The Cult of Trump

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Originally Posted by valade16

What is your definition of many? 5?

Also, you misunderstand if you think the reason believe it’s a big deal is because we were concerned for the politicians. It’s because they attempted to stop the Democratic process for selecting the President.

But let me ask you, when we’re you exposed to a far worse situation than that?

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They tried to hunt down Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi, and anyone else who they saw as a threat to keeping Trump in power despite what the people and electoral college electors said.

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Originally Posted by valade16

The lengths people go to downplay Jan. 6th is always astounding.

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why is it bad to use January 6th compared to other rioting?

January 6th is nothing compared to other rioting and violence in America.

that doesn't mean it was okay or the people that were rioting shouldn't be held accountable. but people obsess over January 6th as it was the worst rioting in America. reality, it wasn't.

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Originally Posted by OceanSpray

The length people are willing to go to act like Jan 6th. was a massive invasion in which many people died is always astounding. A very small group of people stormed the building and the only reason it matters is because 'politicians' were at risk. Yet, everyday people are exposed to far worse in their daily life and no one cares. Buildings get burned, "it's okay, guys. Keep fighting in the streets. They aren't riots, we're protesting." Capitol Hill gets stormed by a small group of people = "wow, poor politicians. Oh my Goodness, bless their souls."

It was a disgrace that it happened. That doesn't mean people of one side aren't using it as ammunition to indicate that Trump caused it.

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He did cause it.

He told them to be there on Jan 6. He told them where to go on Jan 6.

Here’s an interesting question. Suppose Pence had decided to do what Trump said and refused to certify the electoral votes and declared Trump the President.

Do you think Trump would have used this to stay in power? Do you think Republicans and Republican officials would have gone along and declared Trump the rightful President? Would you have?

Short answer -- No. Biden won the election fairly.

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Originally Posted by catman

Short answer -- No. Biden won the election fairly.

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The Supreme Court would have almost certainly deferred to Trump.

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Originally Posted by valade16

What is your definition of many? 5?

Also, you misunderstand if you think the reason believe it’s a big deal is because we were concerned for the politicians. It’s because they attempted to stop the Democratic process for selecting the President.

But let me ask you, when we’re you exposed to a far worse situation than that?

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So you're telling me people weren't dealing with riots out in the streets with cars burning, buildings burning, people getting shot, and an entire area occupied in Seattle with someone who carried firearms and attacked people? That's not dangerous to civilians who live in those areas and had to experience that?

'Attempted.' It was a small group of punks. Do you really think they were capable of stopping anything? I mean, Jesus Christ, I'm sure you've seen far more horrible **** in the military than this but I'm supposed to act like this was a mass scale invasion that put America in jeopardy? What reaction do you want? It happened, those who stormed it should be held accountable, end of story. We don't need a history book on this.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Here’s an interesting question. Suppose Pence had decided to do what Trump said and refused to certify the electoral votes and declared Trump the President.

Do you think Trump would have used this to stay in power? Do you think Republicans and Republican officials would have gone along and declared Trump the rightful President? Would you have?

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I never agreed with Trump's stance that it was rigged to begin with so trying to turn this into a hypothetical doesn't do anything for me here. Furthermore, Trump wasn't even my choice for president in the 2020 election. I just preferred him to Biden.

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Originally Posted by OceanSpray

So you're telling me people weren't dealing with riots out in the streets with cars burning, buildings burning, people getting shot, and an entire area occupied in Seattle with someone who carried firearms and attacked people? That's not dangerous to civilians who live in those areas and had to experience that?

'Attempted.' It was a small group of punks. Do you really think they were capable of stopping anything? I mean, Jesus Christ, I'm sure you've seen far more horrible **** in the military than this but I'm supposed to act like this was a mass scale invasion that put America in jeopardy? What reaction do you want? It happened, those who stormed it should be held accountable, end of story. We don't need a history book on this.

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We’re you in Seattle when that happened?

Again, what is your definition of small? There were hundreds, enough to overwhelm the security of the building.

I’ve never seen anything like that happen on US soil. People charging the Capitol to keep a guy in power is what happens in 3rd world countries, not the leader of the free world.

It happened and we should not forget that it happened, especially not a mere 4 months after it happened.

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Originally Posted by OceanSpray

I never agreed with Trump's stance that it was rigged to begin with so trying to turn this into a hypothetical doesn't do anything for me here. Furthermore, Trump wasn't even my choice for president in the 2020 election. I just preferred him to Biden.

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Only one part if it asked about you specifically. Do you think Republicans would have gone along with Trump? Do you think Trump would have used that to stay in the White House?

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Originally Posted by valade16

We’re you in Seattle when that happened?

Again, what is your definition of small? There were hundreds, enough to overwhelm the security of the building.

I’ve never seen anything like that happen on US soil. People charging the Capitol to keep a guy in power is what happens in 3rd world countries, not the leader of the free world.

It happened and we should not forget that it happened, especially not a mere 4 months after it happened.

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Do I have to be in Seattle to see the **** that happened there? Is this the stance you want to push here? You're more intelligent than that so why play that card? Were you in the George Floyd altercation? Hmm, guess you can't have an opinion on it.

Thousands of people showed up. The wide majority of people there did not participate in those clownish antics. It's like blaming protestors for the riots created by the very small minority. Many of the people who did storm the Capitol weren't violent. They just got in and followed the rest of the crowd. There were only a very few people of that group who ended causing mischief and some were White Supremacist members on a terrorist list that were up to no good to begin with.

It was a bad day, period. Not once did I defend it. It's just not some life changing event as compared to someone witnessing their streets being burned down right in front of their home.

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Originally Posted by dbroncos78087

The Supreme Court would have almost certainly deferred to Trump.

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I really doubt it. They are put on the court to uphold the law, as opposed to make it.

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Originally Posted by valade16

Only one part if it asked about you specifically. Do you think Republicans would have gone along with Trump? Do you think Trump would have used that to stay in the White House?

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I think Trump would take any legal approach to stay president as long as it took and I think Republicans did feel there were irregularities in the election and thus, believed it was a false election. Again, this hypothetical scenario you are trying to place on me to get an imaginative response is pretty bizarre to me. I don't give a F. I think Republicans dropped the ball on the election fraud issue and Trump would have done much better for his 2024 odds if he gracefully conceded. All this other stuff you're asking me is just random as hell designed to generate some GOTCHA response.

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Originally Posted by OceanSpray

The length people are willing to go to act like Jan 6th. was a massive invasion in which many people died is always astounding. A very small group of people stormed the building and the only reason it matters is because 'politicians' were at risk. Yet, everyday people are exposed to far worse in their daily life and no one cares. Buildings get burned, "it's okay, guys. Keep fighting in the streets. They aren't riots, we're protesting." Capitol Hill gets stormed by a small group of people = "wow, poor politicians. Oh my Goodness, bless their souls."

It was a disgrace that it happened. That doesn't mean people of one side aren't using it as ammunition to indicate that Trump caused it.

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Way to downplay it even further. :laugh2:

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Originally Posted by OceanSpray

Do I have to be in Seattle to see the **** that happened there? Is this the stance you want to push here? You're more intelligent than that so why play that card? Were you in the George Floyd altercation? Hmm, guess you can't have an opinion on it.

Thousands of people showed up. The wide majority of people there did not participate in those clownish antics. It's like blaming protestors for the riots created by the very small minority. Many of the people who did storm the Capitol weren't violent. They just got in and followed the rest of the crowd. There were only a very few people of that group who ended causing mischief and some were White Supremacist members on a terrorist list that were up to no good to begin with.

It was a bad day, period. Not once did I defend it. It's just not some life changing event as compared to someone witnessing their streets being burned down right in front of their home.

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You said people experience worse in their daily lives. Then you say someone witnessing their streets being burned down right in front of their home.

Yet at the top you’re arguing you don’t have to be there. So which is it? You’re far too intelligent to be arguing opposing points like you are, so pick one.


Also, it is very interesting you are trying to trivialize the severity of Jan. 6th and in doing so are wildly exaggerating what happened in Seattle. I live near Seattle, it was not the war zone you are making it out to be.