So now they're lying about being trapped and lying about being in the chamber when they heard the gunshot that killed her?Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
This is seriously your argument?
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So now they're lying about being trapped and lying about being in the chamber when they heard the gunshot that killed her?Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
This is seriously your argument?
nate, how did the other 500+ members of congress and ancillary staffers get out of the chambers?
You are acting as though there was only 1 usable exit from the floor. I have shown you that there are at least 4. If those people were "trapped" it was because they didn't follow directions.
Sorry but you are getting dangerously close to "little natey" mode here, so I will not respond further. No one needs to see you go through yet another tantrum.
Once again I link you to something that shows you being wrong, and you either don't have the intellectual honesty to read it, or you don't possess the ability to understand what you read.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
But I'm nice, so I'll help you again.
From the same article:
"Vividly they remember the loud, hornetlike buzz of their gas masks. The explosive crack of tear gas in the hallways outside. The screams of officers telling them to stay down. The thunderous beating on the doors below. Glass shattering as the rioters punched through a window pane. The knobs rattling ominously on the locked doors just a few feet behind them."
No one said there was only one exit; this is another lie you have to make up in order to act like you still have an argument. Not only did I say that the main exit off the floor was barricaded (meaning we've already doubled the number of exits in your lie), but I have given you interviews with people that were there talking about people at other doors, as well.
You're wrong. It's been repeatedly demonstrated that you're wrong. You seem to be the only person that hasn't figured it out yet.
Now run away with your tail between your legs.
nate, how difficult is it for you to admit that you are wrong? You continue to act as though there was only 1 exit from the congressional chambers. Apparenty, your reading comprehension problem extends to pictures of the capitol building as well. There are 4 main exits from the congressional chambers -- North, South, East and West.
You have failed to explain how the other 500+ members of the delegation "escaped" from the chambers while these 36(?) were "trapped".
Again I say if they were trapped, it was because they didn't follow directions.
Unless and until you answer a couple of important questions -- "Why did the guards simply walk away from their post (no urgency, no rushing)?; "How did the rest of the delegation get out of the chambers? Did they apparate?"
Before you say you have already answered my questions (per your norm), you have not.
There will be no reason for me to continue in this discussion, as you have no interest in a legitimate discussion, just your standard nonsense.
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This little tirade of yours began with just another of your lies. I have never said I wanted the congressional delegation to be trapped in the chambers. I simply do not believe that there was only 1 usable exit as you appear to.
No one, anywhere, ever, at any point, has said there was only one exit.
There's a reason you have to keep repeating this lie. Go away and try not to overtax yourself figuring out what it is.
I see no actual answer to my questions. This indicates to me that you are not interested in a legitimate discussion, simply your own story. You do not wish to see the actual truth, do you? It would totally disarm your narrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by natepro
I have said, and will continue to say, that there are 4 exits from the chambers. If 2 were blocked, that leaves another 2 to use, safely. This leads me to an important question that you refuse to acknowledge -- "How did the remainder of the congressional delegation get out of the chambers, leaving these 36(?) people behind?"
You talk about intellectual honesty, and start this little tirade with a lie and refuse to answer simple questions.
I believe there is a word for someone like you (it starts with a D, by the way).
And by the way nate, I have never said that you said there was only 1 exit, only that it appears that you believed that there was only 1 usable exit. Another lie from someone that throws the term "intellectual honesty" around? As I said there is a word for someone like you -- and it starts with a D.
Oh. You haven't figured out what the plural form of a word means.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
Yikes.
Apparently you also haven't figured out what "three dozen" means, either. Your phone or computer should have a calculator that can help you out there. I have zero confidence you'll use it.
Ho hum.
Typical. As I said, there is no reason to continue a discussion with someone as disingenuous as you are. You have no interest in a legitimate discussion, as to have one would show that you are incorrect and you cannot accept that as a possiblilty.
If you want a legitimate discussion on this, or any other topic, by all means, I'll engage you in such. This is not one of those situations.
Just stop lying about me and I won't have to respond to you. And while you're at it, stop responding to me. It seldom turns out well for you.
His ridiculous statements are blatantly contradicted by the statement made by the Justice Department filing. But this is not at all surprising.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zmaster52
Was she found to have been armed?Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncos78087
The person who the GOP is now having no problem calling out for his bigotry versus the people who are saying the same ****:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsa3...withTrevorNoah
You have repeatedly demonstrated your interest in "legitimate discussion" does not exist. Given the way you've abused the term at every opportunity, one can only assume that you have no idea what either word means, together or separately.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
To wit:
The only way anyone reading this could come away with the idea that I "believed that there was only 1 usable exit" was if they were a liar or an idiot. Or both.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
First, Mr Consistency, this is what you started this whole pointless tangent about one exit with:
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Originally Posted by catman
You notice the word "usable" is nowhere in that? Here, Mr Consistency, your only claim is that one of four exits were blocked. It's not until your next post that you pivot to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
How very consistent of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
Second, we again go back to you trying to act like I'm the one speculating...
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Originally Posted by catman
But yet again, you're the one that's inventing things you have zero evidence for because you know you have no argument otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
We both know you're not still reading this, much less going to actually respond to any of it - more of that patented interest in "legitimate discussion" on display - but just to make it completely clear how terrible your argument has become, let's look at the things you've now accused the people that were there that day of lying about:Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
They lied about being trapped.
They lied about being in the House chamber when Babbitt was shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
And finally they didn't follow directions despite saying that that's exactly what they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
Of course, the reporting on the incident both at the time and in the days after shows that none of your lies have any basis in reality.
This is, again, from Jason Crow, the former Army Ranger you're accusing of lying:
But it was just one door, as you've repeatedly tried to claim, right? Here's Markwayne Mullin, the now Senator-elect from Oklahoma. If you were still reading this I'd tell you to read carefully, but I know you're not:Quote:
He watched as the few remaining Capitol Police started locking everyone into the Chamber.
"I saw them them grabbing furniture and barricading the door," Crow says. "The entire security infrastructure had broken down, we were surrounded and trapped, and that the mob had completely encircled us."
Neither of these doors are the ones that open into the Speaker's Lobby, where Babbitt was shot.Quote:
After helping police barricade the doors at the back of the House chamber, Rep. Markwayne Mullin (R-Okla.) saw the commotion at another door as an officer pulled out his gun to warn rioters not to break in.
Mullin prepared for battle.
“If they breach that door, we’re going to engage them really quick and that engagement would be whatever it took to stop them,” the conservative lawmaker recalled in an interview two months after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack. “And I know I was prepared.”
As for following instructions, here's Mullin again:
They were trapped there because they were following instructions. The people in charge of their security told them to take cover, and so they did. And it was while they were stuck there taking cover that Babbitt was shot:Quote:
But Mullin also says it was then he realized members and staffers were still stuck inside the House gallery, one floor above them, as the fight to keep the rioters off the floor ensued. The evacuation of the gallery had been stalled after the glass of the door was blown out, and people a floor above were told to “take cover.”
But hey, maybe the place was full of exits. Maybe they could've walked out of any of thousands of doors and evacuated to safety, right? There's one major problem with your whole dumb premise, and it's illustrated rather nicely in just a couple of lines from two articles I've already linked you to that you'll never bother reading.Quote:
At about the same time, roughly 100 feet away, an officer shot and killed 35-year-old Ashli Babbitt, a former Air Force veteran who kept trying get inside the speaker’s lobby — where several lawmakers were — despite warnings that a gun was drawn.
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The lawmakers were finally taken to safety roughly an hour after the siege began.
You can list as many exits as you want, but at the end of the day none of them knew what the situation outside of those doors was, and none of them were going to go running out of a door without the Capitol Police escorting them first. Even when they did escort them, it was with guns drawn, doors physically barricaded, and people pinned to the ground.Quote:
Shortly after 2:45, the evacuation resumed. With the police in the lead, guns drawn, the lawmakers entered a scene of havoc, Mr. Crow said. Some police officers scrambled to barricade other doors to block pro-Trump extremists. Others pinned some protesters to the ground to allow the lawmakers to pass.
But you apparently think they should've just bolted out the first door they saw. Because you have zero idea what you're talking about.
Now comes the part where you show you read none of this while still acting like you have any idea what "legitimate discussion" means.
Ho hum.
More of the same. No answers to my questions, which is totally expected. No reason for you to respond to this, as you will continue with your narrative, not allowing for facts to enter in that would discredit it.
Sorry you don't want to actually answer a legitimate question and continue spouting the same old stuff (which the video you posted before discredits).
As I said, this little tirade of yours began with yet another lie about me. You said that I wanted the congressional delegation to be trapped. I never said I did, nor did I. Stop lying about me. Stop mentioning me out of context. Stop responding to me. Your responses never end well for you and this is just another of those situations. Again, your lack of reading comprehension fails you -- even when you quote my posts you lie about what they say.
Intellectual honesty is something you lack. Disingenuous is a perfect word to describe you.
Told you you wouldn't actually read it any of it. You were doing better when you were running away.