The Cult of Trump

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Originally Posted by catman

I said that I do not support the people portrayed in the statues. You have not said that people should not use the term "Fredo" to describe someone that is dumb. It is a derogatory term that insults an ethnic group. Using racist terms -- the "N-word", "S***o", etal -- is also free-speech. You have said that people should not use those terms, and I agree. They are unacceptable in polite society.
Stop supporting bigotry. It does not look good on someone like you.

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And you have not said that towns should not have confederate statues. (no, saying you don't support the people portrayed in them is not the same thing).

They are unacceptable in polite society.

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Originally Posted by catman

I said that I do not support the people portrayed in the statues. As I said, the statues themselves, the granite, is not offensive. You have not said that people should not use the term "Fredo" to describe someone that is dumb. It is a derogatory term that insults an ethnic group. Using racist terms -- the "N-word", "S***o", etal -- is also free-speech. You have said that people should not use those terms, and I agree. They are unacceptable in polite society.
Stop supporting bigotry. It does not look good on someone like you.

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With a nod to John Mulaney:

You notice how you've typed "Fredo" a hundred times in this thread, and just typed "N-word" and "S***o" there?

That should tell you something.

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Originally Posted by natepro

He's also very good at falling back to "what do you want me to do about it" or "then move there and vote for/against whatever" or some variation of the same. It's one of many ways he squirms out of taking a firm position on something.

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Nate, I have taken a very firm position here as I always do. I do not support the people portrayed in the statues.
Now that you are once again educated on a misconception that you have, it's time for you to get back to work and for me to get some sleep so I can go to work in the morning.
I am not evasive like you are. I answer questions directly and do not try to misrepresent my point of view.

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Originally Posted by catman

Nate, I have taken a very firm position here as I always do. I do not support the people portrayed in the statues.
Now that you are once again educated on a misconception that you have, it's time for you to get back to work and for me to get some sleep so I can go to work in the morning.
I am not evasive like you are. I answer questions directly and do not try to misrepresent my point of view.

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I didn't say anything about statues.

You demonstrably do not answer questions directly. Shall I repost all the times you refused to explain how Fredo is a slur despite me asking you directly?

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Originally Posted by valade16

And you have not said that towns should not have confederate statues. (no, saying you don't support the people portrayed in them is not the same thing).

They are unacceptable in polite society.

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They should not have been built in the first place, but that society was far different than this one is. And yes, saying that I do not support the people portrayed in the statues is the same thing. The statue, itself, is inanimate and could have been anything. It could have been a deer, a bear, a fish or left alone to remain a rock. The sculptor decided what it was to become. The statues portray offensive people.
Stop supporting bigotry.

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Originally Posted by catman

They should not have been built in the first place, but that society was far different than this one is. And yes, saying that I do not support the people portrayed in the statues is the same thing. The statue, itself, is inanimate and could have been anything. It could have been a deer, a bear, a fish or left alone to remain a rock. The sculptor decided what it was to become. The statues portray offensive people.
Stop supporting bigotry.

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Saying "I don't support the people portrayed in the statues but I'm fine with them staying up if the city decides to keep it up" is not remotely the same thing as "I do not think the town should have confederate statues."


Why are you OK with those offensive things being up if they decide to do so but not using the word Fredo if someone decides to do so? You don't have a say in the matter either way. What's the difference?

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Originally Posted by natepro

I didn't say anything about statues.

You demonstrably do not answer questions directly. Shall I repost all the times you refused to explain how Fredo is a slur despite me asking you directly?

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I have answered that question with far more clarity than you ever answer a direct question I ask you. It took you over 7 pages to tell me when you felt an abortion was necessary. You had to go to google to determine your opinion on what a necessary abortion was.

Nate, just because you don't like an answer doesn't mean the answer wasn't there.
Now get back to work. You need to actually accomplish something other than spending time on an internet message board.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Saying "I don't support the people portrayed in the statues but I'm fine with them staying up if the city decides to keep it up" is not remotely the same thing as "I do not think the town should have confederate statues."


Why are you OK with those offensive things being up if they decide to do so but not using the word Fredo if someone decides to do so? You don't have a say in the matter either way. What's the difference?

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Did I say I was OK with them? I simply said that my opinion doesn't matter to the local authorities, who have the right to make the determination.
Stop defending bigotry.

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Originally Posted by catman

I have answered that question with far more clarity than you ever answer a direct question I ask you. It took you over 7 pages to tell me when you felt an abortion was necessary. You had to go to google to determine your opinion on what a necessary abortion was.

Nate, just because you don't like an answer doesn't mean the answer wasn't there.
Now get back to work. You need to actually accomplish something other than spending time on an internet message board.

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This isn't a thread about abortion; try to stay on topic.

It is an outright lie to say that there was an answer there; I'll be happy to post all of the your evasions of my direct questions as well, if you need a refresher.

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Originally Posted by catman

Did I say I was OK with them? I simply said that my opinion doesn't matter to the local authorities, who have the right to make the determination.
Stop defending bigotry.

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Are you OK with them? Do you think they should be taken down?

Your opinion doesn't matter to those who use the word Fredo, who have the right to use the word or not.

So why is it OK to have an opinion on one and not the other?

Have I said I am OK with them? If so, show me. For your edification (again) I do not support the people portrayed in the statues. The attitudes those people had toward blacks was abhorrent.
Stop supporting bigotry. It is not a good look.

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Originally Posted by catman

Have I said I am OK with them? If so, show me. For your edification (again) I do not support the people portrayed in the statues. The attitudes those people had toward blacks was abhorrent.
Stop supporting bigotry. It is not a good look.

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Are you OK with them? Do you think they should be taken down?

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Originally Posted by natepro

How would that be racism?

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Originally Posted by catman

I have no idea if she is Italian or not. To call someone a "Fredo" is just as racist as anything else that has been said on these boards.
Again, I do not think she is particularly bright, but there is no need for racist comments.

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Not an explanation, simply stating it as a fact.

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Originally Posted by natepro

Again: how would that be racist?

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Originally Posted by catman

The fact that you ask this is indicative of your racial understanding or lack thereof.
Complete and utter nonsense, Nate. Thank you for confirming your intellect to me.

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Not an explanation.

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Originally Posted by natepro

Okay.

But how is it racist?

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Originally Posted by catman

Do you, as a Black person from Chicago, not understand racism? Using slurs is not appropriate in any way, shape or form. Calling Marjorie Taylor Greene out for being less than stellar in intellect is a statement of fact. Calling her a racial slur is not.

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Not an explanation.

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Originally Posted by natepro

You just have no idea what a racial slur is.

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Originally Posted by catman

Nate, the fact that you say this tells me more about your character, or lack thereof. I did not need more evidence that you are a hypocrite than I already had, but your confirmation is good for the rest of the board.
You are nothing more than a troll.
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If I were to call someone "Sambo", even you might get the racist connotation.

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Not an explanation.

Which is these was one of your "answers with far more clarity than I ever answer a direct question with"?

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Originally Posted by natepro

This isn't a thread about abortion; try to stay on topic.

It is an outright lie to say that there was an answer there; I'll be happy to post all of the your evasions of my direct questions as well, if you need a refresher.

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I have answered your question on many occasions. Just for you, so you can actually get to work sometime tonight, I will answer again. To use a word that has obvious ethnic connotations to degrade someone is derogatory toward that ethnicity. The use of the term "F***o" to describe someone that is dumb is degrading to Italians, regardless of the 3 people you quoted. There was a time when blacks did not think that racial slurs were wrong, too.
Now that your misconception is once again corrected, stop lying about me.
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If you spent as much time doing something constructive as you do trying to support your claims (which always prove to be false), life would be a lot better for you. You are fighting a losing effort, as you always do. Everything you posted from me is clearer than anything you have ever tried to use as an answer to a question.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Are you OK with them? Do you think they should be taken down?

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Again, I am not OK with the people portrayed.
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In my opinion, they should be removed from public view.