September 2021 Game Thread

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Originally Posted by Big Moves03

Yeah, these are great points. I think regardless of where one stands on this issue, the one thing that is clear is that we have historically great pitching that very few teams throughout history can compare to, especially when adjusting for relative performance compared to the rest of the league.

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I had to make some edits after revisiting the 1985 numbers, but the point is still the same. From Ace to Closer and everything in between, the 2021 pitching staff as a whole has performed much better compared to their peers.

What a ****** way for Clayton to go out. Hope he’s ok.

I just logged on. What happened?

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Originally Posted by Big Moves03

Maybe, I honestly wasn't old enough to assess the quality of those starters. I started following the dodgers as a kid in the late 80s (in 85 I was way too young to know much about baseball). To have three legitimate CY Young candidates is crazy, reminds me of the braves in the 90s with Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz, but we also have Kershaw and May (when at full strength), not to mention Gonsolin who is really good when healthy. If not for bad luck, we could've legitimately had a 7-man rotation if we wanted to (and from 4-7, those guys are easy #3s if not #2s on most teams)

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Originally Posted by GibbyIsMyHero

I was too young too (didn’t turn 4 until that Nov). When you look at the names and numbers, they were very impressive.

Remember though, offense in the ‘80s was not what it is now. As dominant as the traditional numbers for those starters are, the rest of the league performed much better too.

Orel had an amazing year with a 171 AdjERA+, Welch to with 150 Fernando with a 141.

The 2021 Dodgers have given significant starts to 7 pitchers, though I won’t list Bauer because he likely turns out to be merely a blip in our history.

Buehler; 164, 6.5 WAR
Scherzer; 165, 5.2
Urias; 134, 4.4
Kershaw; 121, 2.6, (21 starts)
Gonsolin; 127, 1.2 (13 starts)
May; 151, 0.5 (5 starts)

1 through 3 is comparable, but 1 through 5, this rotation is better than the ‘85 Dodgers relative to the rest of the league.

But then you also have to consider their respective pens, and it’s not remotely close.

1985 2021
Staff WAR. 17.3 28.8
ERA+ 115. 136

Does that mean the 2021 staff has more talented pitchers? Of course not conclusively. What it does mean is, relative to the rest of the league in their respective seasons, the 2021 staff has been performed better. They also happen to be the best in baseball

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Well, I was two in 1985, five in 1988, and didn't start watching baseball until 1991.

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Originally Posted by dodgerdave

I just logged on. What happened?

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Was getting ripped in the 2nd and exited with Doc and the team trainer

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Originally Posted by GibbyIsMyHero

Was getting ripped in the 2nd and exited with Doc and the team trainer

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Yeah, hopefully he's okay

Elite left-handed pitching seems to be this team's kryptonite (Snell, Lauer, etc.).

LOL. I always jinx this team in a positive way.

T. Turner coming through there. Some bad luck in that inning for us. Taylor and J. Turner both hit balls right on the nose and Seager just missed his pop up, very easily could've turned into an even bigger inning

I keep saying it, but no lead is safe against us. Our guys just grind out at bats and find ways to get on base and we literally have all-star caliber players 1-8 and a few off the bench and just about everyone can hit for power.

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Originally Posted by dodgerdave

LOL. I always jinx this team in a positive way.

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You just jumped the gun too soon lol...now we have to finish this off and get the W

Offense is getting hot just in time. Bring on the Cards. I will take our offense and Max over Cards any day or time of the week. Wainwright will not dominate us again.

The reigning, defending champs look ready to defend their title

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Originally Posted by lamar2006

Offense is getting hot just in time. Bring on the Cards. I will take our offense and Max over Cards any day or time of the week. Wainwright will not dominate us again.

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Bro, you recently just posted that you felt we were going to lose in the WC game to the mighty, unstoppable Cards lol. I don't want to give you a hard time for rooting for the boys in blue, but cmon man dont be so reactionary. This is the same team we've been rooting for all season. We're the defending champs for a reason. I've been saying it all season, bring on whoever wants to take their shot. We have a great team my man, there's never been a reason to fear any team.
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Another nice win! 104! Two away from breaking our all-time wins record