Thoughts after the mass shooting

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Originally Posted by WES445

The right keep saying that the only way to stop a bad person with a gun..... I guess there haven't been many good guys lately considering all these mass shootings when unchallenge.

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Mass shootings typically occur in gun free zones do they not? I wouldn’t expect there would be many good guys with guns in gun free zones.

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Originally Posted by valade16

No I don’t. I think the more guns you put in an area, the more gun deaths you’re going to see.

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You mean murders or death by law enforcement?

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Originally Posted by WES445

No, we won't tolerate military or ex-military patrolling our streets as they did in South Africa decades ago.

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I like how the solution from the pro-2A crowd is a government occupation. It really exposes the hypocrisy in their support for 2A. Because they say its about protecting from tyranny.

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Originally Posted by WES445

No, we won't tolerate military or ex-military patrolling our streets as they did in South Africa decades ago.

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If you are willing to sacrifice someone's second amendment right, why wouldn't you be willing to sacrifice someone's fifth amendment right?

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

I like how the solution from the pro-2A crowd is a government occupation. It really exposes the hypocrisy in their support for 2A. Because they say its about protecting from tyranny.

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Im not advocating military run streets. Im advocating ex military working as public protection officers in schools and other public areas.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Mass shootings typically occur in gun free zones do they not? I wouldn’t expect there would be many good guys with guns in gun free zones.

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So gun free zone is the problem? So the only way to solve this problem is to arm everybody like the wild west?

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

This is fantastic marketing, but is really just the gun lobby's way of saying "the only thing better than one gun involved is two guns to be involved...double profits!". There is no real evidence or proof that more guns being involved is better.

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false.

there have been incidents where a civilian with a gun confronted a shooter with a gun.

add in police with their guns.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Im not advocating military run streets. Im advocating ex military working as public protection officers in schools and other public areas.

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We have that already in Virginia.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Im not advocating military run streets. Im advocating ex military working as public protection officers in schools and other public areas.

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I'd pay more taxes for that.

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Originally Posted by brett05

I'd pay more taxes for that.

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You would.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

I meant in terms of our rights as in the bill of rights.

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Well I’ll bow to your Constitutional scholarship


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Originally Posted by SpecialFNK

false.

there have been incidents where a civilian with a gun confronted a shooter with a gun.

add in police with their guns.

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False. How many times has that happened? Plus, we don't have another country with higher domestic shootings to tell one way or the other to judge if more guns helped. We are in uncharted water with this problem.

Plus, I wouldn't want to be the police coming into a pitch gun battle where they can't tell who is who. I heard one state is dropping the gun lessons requirements, so in mass shooting incidents, not stopping a robber, you could have untrained people slinging lead around trying to get a lone gunman.

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Originally Posted by WES445

False. How many times has that happened? Plus, we don't have another country with higher domestic shootings to tell one way or the other to judge if more guns helped. We are in uncharted water with this problem.

Plus, I wouldn't want to be the police coming into a pitch gun battle where they can't tell who is who. I heard one state is dropping the gun lessons requirements, so in mass shooting incidents, not stopping a robber, you could have untrained people slinging lead around trying to get a lone gunman.

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Estimates vary but its anywhere between 500,000 to 3 million defensive uses of guns yearly. Regardless of the number, these are way more than the uses of gun related crimes yearly and certainly more than gun murders yearly. In fact, most gun violence, roughly 65% are due to suicides. I'd argue, the US has more of a mental health issue than a gun problem issue.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Estimates vary but its anywhere between 500,000 to 3 million defensive uses of guns yearly. Regardless of the number, these are way more than the uses of gun related crimes yearly and certainly more than gun murders yearly. In fact, most gun violence, roughly 65% are due to suicides. I'd argue, the US has more of a mental health issue than a gun problem issue.

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We do have a mental health issue, but as I’ve said dozens of times on here, studies show suicide rates increase with guns and they decrease with less guns, so it’s not like everyone who commits suicide with a gun would switch to pills; with less guns there’d be less suicides.

But beyond that, even taking out suicides, our gun crime rate is far and away higher than every other industrialized nation, in some cases by 10 or 20 times. That more guns equals more gun violence is not in dispute in any scientific sense, it’s been beyond proven at this point.

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Originally Posted by joeyc77

Estimates vary but its anywhere between 500,000 to 3 million defensive uses of guns yearly. Regardless of the number, these are way more than the uses of gun related crimes yearly and certainly more than gun murders yearly. In fact, most gun violence, roughly 65% are due to suicides. I'd argue, the US has more of a mental health issue than a gun problem issue.

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I will agree it is a mental health issue which would suggest more guns wouldn't be the answer.