September 2021 Game Thread

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Originally Posted by GibbyIsMyHero

Yeah man. Facts.

Or a bunch of unsubstantial gobbledegook?

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No point in arguing with you. I already said you are like Trump supporters. They are given facts and they just ignore them or create their own facts since they live in fantasy land.

But I will post this for the lulz. Since whatever I post you will just turn in into whatever you want it to be instead.

July 22. Johnny Cueto 5.2 innings 0 runs against the Dodgers. Well not exactly 6 innings but close enough.


Sep 22 Dodgers 5 Rockies 10
Sep 25. Dodgers 2 Dbacks 7

But yeah. Keep living in LALA land. Must be nice to live in a place like that where you see the world how you want it to be not how it really is.

The wild card is a near certainty at this point. Nothing we didn’t do. It’s more so what the Giants keep doing and that is pulling rabbits out of their ***.


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Originally Posted by KobeOwnSU

The wild card is a near certainty at this point. Nothing we didn’t do. It’s more so what the Giants keep doing and that is pulling rabbits out of their ***.


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Here's what happened:

1. All of those extra-inning losses (stupid baserunner rule got to their heads).
2. That 5-15 stretch over 20 games during late-April and early-May.
3. Losing the final three series against the Giants.

The only chance we have is if we win 2 of 3 from the Brewers while the Padres win two of three from the Giants.

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Originally Posted by lamar2006

No point in arguing with you. I already said you are like Trump supporters. They are given facts and they just ignore them or create their own facts since they live in fantasy land.

But I will post this for the lulz. Since whatever I post you will just turn in into whatever you want it to be instead.

July 22. Johnny Cueto 5.2 innings 0 runs against the Dodgers. Well not exactly 6 innings but close enough.


Sep 22 Dodgers 5 Rockies 10
Sep 25. Dodgers 2 Dbacks 7

But yeah. Keep living in LALA land. Must be nice to live in a place like that where you see the world how you want it to be not how it really is.

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Yeah, so, basically, you can lose by scoring 5 runs, or you can lose by scoring 2 runs…

Or you can win by scoring 5 runs, or you can win by scoring 2 runs.

Sure, it’s a fact that those things happened - but those “facts” are meaningless.

And the idea that you keep trying to pair me with Trump’s supporters while using weak logic and emotional arguments to make whatever irrational points your trying to make is equal parts ironic and priceless.

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Originally Posted by dodgerdave

We had a .717 winning percentage last year, which translates to 116 wins over a 162 game season. We were an all-time great team, up there with the 1927 Yankees and others.

The run differential is largely a product of the blowout games from earlier in the season. When you win games by scores of 22-1, 16-4, and 13-0, then that's really going to balloon the run differential. But we've been winning much tighter ballgames since the middle of August.

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Right. Which, extrapolated to a 162 game season, would give the Dodgers 6 total 100 win seasons in the 63 years since coming to LA, with Friedman having 4 of them in only 7 seasons.

Do you honestly think this roster, as currently constructed, is worse than last years?

Starting rotation - 2021
Bullpen - 2021
Lineup - (despite Belli’s down year, we also have Trea - 2021)

The only thing I’ll give the 2020 team might be the defense.

Again - this team has been unhealthy and they seem to be squaring up in that regard at the right time.

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Originally Posted by GibbyIsMyHero

Right. Which, extrapolated to a 162 game season, would give the Dodgers 6 total 100 win seasons in the 63 years since coming to LA, with Friedman having 4 of them in only 7 seasons.

Do you honestly think this roster, as currently constructed, is worse than last years?

Starting rotation - 2021
Bullpen - 2021
Lineup - (despite Belli’s down year, we also have Trea - 2021)

The only thing I’ll give the 2020 team might be the defense.

Again - this team has been unhealthy and they seem to be squaring up in that regard at the right time.

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To begin with, we don't have Dustin May right now, so it was a luxury to have Urias coming out of the pen in the postseason.

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Originally Posted by dodgerdave

To begin with, we don't have Dustin May right now, so it was a luxury to have Urias coming out of the pen in the postseason.

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We’ll, as true as that may be - we didn’t use Dustin May as a true starter in the playoffs. We also didn’t have Scherzer last year, and Buehler has been the best version of himself we’ve seen.

Is it even debatable that this team has the best pitching staff in baseball this year?

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Originally Posted by GibbyIsMyHero

We’ll, as true as that may be - we didn’t use Dustin May as a true starter in the playoffs. We also didn’t have Scherzer last year, and Buehler has been the best version of himself we’ve seen.

Is it even debatable that this team has the best pitching staff in baseball this year?

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Yeah, I think this is the best pitching staff we've had, at least in my lifetime. We have three legitimate aces and then Kershaw as a #4.

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Originally Posted by lamar2006

what did I say is worthy of facepalm? You and BigMoves are just haters. Oh, wait let me guess. You thinking scoring 2-3 runs is a sign of an elite offense, so by me saying offense is waking up is stupid because they were already on fire when they were scoring 2-3 runs. Or do you not agree that we can beat any team if offense decides to show up? Or has Cueto not shut us out for 6+ innings this year already? Or did we not lose to the Dbacks and Rockies recently? Only facepalm should be on yourself if you are debating THESE FACTS!

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Not sure how you can call us haters, when about 95% of your posts are you hating on a historically great dodger team and then you cite these random blips to support these outlandish positions, like us losing to the d-backs and the rockies. The giants also lost to those teams, everyone loses to everyone they play over the course of a 162 game season. We've been amazing all year and especially since after the all-star break. You can take the greatest team of all time and put them up against the d-backs and rockies, where they play each other over and over again and I guarantee you that you will have a few games where they will beat the GOAT team ever. Not really sure why it's relevant to cite those random events as if they somehow mean something.

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Originally Posted by Big Moves03

Yeah, I think this is the best pitching staff we've had, at least in my lifetime. We have three legitimate aces and then Kershaw as a #4.

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The 1985 quartet of Valenzuela, Hershiser, Welch, and Reuss. 808 combined career wins.

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Originally Posted by Big Moves03

Not sure how you can call us haters, when about 95% of your posts are you hating on a historically great dodger team and then you cite these random blips to support these outlandish positions, like us losing to the d-backs and the rockies. The giants also lost to those teams, everyone loses to everyone they play over the course of a 162 game season. We've been amazing all year and especially since after the all-star break. You can take the greatest team of all time and put them up against the d-backs and rockies, where they play each other over and over again and I guarantee you that you will have a few games where they will beat the GOAT team ever. Not really sure why it's relevant to cite those random events as if they somehow mean something.

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Exactly my point and part of why he got the facepalm. But he also got the facepalm because he’s hedging and backpedaling.

His argument could essentially be rephrased into this…

Backpedaling; “I know I’ve spent 97% of the year dumping on this offense, but I’m not going to say I was wrong.”

Hedging his backpedal to preserve his inevitable future complaints; “However, they can’t win games if they don’t score runs” (yeah, duh)

Irrational; “You think 2-3 runs is an elite offense?”

Emotional (and ironic); “You’re like a Trump supporter ignoring facts” while he’s ignoring TONS of facts and the whole picture to focus on specific low points in the season.

Essentially, we lead the NL in runs, we lead in runs differential, but if you focus on a game where we got shutout, we suck.

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Originally Posted by GibbyIsMyHero

Exactly my point and part of why he got the facepalm. But he also got the facepalm because he’s hedging and backpedaling.

His argument could essentially be rephrased into this…

Backpedaling; “I know I’ve spent 97% of the year dumping on this offense, but I’m not going to say I was wrong.”

Hedging his backpedal to preserve his inevitable future complaints; “However, they can’t win games if they don’t score runs” (yeah, duh)

Irrational; “You think 2-3 runs is an elite offense?”

Emotional (and ironic); “You’re like a Trump supporter ignoring facts” while he’s ignoring TONS of facts and the whole picture to focus on specific low points in the season.

Essentially, we lead the NL in runs, we lead in runs differential, but if you focus on a game where we got shutout, we suck.

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Originally Posted by dodgerdave

The 1985 quartet of Valenzuela, Hershiser, Welch, and Reuss. 808 combined career wins.

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Maybe, I honestly wasn't old enough to assess the quality of those starters. I started following the dodgers as a kid in the late 80s (in 85 I was way too young to know much about baseball). To have three legitimate CY Young candidates is crazy, reminds me of the braves in the 90s with Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz, but we also have Kershaw and May (when at full strength), not to mention Gonsolin who is really good when healthy. If not for bad luck, we could've legitimately had a 7-man rotation if we wanted to (and from 4-7, those guys are easy #3s if not #2s on most teams)

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Originally Posted by dodgerdave

The 1985 quartet of Valenzuela, Hershiser, Welch, and Reuss. 808 combined career wins.

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Originally Posted by Big Moves03

Maybe, I honestly wasn't old enough to assess the quality of those starters. I started following the dodgers as a kid in the late 80s (in 85 I was way too young to know much about baseball). To have three legitimate CY Young candidates is crazy, reminds me of the braves in the 90s with Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz, but we also have Kershaw and May (when at full strength), not to mention Gonsolin who is really good when healthy. If not for bad luck, we could've legitimately had a 7-man rotation if we wanted to (and from 4-7, those guys are easy #3s if not #2s on most teams)

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I was too young too (didn’t turn 4 until that Nov). When you look at the names and numbers, they were very impressive.

Remember though, offense in the ‘80s was not what it is now. As dominant as the traditional numbers for those starters are, the rest of the league performed much better too.

Orel had an amazing year with a 171 AdjERA+, Welch to with 150 Fernando with a 141.

The 2021 Dodgers have given significant starts to 7 pitchers, though I won’t list Bauer because he likely turns out to be merely a blip in our history.

Buehler; 164, 6.5 WAR
Scherzer; 165, 5.2
Urias; 134, 4.4
Kershaw; 121, 2.6, (21 starts)
Gonsolin; 127, 1.2 (13 starts)
May; 151, 0.5 (5 starts)

1 through 3 is comparable, but 1 through 5, this rotation is better than the ‘85 Dodgers relative to the rest of the league.

But then you also have to consider their respective pens, and it’s not remotely close.

1985 2021
Staff WAR. 17.3 28.8
ERA+ 115. 136

Does that mean the 2021 staff has more talented pitchers? Of course not conclusively. What it does mean is, relative to the rest of the league in their respective seasons, the 2021 staff has been performed better. They also happen to be the best in baseball

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Originally Posted by GibbyIsMyHero

I was too young too (didn’t turn 4 until that Nov). When you look at the names and numbers, they were very impressive.

Remember though, offense in the ‘80s was not what it is now. As dominant as the traditional numbers for those starters are, the rest of the league performed much better too.

Orel had an amazing year with a 171 AdjERA+, Fernando too with a 150.

The 2021 Dodgers have given significant starts to 7 pitchers, though I won’t list Bauer because he likely turns out to be merely a blip in our history.

Buehler; 164, 6.5 WAR
Scherzer; 165, 5.2
Urias; 134, 4.4
Kershaw; 121, 2.6, (21 starts)
Gonsolin; 127, 1.2 (13 starts)
May; 151, 0.5 (5 starts)

1 through 3 and 1 through 5, this rotation is better than the ‘85 Dodgers relative to the rest of the league.

But then you also have to consider their respective pens, and it’s not remotely close.

1985 2021
Staff WAR. 17.3 28.8
ERA+ 115. 136

Does that mean the 2021 staff has more talented pitchers? Of course not conclusively. What it does mean is, relative to the rest of the league in their respective seasons, the 2021 staff has been performed better. They also happen to be the best in baseball

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Yeah, these are great points. I think regardless of where one stands on this issue, the one thing that is clear is that we have historically great pitching that very few teams throughout history can compare to, especially when adjusting for relative performance compared to the rest of the league.