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If Hurts looks good coming out of camp and a rookie actually beats him out the Eagles would have a very valuable trade chip in Hurts. Or like I said earlier, would have one of the best QB depth charts in the NFL.Quote:
Originally Posted by last stand
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I really hope you guys don't take a QB since you pick in front of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by QQQ
I'd make an exception for a sideline-to-sideline LB who's big and great in coverage. These guys are rare and very valuable to a defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nunuu
What if you think the QB on the board (presumably Lance) is just special? I think you really gotta let your evaluation of the players dictate. You draft players, not positions. Gotta let your evaluations of the players drive decisions, not the idea in your head of which positions would be ideal to fill.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez
Because I think you can use capitol in other years to go get a qb.Quote:
Originally Posted by hugepatsfan
If hurts is good, great, you found one.
If he’s not, the team will lose, get a high pick next year too.
I won’t be convinced that taking another QBs that high in what is now a 5 year span is a good idea.
I just don't agree with how you're looking at it. You aren't drafting "another QB". You're drafting Trey Lance, Justin Fields, etc. I think your evaluation of that specific player should drive decision. I certainly understand where you're coming from and it's very logical. But if Lance or whoever is a stud then when we look back with hindsight we'll say that should have been the move (unless Hurts is also a stud).Quote:
Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez
Obviously no one's got a crystal ball. But if that's the outcome they see in their honest evaluations then I think that's what they got to go with. Decide if a QB makes sense based on what you think of the prospects themselves, not the "idea" of when you should draft a QB.
Because those guys are in every draft.Quote:
Originally Posted by hugepatsfan
No they aren’t, if they were (meaning you scouted them and think they are nothing special) you don’t draft themQuote:
Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez
If you think a guys special he’s not in every draft. That’s myopic thinking
All that’s being said is the “evaluation” drives the pick not the position
I'm not super high on Fields, but there's 4 guys in this class who are better than most classes. Unless someone comes out of nowhere like Burrow, the 2022 class looks like it has one good prospect, and I don't think he's better than Lawrence or Wilson and doesn't have the upside of Lance.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez
I think you’ll see as the season happens and goes that guys will emerge, not to Lawerence level but that next tier of guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by manbearchef
He’s not really that great in coverage. I mean he’s not terrible but I’d say average. The thing is though he’s great at everything else and might be the best tackler in the draft. When you watch him play he looks like a bigger faster version of Jamal Adams. He will be dominant in the box and on blitzes, probably not so much in coverage. Still worthy of a top 10 pick in my opinion, pending the off the field stuff checks out.Quote:
Originally Posted by QB_Eagles
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The problem with that thinking is that what if Hurts is mediocre? He’s not great enough to lead you deep into the playoffs but he’s also not bad enough to completely tank. You’re left always picking in the middle-late end of the 1st round when all the best QB’s are already off the board. They could always trade up but then you end up spending capitol you didn’t need to spend if you had just taken a QB when you were already picking in the top 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez
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You don’t always have a shot at those guys though without having to give up future draft picks.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez
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True, don’t just draft a QB because you think you might need one. But if one of those guys (if a guy just falls to you) is special and the Eagles truly believe he’s a legit franchise QB, they have to take him.Quote:
Originally Posted by last stand
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Even if he’s mediocre, the team around him won’t be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.B
I don’t believe these guys can be had in every draft
What QB in the 2020 nfl draft has the same duel threat ability that both Justin fields and trey lance have? Tua? I’d argue his arm isn’t as good as either fields or lance and isn’t as athletic.. Jalen hurts? I’d say both fields and lance have a better arm.
2019 draft? Kyler Murray? He’s very small so he has an issue seeing over the OL, also does he have the arm fields and lance does? Dwayne Haskins? Lmfao! Daniel Jones? Hahah! Drew lock? :laugh:
What about the 2018 draft? Lamar Jackson? He’s obviously got the legs, but his arm is bad. Baker mayfield? I’d say both fields and lance are more athletic and both can rival his arm. Josh Allen? Yes I’d say he’s a better player than both but I’d also say he was a big mystery in the draft too.
Gotta go back to the 2017 draft to see some guys that rival that with mahomes and Watson (college success).
Jaylon smith kinda scares me away from parsonsQuote:
Originally Posted by QB_Eagles
That’s a big chance to take when you are already in a position to draft a franchise QB. If Hurts is the guy though wouldn’t a guy like Rashawn Slater be a better pick than a WR or defensive player (assuming this will be a total ground to ceiling rebuild)?Quote:
Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez
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QB is by far the most important position in sports. I just think if you really like a guy and you have even somewhat of a question with your current QBs, you draft that guy. This offseason we haven’t heard the eagles committing to Jalen hurts, in fact they said that Jalen hurts isn’t the starter yet and they plan on bringing in competition for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.B
Could it be that the front office wants other teams to think the eagles are in on a QB so a team trades in front of them so a player they really want falls to #6? Sure, it’s possible. But honestly, I didn’t see anything that makes me believe Jalen hurts is a franchise QB. Sure it’s a small sample size, but I just think teams can scheme against him. Washington made him look bad. Looked like he couldn’t throw for **** on them.
I also want to go on record as saying I’d prefer just rolling with Jalen hurts to see how he does, but at the same time I’d fully understand if the eagles do go QB at #6. I’d prefer not trading up for a QB tho
Leaving off Lawrence as a dual threat? He's got some speed in long strides at his size. I'll be interested to see how he compares to Cam and Luck in athletic tests.Quote:
Originally Posted by QQQ
Oh I agree. In fact I think Zach Wilson could also be considered a duel threat QB. I was just talking about QBs that might be available at #6 for the eagles. Lawrence/Wilson probably won’t be there, fields/lance might.Quote:
Originally Posted by manbearchef
I agree with this. If there is a QB you love then it would be dumb not to take them.Quote:
Originally Posted by QQQ
I'm for drafting a QB, but I'm also a little more optimistic about Hurts. Game 16 we had our worst OL combination of the year and Hurts still led two TD drives, plus one that stopped 4 yards from the endzone. When Sudfeld came in he kinda served as the control group, and showed how an actual backup QB would fare in these circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by QQQ
But the thing for me is even if Hurts beats out the rookie QB, continues to improve, and develops into a very good QB, that 6th overall selection doesn't lose value sitting on the bench. Well, he will lose some but he can probably still be flipped for a late first round pick later on.
Like I said the 2021 "transition" year is a waste anyway, so why not evaluate two QBs instead of one.
Jamon brown played week 16?Quote:
Originally Posted by QB_Eagles
Agreed. Right, that pick can probably be traded later for a 1st. Will probably drop a bit but at least you’ll know that you have your QB. Maybe hurts isn’t the guy and someone at #6 could be the guy? I really don’t think it would hurt to evaluate 2 QBs right now. The eagles have to be honest with it though. If hurts is better than whoever is the 6th overall pick then they have to go with hurts even though the #6 pick cost a lot more.Quote:
Originally Posted by QB_Eagles
Then if they dead set on a QB then you go Fields or Lance or JonesQuote:
Originally Posted by last stand
No, but Toth and Pryor were the starting tackles.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez
Was he the one that kept trying to tackle wentz? Lmao.. I’ve never seen that before. He was bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez
Both are nfl players.Quote:
Originally Posted by QB_Eagles
Is brown?
Really the whole season there were just so many moving parts on the offensive line. I think they had like 14 or 15 different combinations for the whole season which is a NFL record. Still, they weren’t horrible overall. PFF ranked them at about middle of the pack in the NFL for the entire season despite having backups at every position besides center. I think that says a lot about the potential of the young guys on that offensive line. Give these young guys some continuity and coaching to help them grow and they can maybe turn into something.Quote:
Originally Posted by QB_Eagles
Lol you truly will try to spin anything to favor Wentz. They are all bad. All are fringe roster guys in the NFL.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez
Jamon Brown -- career games: 62; career starts: 49.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez
Brett Toth -- career games: 6; career starts: 1.
So Brown is about 10-50 times the NFL player that Toth is.
All I said was week 16 we had the worst OL combination of the year and I 'm convinced of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by QQQ
Also Pryor @G vs. Pryor @T is a world of difference.
I know. And I agree, I was just expanding it to the season as a whole. I know, different discussion, but many eagles fans are saying the OL was horrible and at times it was but other times it really wasn’t. I know you aren’t one of those fans, just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by QB_Eagles
I personally just really like the potential of mailata, herbig, driscoll, and Dillard. Add in seamalo who Jason kelce says could be a pro bowl center someday when kelce retires and I think the eagles actually have the next good OL already on the roster, they are just young and inexperienced at the moment.
The majority of the line issues were Opeta, Brown, Pryor, and Mailata's growing pains. With a little more health the oline should be pretty good next year assuming Brooks and Lane can stay relatively healthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by QQQ
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by EAGLES3658
So does that make Wentz 10-50 times the nfl player hurts is?Quote:
Originally Posted by QB_Eagles
Terrible analogy.
Point is, the OL was awful throughout and Wentz getting zero consistency with OL, RB, WR or TE play was in a far worse position than hurts. KJ spelled that out pretty well.
When healthy it’s a really really good OL. No question.Quote:
Originally Posted by EAGLES3658
I never made an analogy!Quote:
Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez
It was a response to questioning whether Brown is an NFL player, although he has played multiple seasons in the NFL, while also saying that Toth *is* an NFL player, even though he made his first NFL start in that week 16 game.
And no, according to PFF, ESPN, etc. the OL wasn't awful throughout. It was average.