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Except that isn't what was determined. Lie some more.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbroncos78087
Play not what words mean game some more.
Change definitions all you want. Play the mythical semantics game.
There was only one killed and it's debatable if she was murdered and she wasn't part of the police force. She was in fact unarmed.
pLaY nOt WhAt WoRdS mEaN gAmEQuote:
Originally Posted by brett05
If thinking this way helps you justify your support of murderers, then go for it. You gotta get your sleep at night too.Quote:
Originally Posted by brett05
Not supporting any murder. How's the investigation into the killing of Ashli Babbitt going? Oh wait, the unarmed Ashli case was not pursued. HuhQuote:
Originally Posted by nyyfan555
The investigation was completed last year. If your GQP overlords didn't report on it, then reconsider your news sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by brett05
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/d...-ashli-babbitt
Department of Justice Closes Investigation into the Death of Ashli Babbitt
WASHINGTON – The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia and the Civil Rights Division of the U.S. Department of Justice will not pursue criminal charges against the U.S. Capitol Police officer involved in the fatal shooting of 35-year-old Ashli*Babbitt, the Office announced today.
The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia’s Public Corruption and Civil Rights Section and the Civil Rights Division, with the Metropolitan Police Department’s Internal Affairs Division (IAD), conducted a thorough investigation of Ms. Babbitt’s shooting. Officials examined video footage posted on social media, statements from the officer involved and other officers and witnesses to the events, physical evidence from the scene of the shooting, and the results of an autopsy. Based on that investigation, officials determined that there is insufficient evidence to support a criminal prosecution. Officials from IAD informed a representative of Ms. Babbitt’s family today of this determination.
The investigation determined that, on January 6, 2021, Ms. Babbitt joined a crowd of people that gathered on the U.S. Capitol grounds to protest the results of the 2020 presidential election. Inside the Capitol building, a Joint Session of Congress, convened to certify the results of the Electoral College vote, was underway. Members of the crowd outside the building, which was closed to the public during the Joint Session, eventually forced their way into the Capitol building and past U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) officers attempting to maintain order. The Joint Session was stopped, and the USCP began evacuating members of Congress.
The investigation further determined that Ms. Babbitt was among a mob of people that entered the Capitol building and gained access to a hallway outside “Speaker’s Lobby,” which leads to the Chamber of the U.S. House of Representatives. At the time, the USCP was evacuating Members from the Chamber, which the mob was trying to enter from multiple doorways. USCP officers used furniture to barricade a set of glass doors separating the hallway and Speaker’s Lobby to try and stop the mob from entering the Speaker’s Lobby and the Chamber, and three officers positioned themselves between the doors and the mob. Members of the mob attempted to break through the doors by striking them and breaking the glass with their hands, flagpoles, helmets, and other objects. Eventually, the three USCP officers positioned outside the doors were forced to evacuate. As*members of the mob continued to strike the glass doors, Ms. Babbitt attempted to climb through one of the doors where glass was broken out. An officer inside the Speaker’s Lobby fired one round from his service pistol, striking Ms. Babbitt in the left shoulder, causing her to fall back from the doorway and onto the floor. A USCP emergency response team, which had begun making its way into the hallway to try and subdue the mob, administered aid to Ms. Babbitt, who was transported to Washington Hospital Center, where she succumbed to her injuries.
The focus of the criminal investigation was to determine whether federal prosecutors could prove that the officer violated any federal laws, concentrating on the possible application of 18 U.S.C. § 242, a federal criminal civil rights statute. In order to establish a violation of this statute, prosecutors must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the officer acted willfully to deprive Ms. Babbitt of a right protected by the Constitution or other law, here the Fourth Amendment right not to be subjected to an unreasonable seizure. Prosecutors would have to prove not only that the officer used force that was constitutionally unreasonable, but that the officer did so “willfully,” which the Supreme Court has interpreted to mean that the officer acted with a bad purpose to disregard the law. As this requirement has been interpreted by the courts, evidence that an officer acted out of fear, mistake, panic, misperception, negligence, or even poor judgment cannot establish the high level of intent required under Section 242.
The investigation revealed no evidence to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that the officer willfully committed a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 242. Specifically, the investigation revealed no evidence to establish that, at the time the officer fired a single shot at Ms. Babbitt, the officer did not reasonably believe that it was necessary to do so in self-defense or in defense of the Members of Congress and others evacuating the House Chamber. Acknowledging the tragic loss of life and offering condolences to Ms. Babbitt’s family, the U.S. Attorney’s Office and U.S. Department of Justice have therefore closed the investigation into this matter.
Her death was a tragic waste of life. She could have lived a full and healthy life and contributed meaningfully to society. Instead, she chose to listen to liars and break laws. She was a criminal and suffered a terrible end. It's a shame that the previous administration won't take partial responsibility for her death given that they fed her lie after lie. But then again, we can't expect that type of compassion from a group of people who so blatantly lied about "election fraud" in the first place.
Please stop using her life as some example of wrong doing by anyone other than the former president and his supporters in and out of Washington.
I can't imagine people still arguing Babbitt's death being a murder. The woman clearly trespassed into prohibited territory with a mob of people behind her despite numerous warnings from an armed officer not to.
She's a perfect example of a Trump cultist who ****ed around and found out. If she had not been indoctrinated in Trump's ********, she would have still been alive today.
It is almost sad how damn dumb you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by brett05
Oh she is their martyr.Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
It's yet another example of GQP hypocrisy. To them, all those gangsters they think are creating a wave of crime in cities should be held responsible for their actions, but Babbitt should have been allowed to push through that door and carry out all the threats she and the rest of the terrorists kept screaming.
Its capitol police's job to protect the politicians and staffers who work in the building and they were severely outnumbered. She was in the armed forces. Go try to trespass onto an army or naval base with a crazy mob behind you and see how that ends.Quote:
Originally Posted by nyyfan555
It makes sense that brett would believe her death was a murder similar to how he thinks most abortion is murder. Maybe its just because he has no idea what the term "murder" actually is.
It seems that republicans just don't have the ability to think for themselves. We hear these talking points about Babbitt on right wing propaganda networks all the time. So to see brett posting that isn't surprising.Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
Those terrorists (and their supporters watching from a distance) really believed that all these people could break into a government building, beat up law enforcement, attempt to take over the government, and face zero consequences. They feel like they were totally justified. They see themselves similarly to the civil rights protestors of 60 years ago. They think they're fighting for freedom and fairness. They are completely oblivious to the fact that they are fighting for a crybaby who couldn't accept losing. That's their cause.
Most of the people that argued it have since been perma banned. Catman may be the last person remaining that wanted them to be able to get to the members of congress trapped on the floor of the House.Quote:
Originally Posted by metswon69
Ms Babbitt was committing a crime when she was shot. She was not, however, a danger to the congressional delegation. As I showed you, there are multiple exits from the chambers and they were utilized to take the delegation to safety.
Ms Babbitt deserved to be arrested for her actions.
Edit:
Do you really want to rehash this? It did not end well for you before, as you cannot explain why the 3 officers guarding the door/windows abandoned their post without being relieved. No attempt to breech the windows was made prior to them leaving their post unguarded.
How do they know that she was unarmed? She was breaking glass and attempting to climb through the window…if she gets through, what about the other 50-100 people that were right behind her? Isn’t it fair to assume that if she succeeded in getting through without being shot, that they would have start rushing through as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by catman
She was a casualty that happened and while we could argue whether or not shooting her was the right move, it definitely instilled some reality into the situation and as a result, a lot of that angry mob had quelled a bit.
Do you think one man could’ve possibly arrested her?
Can you remind me of your posts in the Kyle Rittenhouse thread? My memory is pretty fuzzy…do you believe he’s a murderer too?Quote:
Originally Posted by brett05
Oh while we’re at it, what about the US Military and say, any casualties that happened in any of their planned raids? Or a lot of police shooting unarmed civilians that we have all discussed constantly over the years?
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