Thoughts after the mass shooting

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Because i wanted to prove my point that ex-military are best suited to protect our children in schools from mass shootings.

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Clown Argument.

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Originally Posted by Crovash

Clown Argument.

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Now wait. Who better to search 6th grade girls backpacks?

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Originally Posted by WES445

False. How many times has that happened? Plus, we don't have another country with higher domestic shootings to tell one way or the other to judge if more guns helped. We are in uncharted water with this problem.

Plus, I wouldn't want to be the police coming into a pitch gun battle where they can't tell who is who. I heard one state is dropping the gun lessons requirements, so in mass shooting incidents, not stopping a robber, you could have untrained people slinging lead around trying to get a lone gunman.

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you can't eliminate guns, and civilians with guns have stopped or confronted a shooter shows it helped.

I'm going to need to see any state dropping gun lesson requirements, especially for police.

IMO anyone that buys a gun should need a license and be required to take a written and physical test the same as a driver's license.

these type of things don't typically make the established media.

https://www.nrawomen.com/content/the...en-may-7-2021/

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A man armed with a hammer forced his way into a Lucerne Valley, California, home through the back door at 9:15 a.m. The homeowner confronted the intruder and he threatened to kill her. Fearing for her life, she shot the man. He fled from her home, but didn’t make it far. Police found him lying on the side of the road. The homeowner was unhurt. (vvng.com, Lucerne Valley, CA, 2/16/21)

In two more cases of women defending themselves with firearms, a woman shot an intruder and another was able to stop her abuser. The first incident was reported on April 6, 2021, when a woman called 9-1-1 after having shot and killed a man who broke into her Lexington, Kentucky, apartment. The second incident occurred when a woman fatally shot her abusive boyfriend on April 8, 2021. Police found evidence to suggest an aggressive confrontation at the scene in Atmore, Alabama, but the woman fought back.

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Originally Posted by Crovash

Clown Argument.

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Why? I have a kid in middle school. Why is she not allowed the same protection as Biden or Trump?

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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

you can't eliminate guns, and civilians with guns have stopped or confronted a shooter shows it helped.

I'm going to need to see any state dropping gun lesson requirements, especially for police.

IMO anyone that buys a gun should need a license and be required to take a written and physical test the same as a driver's license.

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One of the major issues is gun safety. My kid goes strapped. But the rest of his arsenal is in a gun safe. I think if a kid takes a parent's gun and shoots people (particularly other kids) the parent should face the same charges as the child.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Why? I have a kid in middle school. Why is she not allowed the same protection as Biden or Trump?

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That is a real concern. Even armed guards and security checks cannot stop a shooter in the parking lot. Especially if they are trying to take a few others out and then die by Cop or the like. It is a terrible problem. But like I said above, the parents need to secure their guns.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Why? I have a kid in middle school. Why is she not allowed the same protection as Biden or Trump?

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Bc she is no where near as important to people that aren’t you. No offense but really? The things parents say are crazy


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Originally Posted by valade16

Drugs are easier to make, ship, hide, etc. than a gun.

I’m wondering why we don’t see any fully automatic machine guns in these mass shootings? They are basically illegal to own without very stringent permits and there’s not many in circulation, yet somehow there isn’t a teeming black market for them, nor are they used in very many crimes.

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I think you just answered your own question. They would be very easy to trace back and there aren't many in circulation to begin with. They are also much more difficult to conceal so it isn't ideal if you're trying to act meticulously. Then you have to consider the risk (how many people actually own one of these guns for you to buy off of) and the price (clearly more expensive due to the rarity).

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Why? I have a kid in middle school. Why is she not allowed the same protection as Biden or Trump?

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You want an airplane and a big white house to go with that?

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Originally Posted by OceanSpray

I think you just answered your own question. They would be very easy to trace back and there aren't many in circulation to begin with. They are also much more difficult to conceal so it isn't ideal if you're trying to act meticulously. Then you have to consider the risk (how many people actually own one of these guns for you to buy off of) and the price (clearly more expensive due to the rarity).

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So the reason nobody uses them is how easy they’d be to track because there are so few? Now imagine if semi-automatic non-hunting rifles were just as scarce? Or if there was a national database to track all firearms?

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Why? I have a kid in middle school. Why is she not allowed the same protection as Biden or Trump?

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Because your kid isn't the President of the United States. Are we really asking this question? Or are you doing a bit?

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Originally Posted by valade16

So the reason nobody uses them is how easy they’d be to track because there are so few? Now imagine if semi-automatic non-hunting rifles were just as scarce? Or if there was a national database to track all firearms?

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I demonstrated four reasons and you pick out one because...?

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Originally Posted by OceanSpray

I demonstrated four reasons and you pick out one because...?

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Because most reasons become applicable for semi-automatic non-hunting rifles with that one point.

If we made them as scarce as fully automatic weapons

1. They’d become very easy to trace and there wouldn’t be very many in circulation

2. They’d come with increased risk (as not many people would own them to buy off)

3. The price would increase due to rarity.

In fact, you made a very compelling argument on how difficult they’d be to get if we made them illegal just like fully automatic weapons.

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Originally Posted by Blue6

One of the major issues is gun safety. My kid goes strapped. But the rest of his arsenal is in a gun safe. I think if a kid takes a parent's gun and shoots people (particularly other kids) the parent should face the same charges as the child.

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I don't have a problem with a parent being held accountable for their underage child that uses a parents gun to shoot people, but not the same charges. hard to charge the parent with murder1 the same as the child.