Other than the Hill-Simmons-Embiid thing I didn't reference +/-. I'm not even going to respond to the rest because it's irrelevant after this ****ing **** of putting ****ing words in my mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by More-Than-Most
Other than the Hill-Simmons-Embiid thing I didn't reference +/-. I'm not even going to respond to the rest because it's irrelevant after this ****ing **** of putting ****ing words in my mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by More-Than-Most
Also you cried when I first suggested trading Ben after our first ever playoffs so **** off with your 'I know better attitude'.Quote:
Originally Posted by More-Than-Most
then stop defending his trash ***.... you say he should be traded but spend the entire seaosn trying to justify his play... NOBODY GIVES A **** ABOUT THE REGULAR SEASON. Most of us knew this **** was gonna happen while you defended this **** player. I fell for it and started to believe it but screamed how ****ing bad he was... you cant fault others for calling you out when you constantly defend a guy that refuses to attack/drive/back down/do anything in the half court and hit over 33 pct from the line in the damn playoffs... that isnt us... its you manQuote:
Originally Posted by warfelg
its 4 years dude... you defending him after 4 ****ing years. I wanted butler over him. Only reason I wanted him here was age. I wanted him gone for harden. i didnt want to give up 4 picks/thyb and maxey but was all for simmons/thyb and picks... there is a line... now because i knew this **** would happen... blazers can take whateve the **** they want except joel.... ben/thyb/maxey/4 firsts multiple 2nds for dame... sigh me up... imagine having a pg that wont shoot and cant shoot 35 pct from the damn ft line in 2021Quote:
Originally Posted by warfelg
Get a ****ing clue man. You clearly don't understand what I do then if you think what I was doing was defending. because half your ****ing posts are the problem. The dude is either great or trash to you. You have no ****ing middle ground. Yet someone who won't take the extreme view of a guy dependent on game to game is the problem? **** man.Quote:
Originally Posted by More-Than-Most
lmfao so all of us in here are now putting words in your ****ing mouth over you just having a hard on for ben and constantly spewing stupid **** but were the problem? I literally said i wanted his *** gone but i wasnt going to give up simmons/maxey/thyb and picks which were firsts... that isnt one way or another. I will cheer for my team and their players but i have been screaming this **** for years brother and now you mad because you look like an *** overrating a dude who literally is the worst ft shooter of all time that is avg under 8 ppg in the playoffs and he isnt even a ****ing center but a goddamn point guard lmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by warfelg
worst ft shooter of all time in the playoffsQuote:
Originally Posted by warfelg
under 9 ppg avg in the playoffs as a pg
just took 4 shots after saying he needs to be more aggressive while watching joel/tobi/curry
The dude is a ****ing fan watching the team in the best box seat of all time for free. He is a fan in the dunkers spot.............. holy **** man get a clue. We could very well win this series still but this dude aint it... He is a center in the half court offense from the 90s but without a shot/any post skills and worse ft shooting.......
Pretty sure he doesn’t even peep any analytics or something as simple as +/-.Quote:
Originally Posted by warfelg
Example from last year, he still was giving Harrell bigger minutes than Zubac or Green despite the numbers.
He has been apart of too many collapses especially in LA to not point to him as the guy who deserves blame. Not saying PG played great during his series against Denver, but he vocalized the lack of adjustments made by coaches. If it weren’t for the big 3 in Boston, I don’t think he is a head coach in this league anymore.
Other coaches make adjustments and he is either oblivious or reflects all blame to his players for not executing. Idk what it is but he might be the worst coach for in game personnel decisions.
hey the best part is i have ****ing screamed for us to play the nets in the ecf because then ben simmons would have a good playoff run because they have no defense and the bucks would expose him... check my posts, Never did i ****ing imagine he would be so **** against the ****ing hawks who if we have TJ ****ING MCONNELL AT THIS POINT WHICH HURTS MY SOUL WE WOULD HAVE WON IN 5.
Dude cant score/do anything on offense against the damn hawks and we still defending him lmfao
And yet I said we should ship him out if it meant keeping Butler. I wanted him gone for Harden too. I didn't want to give up 4 picks either. But it was a non-starter because Tilman Firtitta wasn't gonna let Morey get Harden so I'm not even going to cry over it because it was a petty *** owner there.Quote:
Originally Posted by More-Than-Most
Again, saying he's an elite defender, can make incredible plays, is an awesome open floor player, and needs out of this environment, it's telling the truth.
I've said it for years now, Ben is a player that wants to be in an up-tempo fast paced system. Joel is a guy who wants to play at a slightly slower tempo and a deliberate system. Brett Brown and now Doc Rivers have struggled to get the styles to mesh.
Hell if there was a team that wanted a reboot, and I were the GM, I would go for Mike D'Antoni, trade for Simmons, and tell D'Antoni that Simmons is Nash, what do we need to build that Suns teams around him, and hope better defense gets you over the top. Like if I were Orlando I'd go for D'Antoni, send Cole Anthony/Gary Harris/2021 1st/Bulls 1st/2023 1st top 5 protected for Simmons. Orlando has cap room other Bulls picks, Nuggets picks to still use.
so now you are trying to blame a coach for a PG in todays world that doesnt/hasnt and will never shoot/has 0 half court offense/cant hit fts? go... i will wait. Doc isnt the best but imagine having to game plan around a guy that runs your offense that is a center but wants to be a pgQuote:
Originally Posted by tp13baby
Yea. It's so hard with NBA coaches. So many have glaring flaws that it's so hard to nail down a great one that can do stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by tp13baby
I mean....you're post right here pretty much sums up my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by More-Than-Most
i get all of this man... but i dont even think you can be an up tempo player with this **** pg in todays nba and have a shot... the suns couldnt do it years before and they had shooting we dint have. You cant just assume ben needs to run the floor because that **** isnt going to fly for 48 minutes esp in the playoffs... he just isnt it. There is no style a guy can play if he cant shoot/wont shoot/cant hit fts and has 0 half court offense. You arent going to run all game every game esp in the playoffs so that point is dumb.... he isnt it man. He got his money and he never improved. The dude is playing cod 50 minutes after a playoff collapse and trying to bang girls 8 hours before game time on instagram when the series is tied 2-2... what has happened to our fanbase when we held players to higher standards? the dude isnt making the minimum bro... he isnt a role player. He has 0 will to win or 0 cares and we defending him like he is prime lebronQuote:
Originally Posted by warfelg
Use him as the roll guy in a horns pick-and-roll in half court offense with the other picker in the horns being a pick and pop guy with the ball handler being more of a combo guard than true PG. Then when it's uptempo the ball can be in Ben's hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by More-Than-Most
Again, I've said since we drafted him he's not a PG he's a Point Forward and needs a coach to convince him of that. He's needed someone to basically sit him down and show him this but they don't.
Honestly my biggest issue with Ben offensively isn't the lack of shot, it isn't even the lack of aggression when he has the ball, hell it's not even the bad FT shooting. And before you do your usual crying **** BOTHER TO READ WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY:
The biggest issue I have with Ben on offense is that when he doesn't have the ball he doesn't bother to move. Ever notice how much when I push for Thybulle to play more it's because he actually bothers to move on offense. Ben doesn't move. He brings up the ball, hands it off, then stands there. No baseline cutting, no flashing to the top of the key, no dragging around a curl. None of that. Thybulle gets away with being a "bad" shooter because he moves so much. Aaron Gordon gets away with being a "bad" shooter because he moves so much. Paskal Siakam gets away with being a "bad" shooter because he moves so much. If ben were to move does it solve all the issues? **** no. But on offense he can make defenses have issues by just moving around more because you have to be aware of where he is.