a winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayW_1023 View Post
    AI would be much more effective with the Pistons if he would accept a 6th man role and be a scorer off the bench.

    Stuckey seems to be more fit for a balanced offense as starter to set the tone. If AI plays off the bench he can assert is role as a focal point of the offense better. Because that's how his game is best utilized throughout his career.

    Iverson needs the ball in his hands to be effective...and if he becomes the sixth man he can do that matched up against the opponents second unit.
    Excellent post. I agree completely.


    Looks like the only thing Detroit got out of this deal was cap space...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveNash View Post
    AI is a loser, always has been always will be. He has to have a team built around him and can't accommodate players that don't fit his style.

    He can't become a piece of the puzzle because his defense is horrible, his offense is terrible, and his attitude is dreadful.

    Pistons should just waive the loser and be done with him. Let him ruin some other team.
    Credibility lost. Third leading scorer (by average) of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseWithFleas View Post
    Credibility lost. Third leading scorer (by average) of all time.
    He should drop out of the top 10 when his career is done. That's the problem with comparing active players to players whose careers are already done.

    Besides that, who else in the top scorers list have shot as poorly has AI has?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseWithFleas View Post
    AI is starting to finally lose a step (This is to all you critics who said he would slow down at 27 or 28 years old). Now he is 33 and he can't carry a team all by himself anymore. He needs to find his role with the Pistons and the Pistons need to be able to utilize him. From the game I saw vs the Sixers, there were many plays where he wasnt involved and just standing on the side. Both sides need to adapt and benefit from what both can provide each other. Iverson is STILL an explosive player who can get to the hoop any time he wants, but to think there wouldnt be growing pains with this new talent, is just silly.
    Yeah I agree wit you man. Incorporating AI's rare talent into Detroit's system will be tough at first but they'll figure it out. Pistons are historically better being the underdogs.

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    Well Havlichek is around him give or take 1 percent.
    Bob Cousy got 17,000 points shooting 37.5%

    Iverson is 18th leading scorer of ALL TIME and he will most likely get to top 10 by end of career. Even if he dropped to 11th scoring average leader of all time, that doesn't qualify his offense as great... surely it isnt terrible...

    Who else on the scoring list is that small???? The smaller in size you are, you are naturally going to have a bit lower of a shooting %
    Last edited by MooseWithFleas; 12-07-2008 at 06:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveNash View Post
    He should drop out of the top 10 when his career is done. That's the problem with comparing active players to players whose careers are already done.

    Besides that, who else in the top scorers list have shot as poorly has AI has?

    Elgin Baylor. Top 5 all-time in PPG averages 43%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pippsux View Post
    He has heart and in my opinion, the greatest little man of all time.....but, his style of play is not a winning style. Going 1 and 5 never got it done and the one coach who got the best out of him and had the right players around him, Larry Brown, he was always battling with him.

    He is a great player, HOF, but not a winner.
    I agree. Iverson's game is really hard to build around. He needs to dominate the ball to be effective. The 01 Philly cast complimented his game in the best way possible. Great defensive players who didn't need the ball and could spot up and hit the J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveNash View Post
    He should drop out of the top 10 when his career is done. That's the problem with comparing active players to players whose careers are already done.

    Besides that, who else in the top scorers list have shot as poorly has AI has?
    A.I's career shooting % is only 1.5 percent lower than Kobe Bryants.

    Hes a scorer, he HAS to shoot alot.

    do some research before u post dumb comments

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