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    Poll: I know you mean well and aren't being...

    I know you mean well and aren't being disingenuous in your arguments, which I really appreciate. You should hop on the PSD Discord to talk hoops man. We got a good thing going in there.
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    Poll: Also if we really wanted to engage with a PER and...

    Also if we really wanted to engage with a PER and Win Shares approach only, Moses's peak single season PER is 113th, and his single season Win Shares peak is 97th.....so uhhhhh......
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    Poll: YESSSSS. W O K E. Nate was such a per minute...

    YESSSSS. W O K E. Nate was such a per minute beast lol
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    Poll: Lmao yes it is. If anything, literally the...

    Lmao yes it is. If anything, literally the opposite is true. If two players have the exact same production, but one player does so on less minutes, then he's literally more productive per possession...
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    Poll: What's wrong with that? If we are talking about...

    What's wrong with that? If we are talking about a good player on a winning team who is contributing points/rebounds/assists/etc. then aren't the more minutes played the more valuable they are? Why...
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    Poll: Alright so cumulative stats like win shares and...

    Alright so cumulative stats like win shares and VORP are essentially a minutes played award. They have no methodology to actually pin point a player's direct impact on the court, isolated from...
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    Poll: I mean i'm also not a fan of the framing of the...

    I mean i'm also not a fan of the framing of the question itself. 1 game? In what era? With what teammates? Against what opponent? If we don't have these answers then we should immediately look at the...
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    Poll: Also here's the scaled APM data that integrates...

    Also here's the scaled APM data that integrates Harvey Pollack's data for 70s and 80s Sixers players:
    ...
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    Poll: 1. Lol no, win shares and any accumulative stat...

    1. Lol no, win shares and any accumulative stat (e.g. VORP) where it's literally impossible to have a negative number is garbage. There are much, much better metrics to reference, however, they're...
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    Poll: The Moses conundrum is essentially - Received...

    The Moses conundrum is essentially

    - Received MVPs he didnt deserve/Weak MVPs
    - People afterwards realize he's overrated and then don't talk about him much
    Next Generation:
    - This guy has MVPs...
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    Poll: 1. Bobby Jones is an all time great defender...

    1. Bobby Jones is an all time great defender period. Play by play data only goes back to '97, however Harvey Pollack manually tracked play by play data for the Sixers are far back as the 70s and...
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    Poll: Because he's not a peak guy. This is just a...

    Because he's not a peak guy. This is just a fundamental misunderstanding of his career. Sure, he had the herculean task of winning a title with 4 other all stars on his team. His all defense is also...
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    Except CP3 has consistently been great throughout...

    Except CP3 has consistently been great throughout his playoff career. KD out here averaging 31% from 3 in the postseason pre-Golden State
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    Poll: lmao who the **** voted Moses tenth. This list is...

    lmao who the **** voted Moses tenth. This list is mostly really, really bad. Gonna have to sit this out.
  15. If you haven't already, I recommend reading...

    If you haven't already, I recommend reading through Ben Taylor's work on the value of longevity.

    https://backpicks.com/2018/04/13/goat-meta-thoughts-and-longevity/

    I mostly lean towards peaks...
  16. These lists are mostly bait. Super ambiguous...

    These lists are mostly bait. Super ambiguous criteria, no mention of their methodology, and a ton of inconsistency in the things they value. The fact that their pretext is 100 or so words before...
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    Stockton is probably the most misunderstood...

    Stockton is probably the most misunderstood player of his generation. He's the king of longevity no doubt. No one will ever touch the volume of assists he got. But the thing with Stockton is that the...
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    I guess it depends on what your criteria is. If...

    I guess it depends on what your criteria is. If you're a fan of innovation and accolades then sure, most of those dudes belong. But in terms of on the court impact, who I'd want to give me the best...
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    Nash is twice the playmaker Stockton was. They're...

    Nash is twice the playmaker Stockton was. They're really not that similar.
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    lol Cousy, Maravich, Mikan, Williams should NOT...

    lol Cousy, Maravich, Mikan, Williams should NOT be on the list
  21. Scranton/Wilkes-Barre RailRiders

    Scranton/Wilkes-Barre RailRiders
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    Poll: Brewerboy your sig is so weird

    Brewerboy your sig is so weird
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    Poll: peak for peak it's kind of close? Rodman is weird...

    peak for peak it's kind of close? Rodman is weird because his "offense" kind of scales through his absurd offensive rebounding. Ben an obvious L on offense. But defensively their peaks weren't super...
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    idc. those lists are ****. MJ LeBron Kareem...

    idc. those lists are ****.

    MJ
    LeBron
    Kareem
    Russell
    Shaq
    Hakeem
    Duncan
    Magic
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    lol Kobe is like, 15th all time.

    lol Kobe is like, 15th all time.
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