The Cult of Trump

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

:laugh2: I would like to nominate myself for the 2022 Motor Trend Car of the Year.

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It's the one joke!

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Originally Posted by natepro

How many times has this been explained to you?

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And how many times have I told you that your explanation doesn’t hold up?

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

Look, you’re a nice enough guy and I know you mean well, but it comes down to the fact that we each believe a different truth. The kicker for me is that the science around transgenders doesn’t check out. You were taught to check your work in math, right? When supposed women have penises, testicles, and are getting females pregnant, that doesn’t check out to me. In fact, it quite obviously illustrates that these supposed women are in fact men. To you and others, the science that I believe in is outdated. To me, the science you believe isn’t legitimate because it doesn’t check out. It actually requires changing definitions in order to attempt to make it work. So, I will continue to reject it in favor of science that does work.

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The science is evolving. Things change. Things always will change and never should stagnate.

There has never been a time in human history where becoming more empathetic and expanding rights for all types of humans hasn't ended up winning out.


Do you actually think it's possible that trans men and women are going to be the nothing more than a footnote in history books in 500 years? It's just not how society evolves. It progresses.

Progress slows , but it will ultimately progress.


As with all conservative thoughts in past times, transphobia will become a thing of the past.

I assumed homophobia was already to that point, but even that is absolutely alive and well and quite prevalent in the US unfortunately.


Life isn't supposed to be about what makes sense to you. It's supposed to evolve , change, adapt, understand , and reject those trying to hold it back.

Transgenderism isn't a myth, you're just rejecting what doctors (scientists) have said about it. It's been made quite clear that gender affirmation is the move.

Why doesn't that matter?

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

And how many times have I told you that your explanation doesn’t hold up?

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And you've been wrong every time. Now you're making up this "you think the science I believe is outdated" **** to try and give your position some kind of legitimacy beyond "nuh uh!"

I'm sorry change is so scary for you. None of that invalidates the many studies over many years, or the lived experiences of all of these people, no matter how hard you wish it did.

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Originally Posted by blams

The science is evolving. Things change. Things always will change and never should stagnate.

There has never been a time in human history where becoming more empathetic and expanding rights for all types of humans hasn't ended up winning out.


Do you actually think it's possible that trans men and women are going to be the nothing more than a footnote in history books in 500 years? It's just not how society evolves. It progresses.

Progress slows , but it will ultimately progress.


As with all conservative thoughts in past times, transphobia will become a thing of the past.


I assumed homophobia was already to that point, but it's absolutely alive and well and quite prevalent in the US unfortunately.

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First, I’m not convinced humans will still be here in 500 years, but that is an entirely separate debate.

Science evolves, but sometimes evolving means getting it wrong when you had it right in the first place. Evolving an idea doesn’t mean that where we arrive is correct. That is why, again, I will continue to reject something that doesn’t check out in favor of what does.

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

First, I’m not convinced humans will still be here in 500 years, but that is an entirely separate debate.

Science evolves, but sometimes evolving means getting it wrong when you had it right in the first place. Evolving an idea doesn’t mean that where we arrive is correct. That is why, again, I will continue to reject something that doesn’t check out in favor of what does.

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I completely agree with the first sentence of yours , let's close this one out with a win lol

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

Lol it's petrucci. I've absolutely known how to spell his name for decades, he's my idle. And no....lol....i absolutely don't suck at guitar. I can play every song he has recorded. You probably don't even know who he plays for.

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Your "idle", ay? Of course I know who Petrucci plays for.

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Originally Posted by natepro

And you've been wrong every time. Now you're making up this "you think the science I believe is outdated" **** to try and give your position some kind of legitimacy beyond "nuh uh!"

I'm sorry change is so scary for you. None of that invalidates the many studies over many years, or the lived experiences of all of these people, no matter how hard you wish it did.

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Wrong according to what you believe to be true. Too bad that there are still people in the science community that say you are wrong.

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Originally Posted by blams

I completely agree with the first sentence of yours , let's close this one out with a win lol

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I can live with that. lol

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

Wrong according to what you believe to be true. Too bad that there are still people in the science community that say you are wrong.

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Wrong according to virtually ever major medical organization in the US, UK, Canada, and Australia; according to the many multiple studies over many multiple years; and according to the lived experience of people from disparate cultures over hundreds of years. I have yet to see anything that invalidates any of it, much less all of it.

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Originally Posted by natepro

Wrong according to virtually ever major medical organization in the US, UK, Canada, and Australia; according to the many multiple studies over many multiple years; and according to the lived experience of people from disparate cultures over hundreds of years. I have yet to see anything that invalidates any of it, much less all of it.

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Have you actually researched anything that would invalidate it? Or done so with an objective mind?

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Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper

Have you actually researched anything that would invalidate it? Or done so with an objective mind?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by natepro

Yes.

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Neat. Me too.

Looking into things like that is why I'm no longer conservative, Christian, pro-life, creationist, pro-death penalty, etc.

No one can look at things with a fully objective mind, of course, but challenging the things I believed is why I no longer believe many of them.

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Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo

Lol it's petrucci. I've absolutely known how to spell his name for decades, he's my idle. And no....lol....i absolutely don't suck at guitar. I can play every song he has recorded. You probably don't even know who he plays for.

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Does he rev your engine at an idling pace? How very homoerotic of you

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