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  1. Poll: I think we need a pg who is pass first and who...

    I think we need a pg who is pass first and who can be a floor general, especially when LBJ is not on there. The issue is that there really aren't too many of those in the league anymore. Outside of...
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    Anyhow, despite my best efforts, this has...

    Anyhow, despite my best efforts, this has unfortunately devolved into discussing Kobe (again), which apparently seems to follow me anywhere I go on this site, even when discussing seemingly unrelated...
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    My man, we've had this discussion. You're...

    My man, we've had this discussion. You're basically challenging my position again. I'm not trying to have the discussion again because we've already had it. I wasn't stating what I stated so that we...
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    I've noted that Kobe and Shaq both warped the...

    I've noted that Kobe and Shaq both warped the floor tremendously (kobe more than anyone in the league outside of shaq during this time, imo). You've disagreed with this (again I don't know why you...
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    Not exactly because there are things that our...

    Not exactly because there are things that our intuitions are not as accurate about. Things like medicine and things we have to discover through careful study are one of them. That's why science is so...
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    As for people questioning whether Kobe could win...

    As for people questioning whether Kobe could win without Shaq, that's a natural thing to question and also a headline that is going to generate discussion. Up until Shaq finally won in 2000, there...
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    That last part is where I think you are wrong...

    That last part is where I think you are wrong (although it is a funny analogy). The thing is the brain is highly sensitive at picking up on things that explicit analyses miss because we often don't...
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    In regards to Kobe, I saw a big difference...

    In regards to Kobe, I saw a big difference between 00 kobe and shaq, but think that most of that difference disappeared after that. I basically I viewed Kobe from 01 and on as being in the top 10 all...
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    :laugh::laugh::laugh:

    :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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    I have extensive training in statistical analyses...

    I have extensive training in statistical analyses and measurement and assessment (Ph.D. across multiple science disciplines) and have taught graduate level courses on these topics to Ph.D. students....
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    And I trust my expertise (which I do have on this...

    And I trust my expertise (which I do have on this matter) and the issues ive raised against analytics so therein lies where we disagree on how we evaluate players. But anytime you want to put my eyes...
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    Yeah man, so we're not going to agree because...

    Yeah man, so we're not going to agree because again I see young kobe as already being one of those top guys and you don't. Comparing Ewing's 90-95 seasons to any of Pippen's top seasons frankly don't...
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    This is where it gets difficult to have further...

    This is where it gets difficult to have further discussion because I mostly do not agree that current impact measures fully capture what I care about, which is the extent to which a superstar player...
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    See, I don't consider Pippen a top guy so I don't...

    See, I don't consider Pippen a top guy so I don't factor him into that conversation of guys who were close. I think the top guys are a level or two above your average superstar and I think Pippen is...
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    I don't entirely disagree with you, but its oddly...

    I don't entirely disagree with you, but its oddly similar to the discussion we had about Kyrie (me saying it was premature to say he has to be a #2). In the end, I don't think Pippen was a superstar...
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    Well it is subjective, I agree with that. All of...

    Well it is subjective, I agree with that. All of this is subjective though. I really don't think 94 Pippen was that close to prime Ewing or Drexler. Like I said before, if we pick Pippen's best years...
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    I think after 92 Drexler was not widely...

    I think after 92 Drexler was not widely considered a superstar. Prior to that I think he was or at least in 92 he was, as he was compared to MJ by some. I think the amount of time that Drexler was...
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    It's not that at all man. I basically define a...

    It's not that at all man. I basically define a superstar as a player who is highly potent offensively and can warp the floor in a way that other teams have to double and triple team them and their...
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    I think it's fine when there are multiple super...

    I think it's fine when there are multiple super teams and those teams play each other. That's actually great when that happens. The issue is when there is only one super team, then I think it's bad...
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    We've had this discussion man and we disagree...

    We've had this discussion man and we disagree lol. There really is no need to rehash it. We would literally be saying the same things that we spent a good chunk of time already saying. I know your...
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    But my position is not that Pippen is not a...

    But my position is not that Pippen is not a superstar because he was passed over sometimes, but more that it doesn't seem like he was widely considered a superstar because he was widely passed over...
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    Well you're responding to me and you're also...

    Well you're responding to me and you're also saying that my posts arent in good faith. It's not really much of a leap there to say you're not responding in good faith based on what you've already...
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    I was getting to this, but there's a lot of you...

    I was getting to this, but there's a lot of you to respond to (you guys also like to team up on dissenting opinions), but I'm getting to this. You're making a bit of a jump here. Yes, I am arguing...
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    Not at all man. Like I said, it's pretty clear in...

    Not at all man. Like I said, it's pretty clear in the post that you cited and in the direct follow up post and in a post I made several days ago. Why would I say that he belongs in the discussion for...
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    I said he had an excellent coach. He did, Phil...

    I said he had an excellent coach. He did, Phil was not a great Xs and Os coach, but he was still a great overall coach.
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