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    Sticky: His form looks a little better there. Kuzma can...

    His form looks a little better there. Kuzma can be the x-factor if he can be consistent.
  2. Yep, spot on here. It's simply easier to point to...

    Yep, spot on here. It's simply easier to point to a number and say that those numbers support your position than to get into the skill of the players and discuss how said skills impact the game, etc.
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    Kobe and Shaq had issues, but it wasnt really...

    Kobe and Shaq had issues, but it wasnt really because of the ego. Shaq kind of didnt like being challenged and kobe was never going to take a back seat to him. I don't necessarily mean on the court,...
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    Sticky: I'm curious to see how they respond if someone in...

    I'm curious to see how they respond if someone in the bubble tests positive for the virus. Hopefully this is something that doesnt happen, but im just interested to see what their protocols will be
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    Yeah, that would've been crazy to see. Absolutely...

    Yeah, that would've been crazy to see. Absolutely they would've played amazingly well together.
  6. Doesnt matter dude, the numbers are just numbers....

    Doesnt matter dude, the numbers are just numbers. They don't say anything other than repressing numerical entities. You're drawing conclusions from those numbers. Whether those conclusions follow is...
  7. You're missing a critical point...im pointing out...

    You're missing a critical point...im pointing out that your interpretations from those numbers are unwarranted.
  8. Yes, the numbers are facts...what are not facts...

    Yes, the numbers are facts...what are not facts is how you're interpreting those numbers Those are opinions and very shaky ones at that, which do not correspond with what those numbers are measuring.
  9. No, those arent his movements dude. They're his...

    No, those arent his movements dude. They're his skills. That's maybe what you don't quite realize and how that impacts the game. A guy who has a million ways to beat you is typically going to be a...
  10. Yep, I definitely agree with the last sentence...

    Yep, I definitely agree with the last sentence here. I get the sense that a lot of posters on here want to use numbers as a work around actually assessing players and their skillsets. When a lot of...
  11. Yes, but you're not drawing a conclusion about...

    Yes, but you're not drawing a conclusion about their tendencies, you're drawing conclusions about their impact on the game and that's not directly observable simply by their stats. I have no issues...
  12. No, not necessarily (I agree), but what I am...

    No, not necessarily (I agree), but what I am saying is that the difference is not necessarily what the numbers presently indicate. Do I think Nash was a better playmaker and passer than Curry? Yeah,...
  13. I agree that he was in the conversation for sure....

    I agree that he was in the conversation for sure. I think he was probably in the top 3 for about 2 years or so (maybe a little longer), but I dont think Wade was ever #1.
  14. In an earlier post? I've kept an entire thread...

    In an earlier post? I've kept an entire thread going for almost a year now arguing that lol. I'm not the only one who has that position either, but that is a topic for a different thread. I do...
  15. There are metrics that purport to measure that,...

    There are metrics that purport to measure that, but I don't think they do a good job of that. At the core of this disagreement is that some of guys believe that the numbers are useful for drawing...
  16. Well we disagree about that lol

    Well we disagree about that lol
  17. I agree about the numbers not clearly showing...

    I agree about the numbers not clearly showing kobe was the best in any given year, I think where we disagree is that I dont think these numbers allow us to distinguish which great players had a...
  18. You're right about the human mind, but it is...

    You're right about the human mind, but it is actually incredibly adept at making highly accurate intuitive judgements and those intuitions usually beat out these models in terms of making accurate...
  19. Nah, I completely disagree with this (not...

    Nah, I completely disagree with this (not entirely about A.I.), with the part about isolating a player's impact. The present metrics don't provide any real measure of warping the floor, which at...
  20. Yeah, we definitely do not know that he was not...

    Yeah, we definitely do not know that he was not the most clutch. You might agree with that position, but I certainly don't. Saying "we saw it" doesnt really hold here, because your position here is...
  21. In my book, kobe was the best from 03-10. I think...

    In my book, kobe was the best from 03-10. I think he was recognized as the best player in the game from around 06-10, with the 08-09 being were most gave it to kobe. Were there years that other guys...
  22. No, it has nothing to do with how it looked. It...

    No, it has nothing to do with how it looked. It has everything to do with actually assessing the players and their skillsets and abilities. Looking at the numbers you guys are looking at isnt going...
  23. Well A.I. would belong in the conversation based...

    Well A.I. would belong in the conversation based on the raw numbers. I agree that the advanced metrics suggest that he doesnt, but not everyone agrees that those are better than the raw metrics, I...
  24. Well if we look at their top scoring seasons,...

    Well if we look at their top scoring seasons, kobe wins out every time. Sure kobe shot more, but the difference is about one more shot and youre assuming that shooting it more would transform...
  25. I said that a case could be made for A.I. Not...

    I said that a case could be made for A.I. Not that I would take him. In 06, he put up 33pts a game to go with about 7.5 ast and something like 2 stls and 3 reb. I wouldnt put him in that...
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