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05-08-2021, 07:03 AM
QB_Eagles

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Originally Posted by ortforshort

The question is not whether Tampa would have been a good team, whatever that means, if they had a good quarterback.

The question is how the league has reacted to Brady taking that team to a super bowl and winning it.

The league has obviously reacted very strongly. You've got three of the top five QBs in the league making power plays on their owners and management. You've got the trickle down effect of having such instability at the top of the QB pile which has caused massive turbulence in the QB waters this offseason. Brady's influence cannot be factored out of these happenings, in fact, he's had the major influence in it.

The NFL QB game has now gotten very similar to the NBA superstar game overnight.
Brady = LeBron - where they go, championships follow - only Brady doesn't get hurt
Mahomes = Steph - two magicians who don't need to change teams to display their greatness, they already have
KD, Harden, Kawhi = Watson, Wilson, Rogers - the Brady, LeBron wannabes where KD, Harden and Kawhi have already used the power and now Watson, Wilson and Rogers want to use it. Wouldn't be happening if Brady hadn't done what he did.

The first and the last of these three similarities are something new this offseason.
And you guys are trying to insist that Brady winning the SuperBowl with Tampa had nothing to do with that.

If anyone is the trendsetter here it's LeVeon Bell. He actually sat out a year to be released.
05-08-2021, 08:34 AM
ortforshort

Ok

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Originally Posted by QB_Eagles

If anyone is the trendsetter here it's LeVeon Bell. He actually sat out a year to be released.

So we'll mark you down on the coincidence side of the ledger for what's going on with these three guys
05-08-2021, 08:47 AM
warfelg

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Originally Posted by QB_Eagles

If anyone is the trendsetter here it's LeVeon Bell. He actually sat out a year to be released.

There was also what VJax did before him, despite not changing teams Drew Brees threatened stuff if he was tagged, and for ****s sake we all forget that CARSON PALMER RETIRED to get traded.
05-08-2021, 10:56 AM
hugepatsfan

Definitely feels like Brady has empowered other top tier QBs to hound management for say in personnel. OP grouped a lot of other circumstances in with that though. Oakland and Carr, Baker and CLE, etc. - none of those scenarios have anything to do with Brady at all. It’s pretty limited to the Rodgers and Russ situations as far as Brady’s “influence”.
05-08-2021, 10:59 AM
bledrules

Quote:

Originally Posted by ortforshort

The question is not whether Tampa would have been a good team, whatever that means, if they had a good quarterback.

The question is how the league has reacted to Brady taking that team to a super bowl and winning it.

The league has obviously reacted very strongly. You've got three of the top five QBs in the league making power plays on their owners and management. You've got the trickle down effect of having such instability at the top of the QB pile which has caused massive turbulence in the QB waters this offseason. Brady's influence cannot be factored out of these happenings, in fact, he's had the major influence in it.

The NFL QB game has now gotten very similar to the NBA superstar game overnight.
Brady = LeBron - where they go, championships follow - only Brady doesn't get hurt
Mahomes = Steph - two magicians who don't need to change teams to display their greatness, they already have
KD, Harden, Kawhi = Watson, Wilson, Rogers - the Brady, LeBron wannabes where KD, Harden and Kawhi have already used the power and now Watson, Wilson and Rogers want to use it. Wouldn't be happening if Brady hadn't done what he did.

The first and the last of these three similarities are something new this offseason.
And you guys are trying to insist that Brady winning the SuperBowl with Tampa had nothing to do with that.

Please don't compare Brady to LBJ
Brady is the goat LBJ isn't
LBJ is a racist lump Brady isn't
LBJ loses more championships than he wins Brady doesn't
LBJ takes a dump on the fans of former teams Brady wasn't offered a contract
05-08-2021, 11:01 AM
warfelg

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Originally Posted by hugepatsfan

Definitely feels like Brady has empowered other top tier QBs to hound management for say in personnel. OP grouped a lot of other circumstances in with that though. Oakland and Carr, Baker and CLE, etc. - none of those scenarios have anything to do with Brady at all. It’s pretty limited to the Rodgers and Russ situations as far as Brady’s “influence”.

Even then I see more commentary from guys on the effect LeBron had on it than Brady.

And let’s not act like QBs have never asked FOs for anything. Remember when CRappaport kept reporting Ben wanted traded because the Steelers weren’t drafting OL?

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05-08-2021, 11:24 AM
ortforshort

One Offs

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Originally Posted by warfelg

There was also what VJax did before him, despite not changing teams Drew Brees threatened stuff if he was tagged, and for ****s sake we all forget that CARSON PALMER RETIRED to get traded.

Those were one-offs.
The exceptions prove the rule - being able to cite all of the rare one-off times it's happened in the past proves that something unique is going on now where its suddenly happening a lot.

It's like saying that smoking doesn't cause cancer because your uncle Bob smoked three packs a day and lived 'till he was ninety.

The rule being that suddenly, outside of Mahomes, we've got every top QB wanting to get traded because they don't have Brady-like power within their organizations and are now demanding to leave because of it. Nobody wants their input into any decisions within their organization while Brady got input with his organization and won a super bowl.

But, as you guys are saying, there's nothing here, we should just move on from this.
05-08-2021, 11:25 AM
manbearchef

Philip Rivers literally did the same thing during the same off-season lol.

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Originally Posted by QB_Eagles

Well, they were beaten 5 times. And again, "Arians' way" was going 7-9 with a QB who committed 2 turnovers a game. We have know way of knowing but I think they would have been a very good team with any Top 10 QB.

People also are choosing to forget they almost lost to the 7-9 WFT with a bum 3rd string QB in the WC round. And could've lost to GB if Rodgers could've mustered one TD in 4 drives at the end.
05-08-2021, 12:39 PM
mariner4life

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Originally Posted by manbearchef

Philip Rivers literally did the same thing during the same off-season lol.

People also are choosing to forget they almost lost to the 7-9 WFT with a bum 3rd string QB in the WC round. And could've lost to GB if Rodgers could've mustered one TD in 4 drives at the end.

All true. Plus the saints would of probably won if not for a dropped pass.
05-08-2021, 08:03 PM
QB_Eagles

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Originally Posted by ortforshort

So we'll mark you down on the coincidence side of the ledger for what's going on with these three guys

No, mark me down as LeVeon Bell inspiring these QBs to want to try and leave their teams.
05-10-2021, 12:19 PM
rc33

Le'veon Bell's situation in PGH was 100% about the money. He even cited the fact that he'd had over 400 touches the previous season and wasn't going to be put thru that much usage again without a long-term deal. Don't believe he ever really wanted to leave the Steelers, he just wanted to get paid. When it became apparent that wasn't gonna happen only then did he try to force his way out of town. And Bell certainly made no mention of "shopping for the groceries" along with Tomlin and Kevin Colbert.
05-10-2021, 12:26 PM
QB_Eagles

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Originally Posted by rc33

Le'veon Bell's situation in PGH was 100% about the money. He even cited the fact that he'd had over 400 touches the previous season and wasn't going to be put thru that much usage again without a long-term deal. Don't believe he ever really wanted to leave the Steelers, he just wanted to get paid. When it became apparent that wasn't gonna happen only then did he try to force his way out of town. And Bell certainly made no mention of "shopping for the groceries" along with Tomlin and Kevin Colbert.

Brady had a clause written into his last extension with the Patriots that would guarantee he'd become a free agent, because the contract automatically voided after the franchise tag window closed. Bell wanted to hit free agency, to not play under the franchise tag. Not sure how you can claim Bell was all about the money but Brady wasn't.
05-10-2021, 12:28 PM
rc33

Did I make that claim?
05-10-2021, 12:32 PM
QB_Eagles

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Originally Posted by rc33

Did I make that claim?

Well...

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Originally Posted by rc33

Le'veon Bell's situation in PGH was 100% about the money.

So was Brady 100% about the money, too?
05-10-2021, 05:14 PM
BSF101

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Originally Posted by Midnightbottle

The patriots have qbs two of them suck and one is a rookie. No one is calling for any of them.

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Again no one is giving Stidham a chance and Cam wasn’t signed till July with no preseason plus he had COVID. As much as I don’t care for the guy I’ve finally realized it wasn’t all his fault.

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