NBA Playoffs Series Thread (1) Sixers vs (5) Hawks Atlanta wins 4-3

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06-17-2021, 09:37 AM
smith&wesson

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Originally Posted by warfelg

Because a team can only make 1 trade an offseason....

Anyways, there's a reason it works to me:

There would be more than just CJ going to Philadelphia. So Minny sends Rubio to Philly. They start Russell, Edwards, and Culver; bring Edwards off the bench. Play Simmons at his true position of Point Forward. They can make a move for a floor spacing center or just play slightly smaller with a PF out there with them.

Also he won't get traded because of most value other than Embiid, he'll get traded because he's the one of the 3 who's moving best benefits the franchise.

When did I say anything about other trades? You made a trade suggestion that was basically Minni giving up Towns for Simmons and that’s not realistic because the Twolves would have a hole at the 4&5 and why would they want to bring Edwards off the bench?

I mean Bens performance in the playoffs is not raising his value any. It’s not like GMs have blind folds on. He has value yes, but Minni would trade guys like Beasly before they ever move Towns. That’s just the reality of it.
06-17-2021, 09:41 AM
smith&wesson

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Originally Posted by More-Than-Most

cj for ben is actually a good deal and could easily happen. I think people are forgetting CJ is gonna be 30 by the start of next season where ben is 24... honestly we could get CJ plus picks

We will def get more than we deserve for ben because for some reason the NBA is super high on him

This is a more realistic expectation. I think CJ would fit beautifully with the 6ers core.
06-17-2021, 09:42 AM
warfelg

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Originally Posted by smith&wesson

When did I say anything about other trades? You made a trade suggestion that was basically Minni giving up Towns for Simmons and that’s not realistic because the Twolves would have a hole at the 4&5 and why would they want to bring Edwards off the bench?

I mean Bens performance in the playoffs is not raising his value any. It’s not like GMs have blind folds on. He has value yes, but Minni would trade guys like Beasly before they ever move Towns. That’s just the reality of it.

TWolves wouldn't have a hole at the 4, I said they could play him there. I mean it's not like they are trading for a 6'4" guy. Ben's 6'10".

I'll try to find the article when I have time, but there was a GM quoted as saying the biggest 2 issues he has with what fans do is react too much to the short term and play with trade machines too much.
06-17-2021, 09:44 AM
smith&wesson

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Originally Posted by warfelg

Also you cried when I first suggested trading Ben after our first ever playoffs so **** off with your 'I know better attitude'.

I think this was inevitable with Simmons… Morey will flip him in to better fitting pieces around Embiid..Morey is the man for the job. If I were you I’d be excited about the possibilities.
06-17-2021, 09:45 AM
NBA all the way

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Originally Posted by Lil Rhody

So does Tre Young have more post season career points than Ben Simmons yet?

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Not yet, he's like 160 points off.
06-17-2021, 09:47 AM
NBA all the way

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Originally Posted by warfelg

I personally didn't.

But do this:
Look up what teams get for -
3x all-stars
2x all-defensive
1x all-NBA
Former ROY
Steals leader

Yes Ben Simmons has his share of issues, but there's so few things as flawless players. Given Ben himself has admitted that the FT struggles are more mental than physical, there's going to be teams that will pay for his talent feeling that getting him into a new city with new surroundings will be part of what kickstarts him.

Moving him to the 5 should help as well.
06-17-2021, 09:50 AM
warfelg

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Originally Posted by smith&wesson

I think this was inevitable with Simmons… Morey will flip him in to better fitting pieces around Embiid..Morey is the man for the job. If I were you I’d be excited about the possibilities.

I know....I've said both for a while now. Simmons moving was going to happen, matter of when than if, and I trust Morey more than anyone to get it right.

I almost feel this year had to happen from Morey's perspective though. He had to be in building seeing how these two worked through stuff. His knowledge of the situation purely was outside looking in, and trades of this magnitude don't happen in season.
06-17-2021, 09:50 AM
goingfor28

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Originally Posted by warfelg

He really hasn’t. In both rounds the lead has evaporated with the bench+Harris lineup, yet he keeps using it. Sticks to the same rotations despite the issues. Stuck with Korkmaz to start despite it not really working.

How about this one:
The three man lineup of Hill-Simmons-Embiid is a +18. They’ve only played 10 minutes together the entire series.

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That's doc for you. His Clippers teams blew two 3-1 leads and he refused to make adjustments.
That whole CP/Blake era was a failure. They absolutely should've made at least one conference finals, and really had the talent to win it all.

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06-17-2021, 09:51 AM
warfelg

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Originally Posted by NBA all the way

Moving him to the 5 should help as well.

Or just the 4 with a small ball 4/5 with him. Issue with playing him at the 5 is he's just an ok weakside/offball rim protector.

Oddly, you know who would be a great duo for him to pair with? Jokic and Murray.
06-17-2021, 09:53 AM
LF85

The Sixers should have went all in on Harden before the season.
06-17-2021, 09:54 AM
smith&wesson

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Originally Posted by warfelg

I know....I've said both for a while now. Simmons moving was going to happen, matter of when than if, and I trust Morey more than anyone to get it right.

I almost feel this year had to happen from Morey's perspective though. He had to be in building seeing how these two worked through stuff. His knowledge of the situation purely was outside looking in, and trades of this magnitude don't happen in season.

Yeah for sure. He couldn’t just come in and have a fire sale. He had to give that core a chance while observing their ceiling + what could change. It was an assessment year for him. And it’s not over, I mean the 6ers are still in this thing. I know we’re all talking like it’s over but you never know.
06-17-2021, 09:55 AM
warfelg

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Originally Posted by goingfor28

That's doc for you. His Clippers teams blew two 3-1 leads and he refused to make adjustments.
That whole CP/Blake era was a failure. They absolutely should've made at least one conference finals, and really had the talent to win it all.

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Well if we're learning anything this morning it's that Doc, Harris, the bench....it's not their fault because they all are just dealing with Simmons. Not the fact the bench unit was a negative. Not the fact that Harris was a turnover machine and a black hole of indecision on offense while getting abused by Galo/Collins on defense. Not the fact that Shake/Hill/Dwight can't hit the broad side of a barn. Not the fact that the coach sticks with the same rotations of the same guys at the same times and see the same thing happen twice. Nope. We would be undefeated if we didn't have Ben.
06-17-2021, 09:56 AM
warfelg

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Originally Posted by LF85

The Sixers should have went all in on Harden before the season.

Houston's owner wouldn't have done it even if we gave Ben, Joel, Maxye, Thybulle, and all our picks.
06-17-2021, 09:59 AM
More-Than-Most

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Originally Posted by warfelg

Use him as the roll guy in a horns pick-and-roll in half court offense with the other picker in the horns being a pick and pop guy with the ball handler being more of a combo guard than true PG. Then when it's uptempo the ball can be in Ben's hands.

Again, I've said since we drafted him he's not a PG he's a Point Forward and needs a coach to convince him of that. He's needed someone to basically sit him down and show him this but they don't.

Honestly my biggest issue with Ben offensively isn't the lack of shot, it isn't even the lack of aggression when he has the ball, hell it's not even the bad FT shooting. And before you do your usual crying **** BOTHER TO READ WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY:
The biggest issue I have with Ben on offense is that when he doesn't have the ball he doesn't bother to move. Ever notice how much when I push for Thybulle to play more it's because he actually bothers to move on offense. Ben doesn't move. He brings up the ball, hands it off, then stands there. No baseline cutting, no flashing to the top of the key, no dragging around a curl. None of that. Thybulle gets away with being a "bad" shooter because he moves so much. Aaron Gordon gets away with being a "bad" shooter because he moves so much. Paskal Siakam gets away with being a "bad" shooter because he moves so much. If ben were to move does it solve all the issues? **** no. But on offense he can make defenses have issues by just moving around more because you have to be aware of where he is.

this is the thing you arent getting man.... magic could sit down and tell be he isnt a ****ing pg and he needs to do this and this... ben wouldnt give a ****. He shoots with the wrong hand/takes no advice/worries more about banging celebs and post basketball life over basketball... he is shooting with the wrong hand my dude and you said so yourself... he never wanted to ball at collage and just wanted a pay day and is happy as a fringe all star at best because he is making bank...

THE DUDE AFTER GAME 4 WHEN WE COULD HAVE GONE UP 3-1 WAS GAMING AN HOUR AFTER LOL... Joel was working on his shooting ben was ****ing gaming... hours before game 5 joel was working on his shooting/tobi was working on his game and ben was hitting up girls on instangram.... he is a celebrity pretending to be an athelete bro... i wouldnt be surprised if ben retires before he is 30. He has never listened to any advice or given any ****s about getting better.... HE IS REGRESSING SINCE HIS FIRST SEASON
06-17-2021, 09:59 AM
smith&wesson

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Originally Posted by warfelg

Well if we're learning anything this morning it's that Doc, Harris, the bench....it's not their fault because they all are just dealing with Simmons. Not the fact the bench unit was a negative. Not the fact that Harris was a turnover machine and a black hole of indecision on offense while getting abused by Galo/Collins on defense. Not the fact that Shake/Hill/Dwight can't hit the broad side of a barn. Not the fact that the coach sticks with the same rotations of the same guys at the same times and see the same thing happen twice. Nope. We would be undefeated if we didn't have Ben.

Yeah Doc and Harris have to shoulder some of this too, I agree

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