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    He was in the discussion for top 5. I don't...

    He was in the discussion for top 5. I don't remember at this point whether he was or he wasn't (it was 8 years ago lol) so I don't know if he was top 5 (he might've been though)...however, the wolves...
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    Well I'm not sure Kyrie or Love were ever top 5...

    Well I'm not sure Kyrie or Love were ever top 5 players. AD was but he led his team to the playoffs on multiple occasions.
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    Dude, the idea is not that complex and no, you...

    Dude, the idea is not that complex and no, you are misrepresenting and/or misunderstanding. For players who have comparable seasons, the one on the better team is going to have had the better year....
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    That's what this whole thread was about. When two...

    That's what this whole thread was about. When two players are close, the one on the better team is going to get the nod...and yes, I actually would say Butler is better than DeRozan. If I have a pick...
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    How players are assessed and how they are...

    How players are assessed and how they are celebrated for their accomplishments are two different things. Putting up great numbers clearly indicates that you can play at a high level...literally not a...
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    On years in which he was on a horrible team, yes...

    On years in which he was on a horrible team, yes to a large extent they were not very meaningful. If you're putting up great numbers on a horrible team, it's not really worth that much. Doesn't...
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    Yeah those are completely different things....

    Yeah those are completely different things. Saying that a player on a really bad team shouldn't be lauded too much for putting up big numbers is completely different than saying that anything they...
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    Good thing no one is making that argument

    Good thing no one is making that argument
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    When did I say anything like that? I never once...

    When did I say anything like that? I never once said that you have to win a title for your numbers to be meaningful, but you at least have to be on a respectable team for them to carry some weight....
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    Sticky: Had a bit of a rough stretch there, but nice to...

    Had a bit of a rough stretch there, but nice to get the come-from-behind win last night.
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    They were both on contenders without Phil and...

    They were both on contenders without Phil and were usually competitive even when they weren't on contenders. MJ never missed the playoffs while in Chicago and Kobe only missed them in 05 (the only...
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    MJ was elite before Phil was ever his coach and...

    MJ was elite before Phil was ever his coach and Kobe remained elite after Phil left and up until he tore his Achilles (you don't make multiple all-NBA first teams when you're abysmal).
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    The "key" is to have either MJ or Kobe and have...

    The "key" is to have either MJ or Kobe and have them carry you lol
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    That's a great argument as to why we shouldn't be...

    That's a great argument as to why we shouldn't be talking about either LBJ or KD lol
  15. There is something to be said for volume stats,...

    There is something to be said for volume stats, because simply because one guy can do something at a given rate, that doesn't mean it would scale linearly. For example, a guy who shoots 50% on 14...
  16. I don't think this is a good argument because...

    I don't think this is a good argument because there are simply more all-star caliber players in the league now than there were when Pippen was in the league. Pippen also benefitted from playing...
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    We do agree that injuries were by far the biggest...

    We do agree that injuries were by far the biggest issue. I would look to move AD if the right deal comes about and a team would be willing to take back Westbrook.
  18. Yep, I consider both of them kind of borderline...

    Yep, I consider both of them kind of borderline guys in that in-between space of being all-stars and maybe borderline superstars, but not really quite there. Agree about the clutch component and that...
  19. Yeah, I agree that they are comparable.

    Yeah, I agree that they are comparable.
  20. I'd much rather have Butler. I think Pippen has...

    I'd much rather have Butler. I think Pippen has become hugely overrated, but was viewed accordingly while he played. I think Butler might be slightly underrated. Offensively, I think Butler is a...
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    It's not that they couldn't be better leaders,...

    It's not that they couldn't be better leaders, it's that they weren't. We've discussed what their issues were and those in my view are disqualifying from being considered great leaders. First and...
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    Most think MJ is the GOAT. It's pretty clear that...

    Most think MJ is the GOAT. It's pretty clear that he is dude. Wilt is really the only guy who I think a good case can be made for, but that part is debatable.
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    Except hardly anyone agrees with you. Shaq was a...

    Except hardly anyone agrees with you. Shaq was a poor leader. I would say worst than Kobe or MJ or LBJ. Yet, he led the lakers to one of only five 3-peats in NBA history and the last one in over 20...
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    I definitely haven't critiqued him taking plays...

    I definitely haven't critiqued him taking plays off. That wasn't what I was referring to when I said the team played with no effort. I didn't say LBJ played with no effort. You're literally the only...
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    There isn't anything to it at all. He has short...

    There isn't anything to it at all. He has short comings just like every single player. I point those out when guys are going overboard about praising him. Don't go overboard in praising LBJ and I...
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